#1
I tried posting this in another non-guitar forum in their music thread but it got flamed to high-hell and ended up being closed. So I figured I'd post it here since I know there are a lot more people here that know what they are talking about.

I just picked up this new guitar a few days ago for only $175. There isn't a mark on it. Before I bought it I did a lot of research since I've never heard of "Samick" before and I found this website. I was intrigued by the fact that specific details about this guitar were nowhere to be found other than that website. So I decided to find out for myself. I must have emailed and called at least half a dozen people at Samick. After a few days I was put in touch with a gentleman on the phone that was able to confirm everything in the above link. He's working on getting me actual paperwork showing the year of production and to confirm 100% everything I found out.

Anyways, here are the pictures.






The following pictures are the George Lynch model that used the design from this Samick Original.



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#3
Ive heard of Samick plenty, dont know much except that they are fairly cheap.
but for 175 id say its a steal.
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#5
It's supposed to have an Original Floyd Rose, but that trem say's it's an LFR.

Edit:
It's a later model than the ones that site is talking about.
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#7
Why were you flamed? It seems like a fairly good guitar. What wood is it? What pickups? I can't open the link, firefox won't load it
#8
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Why were you flamed? It seems like a fairly good guitar. What wood is it? What pickups? I can't open the link, firefox won't load it


http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2538692

There's the link so you can read what they were saying.

It's an Alder body with a maple neck and a rosewood fretboard. The pickups are Duncan Designed. That's all I know so far.
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#9
Samick is a good brand; they make a whole bunch of other companies' guitars, so for an actual Samick Greg Bennett, you get much more guitar for your money.
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#11
Is that a paint ball forum? Half those guys never even heard of samick. Does the guitar play good? If it does then awesome. And look at that guys babies lol, cheap strat copy, cheap b.c. rich, with some kind of acoustic.

Thread starter, If you like the feel and sound of the guitar then that's all you need. You shouldn't give a **** about the logo on the headstock
#12
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Is that a paint ball forum? Half those guys never even heard of samick. Does the guitar play good? If it does then awesome. And look at that guys babies lol, cheap strat copy, cheap b.c. rich, with some kind of acoustic.

Thread starter, If you like the feel and sound of the guitar then that's all you need. You shouldn't give a **** about the logo on the headstock


Yeah, it's a paintball forum. Long story about that, rather not get into it here.

As far as I can tell so far it plays well. I will know for sure 100% this weekend just how well it plays when the wife leaves with the kids

I don't care at all what's on the headstock. I've just found myself having to defend my decision to people that have never heard of Samick. Which is why i posted here. i thought there might be something that I didn't know about the guitar or the company but it turns out that all the naysayers are just uneducated; which makes me feel a lot better.
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#13
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Yeah, it's a paintball forum. Long story about that, rather not get into it here.

As far as I can tell so far it plays well. I will know for sure 100% this weekend just how well it plays when the wife leaves with the kids

I don't care at all what's on the headstock. I've just found myself having to defend my decision to people that have never heard of Samick. Which is why i posted here. i thought there might be something that I didn't know about the guitar or the company but it turns out that all the naysayers are just uneducated; which makes me feel a lot better.



You should go on an insane psycho rampage, and kill all those flamers with a paint ball gun. Don't do that...

Anyways If you like it, then that's all there is to it. You are the one playing the guitar, If you like the paint job/feel/sound of it, then the guitar is perfect.

Oh yeah I really like the body of the guitar, its like the S series only a bit thicker. and the pickups are pretty cool. Nice job man
#14
Samick makes some great instruments. They are very underrated.

That guitar looks great. Reminds me of the ESP George Lynch sigs.
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You should go on an insane psycho rampage, and kill all those flamers with a paint ball gun. Don't do that...

Anyways If you like it, then that's all there is to it. You are the one playing the guitar, If you like the paint job/feel/sound of it, then the guitar is perfect.

Oh yeah I really like the body of the guitar, its like the S series only a bit thicker. and the pickups are pretty cool. Nice job man


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Samick makes some great instruments. They are very underrated.

That guitar looks great. Reminds me of the ESP George Lynch sigs.


That's what i thought it was at first. Which is why I was shocked when I saw the seller was only asking $175. If you haven't read the link int he first post, it explains it all. Similarities, etc.
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#16
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Samick makes some great instruments. They are very underrated.

That guitar looks great. Reminds me of the ESP George Lynch sigs.



I thought that it IS one of them sigs, only a samick version or something, I can't load the first link but I'll keep trying
#17
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I thought that it IS one of them sigs, only a samick version or something, I can't load the first link but I'll keep trying


Hmmm... I'm not sure why it won't open for you. I'll copy and paste the text from the website and I'll get a pic of the george lynch model for you to compare.

As told by Rick Clapper, the Samick Piano Co. was established in Korea in 1958 and, by January of 1960 they had started to produce upright pianos, and within four years became the first Korean piano exporter. One year later, in 1965, they started to produce guitars, and by the early 1970s expanded again to produce grand pianos and harmonicas as well. In 1973, the company incorporated as the Samick Musical Instruments Manufacturing Company, in order to reflect the diversity it encompassed. Unstoppable, Samick continued to expand into guitar production opening a branch in Los Angeles, USA in 1978, a brand new guitar factory in 1979, and a branch office in West Germany in 1980. Throughout the 1980s, Samick continued to grow, prosper and win several awards for quality products and productivity. The Samick Products Company was established in 1986 as an affiliate producer of other musical products, and was listed on the Korean Stock Exchange in September 1988. During the 1990s, it acquired Valley Arts, an American guitar company known for its one-of-a-kind instruments and custom guitars and whom together also developed, among other innovations, the "Articu-Fret", a crowning process for fretting guitars which contributes to precision in intonation and the "Scarf-Joint", an specially designed rear scoop for easier upper fret access. This merger stabilized Valley Arts as the custom shop wing of Samick, as well as supplying Samick with quality American designed guitars' reputation. Samick constantly continues to expand their line of guitar models through the use of innovative designs, partnerships with high exposure endorsees (like Blues Saraceno and Ray Benson) and new projects such as the Robert Johnson Commemorative and the D'Leco Charlie Christian Commemorative guitars. Samick distributes their guitar lines into the US market by the Samick Music Corporation, located at 18521 City of Industry, California.
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Came to no surprise that the Samick Music Corporation, with homebase in Korea, had been acknowledged (as from 1965) by reputed American and Japanese manufacturers (Samick's "phantom building" list of customers includes ESP, Washburn, Schecter, Westone, Ibanez and countless others) as the most capable Asian guitar builder and they have turn to Samick, during many years, to outsource the manufacturing of their own lines, thus converting Samick in the world's largest guitar maker during past decades. By way of example, the Samick corporation made 50% of the total aggregate number of manufactured guitars, worldwide, in 1997. From there, this corporation yearly produces over a million guitars every year under their own or third party brands, as noted. That fact alone makes sense when you approach to a Samick guitar and check on its quality. Why not go to where guitar makers go to? After all, you'll be owning the "original" make, hopefully for less money, since this kind of industrial productivity monstrously impact on manufacturing costs, being therefore Samick able to offer reasonable high quality for reduced prices to a global market, political and economic considerations aside (Yeah Ed, this is supposed to be a page on electric guitars, not on political propaganda).
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From there, a few problems arose: To start with, determining which model is this one out from those three and from there, to establish beyond reasonable doubt if this was a prototype or a production model. Luckily for me, both answers were provided by friend Richard Weiss, who posed these queries to the Samick Music Corp [info@samickmusicusa.com] himself last Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:32 PM. Here's their answer from the manufacturer: "Hello Richard, It has been a while since I've seen one of these guitars. It was last made in the late 80's. This model is called the viper model # KR-564gpsk It has a solid alder arch top, maple neck with rosewood fretboard, locking nut, 2 single coil and 1 humbucker pick-up and the viper graphics. There was approximately 2500 units sold. I saw one sell on E-bay for 600.00 about 2 years ago...". Once having that established, I confirmed my ideas that the KR564 GPSK Viper was made in the mid to late 80's and was the first commercial guitar (not prototype! that came as a surprise!) to feature the infamous "Skulls & Snakes motif", which latter became trademark of Dokken's and Lynch Mob's heavy metal extraordinaire George Lynch. Notwithstanding, onto this guitar these custom graphics are not just painted, but CARVED and painted instead. I've got to admit that is indeed surprising to find this kind of craft on any guitar today, regardless of price range. As far as I can tell, this job was not done using fillers, epoxy or special painting or profiling materials, but true painstaking hand (or at most carefully machine) carving instead, chiseling relevant details on the graphic pattern, creating 3D trimmings and profiling contours (e.g. sword's grips and blades, snake's rings, eyes, fangs and rattles, saliva drops, inter alia) that greatly enhance the motif itself. During the same period, Samick also offered this kind of craftsmanship to third parties, as could be appreciated, for example, in the Westone Spectrum ST Double Neck and some others.
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As you can see for yourself from these pictures, the graphic motif on both the ESP and the Samick are virtually identical, including each and every minor detail, exception made by the eye balls on the front skull [which shouldn't have anyway -after all if is dead dontyathink? ]. As you would also appreciate on this very same page, ESP models are even not consistent with one another, since the overall quality of the graphics on the custom shop models of this very same guitar (the George Lynch Series "Skulls'n'Snakes) vary substantially. Please also consider that when we refer to the "ESP" guitar on this page, we're not exactly talking about George Lynch's own model, since some differences do exist between Lynch's own instrument and the one nowadays offered by ESP. To start with (and as easily notable from, say, covers of popular guitar magazines such as Young Guitars (January 1995 Japanese issue); Guitar for the Practicing Musician (May 1990 US issue) or Guitar World (November 1990 US issue) George's guitar has a headstock almost identical to the one featured on the "Serpent" model, but not reversed; has regular abalone "dot" inlayed fretboard (yeah, no "Skulls & Swords") and pickups are custom wounded Seymour Duncans. It wouldn't be shocking to discover that body wood is not Alder either (Maple?), but at George's usual stage levels, that's hard to assess anyway.


Is indeed obvious to me that, by the time Samick got to replicate this labour for the first 2,500 USD ESP "Skulls and Snakes" George Lynch models, the craft borrowed heavily from this original model, but at that point lots of "luxuries" were eliminated: The sleek, sensually contoured body (which strongly reminds me of an Ibanez "S" model yet slightly thicker, but way thinner than the ESP model anyway) was replaced by a plain, flat, standard Strat shape; all the hand carved graphic enhancements disappeared, being the theme now just painted onto the body, 24 frets became 22, birdseye maple on neck was just replaced by plain maple, and binding was gone forever.
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#21
WOW for 150 you got than, nice job man. I repeat if it feels right then its all good. You are a lucky man.
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On the other side, fingerboard inlay became more complex, and the middle pickup was removed along with the 5 way switch and two pots, further enhancing the presence of the graphics on the guitar (as you'll easily note, then the "eye balls" on the front skull were introduced, something impossible in the previous KR645 GPS due to space requirements). Guess we'll never know what George Lynch initially thought or ordered, but aside of being a thunderous instrument (statement equally true for the ESP) this guitar features impeccable craftsmanship and high end details, something that truly presents a differen

One way or the other, the Samick Viper KR-564 rips as a lead guitar. Being extremely aggresive (something you would certainly expect by its looks), this guitar is perfect for fingerboard acrobatics and rock leads. If that wasn't enough, is also an extremely comfortable player, weighless and sleek. The original pickup (some Seymour Duncan poplar model, presumably a JB) will keep most players satisfied for life, and the 3 humbucker (although Samick remebered this instrument as H/S/S, the top and middle pickups are 4 conductor single coil sized humbuckers), 5 way selector renders this scary thing into a versatile rock instrument (that means lots of sounds for a limited array of styles). Since this page covered both the ESP and Samick instruments, please see the comparison chart below to refine your choice:



you need to be able to open the link to see the differences in the chart at the end.
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#23
The first post has been updated with pictures of the george lynch model for comparison.


Note: sorry about the multiple postings. IE kept closing down when i tried to copy and paste it all at once.
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#24
Paid $300 for mine about 10 years ago used. saw...had to have it. That thing was in the window for all of a couple hours. Found the gunther moose article last week but just found out today what mine was....kinda lol still not much info on mine. Oh and I swapped the bridge pickup for an emg h4...sounds badass!
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#25
yeah they are a bunch yahoos over there at pbnation, im a baller too. i like your axe, dont know squat about samick other than what i just read here. but cool graphics, takes me back to the eighties man, big hair, and lots bandanas.
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#26
I'm a baller too, hell my whole band is. What kind of marker do you have. WGP autococker here. Thing is sweet!
#28
There was another dude that had one of those. I found all kinds of stuff on it. If its the same one that he had then you found a nice guitar for nothing. I can't be assed to look up all that **** again though.
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