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#1
Ok,

I have just tuned my Epi LP to Eb, to play along with some G n R and some Van Halen. I haven't done this for a long time, but already i'm luvin it. I find i have a better tone and control over the guitar, plus i've become alot more creative, e.g. chords just sound nicer and riffs play better etc...

So, is it cheating? I can play well in standard tuning, its just Eb feels a little better.....
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#2
quite alot of guitarists use that technique, im not sure about van halen, but i know slash tunes his guitar half a step down for alot of songs, so i wouldnt be surprised that you found it nicer to play GnR with.

and no its not cheating, you should play how you feel comfortable playing
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#4
the strings are slacker so bends and vibrato etc are easier, i suppose it is to an extent, but its not a competition, so its impossible to cheat at guitar, if you like it, awesome
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#5
No tuning is cheating(yes, even dropped D isn't cheating). Eb is just standard tuned down 1/2 step. I keep my strat in Eb, my LP I have in E and my SG I have in D standard, all for different reasons.
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#6
Van Halen, Guns N' Roses are always half step. I'm pretty sure Slayer always is and Pantera would tune down even lower. There's really no such thing as cheating on a guitar unless you use a billion effects and half to mix it like crazy when recording.
#8
SRV tuned down to Eb also (well, he had thick strings).
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#9
Cool.

Now i'll just have to convince the bassist and pianist to play in Eb.

PS. its easy for the pianist, he just presses the traspose button and its done.
The bassist....i'm so sure if he'll think its worth the hassle

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#10
...why would it be cheating? it rather difficult to cheat in music you know

well, Paris Hilton is defeniatly cheating, but that's off topic
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#11
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Cool.

Now i'll just have to convince the bassist and pianist to play in Eb.

PS. its easy for the pianist, he just presses the traspose button and its done.
The bassist....i'm so sure if he'll think its worth the hassle

Cheers


Now that's cheating for the pianist.
#12
why would it be cheating?

you can get extra light gauge strings so that vibrato and bending is easier while having the guitar in standard tuning.

Eb just makes everything a semitone lower which can make life easier for the singer. which is why a lot of bands play lower live.
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#13
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...why would it be cheating? it rather difficult to cheat in music you know


Tell that to Lil' Jon.
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#14
Kinda.. I thought slipknot's stuff was impossible to play, and then I learned to down tune, all their stuff is piss easy. Not saying Slipknot are bad because of it, I love their music.
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#16
is buying a high end guitar and boutique tube amplifier cheating at getting good tone? last time i checked, no. its pretty hard to find a 'cheat' at guitar, do what you want.
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#19
There's no such thing as "cheating" when it comes to music; there's only technique.
#20
Dude...If u call that cheating...I am the biggest cheater alive. I love drop tuning. It sounds more evil too!
#21
haha, i tune down to Eb, and so do many other guitarists, its just less tension, hows that cheating...
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#22
It's not cheating in any way. Some guitarists (myself included) just like the way it sounds better, some also tune down to fit the singers vocal range and some do it so the string tension isn't that hard.
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#23
plus you can always capo at the first fret to get back to standard tuning
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#24
Has anyone really cheated at guitar?
I mean theres only 1 true way to do that and
thats to have fake recording or to use a looper by itself on stage
dont do that
The fact of the matter is Tuning a guitar aint cheating
i put my guitar in d standard allways
If u wanna tune ur guitar down its your choise
#25
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Has anyone really cheated at guitar?
I mean theres only 1 true way to do that and
thats to have fake recording or to use a looper by itself on stage
dont do that
The fact of the matter is Tuning a guitar aint cheating
i put my guitar in d standard allways
If u wanna tune ur guitar down its your choise

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#26
Sweet. I'm gonna try that!
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#28
its not cheating, its simply a different tuning.

i experimented with many string sizes and tunings before settling on Ernie Ball custom 9's and Eb, and i've never looked back
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#29
i tune one of my electrics down a half step too

my acoustic is a full step down

it aint cheatin if it feels good!
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#32
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And Kiss is always half step (make-up years).

Hey you!
Theres an edit button for a reason!

Also: i really feel more at home with my electric tuned to E and my acoustic to D
If only i had a LP to tune 1/2 down!
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#33
No, it is not cheating and not as cheating as drop-D

I rekon you can get some awesome tones out of it
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#34
You could put something like a wristband around the nut to mute the strings when they're accidentally hit. This is a good studio trick, live I would call it cheating.

Using too much gain to the point where the guitar plays itself could be considered cheating. You're really cheating yourself though by making it too easy and it covers up the mistakes.


I consider myself cheating when I use Big Stubbies, or Stubby pics instead of jazz IIIs.
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#35
Weezer features a bunch of songs in Eb on Blue I believe...possibly other albums too. Why would it be cheating? It's no different from tuning to Drop D for instant power chords. If it sounds good, who cares?
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#36
so jimi hendrix is a cheater?
lol nahh its not cheating how is it cheating. there r notes in eb u cant achieve in e standard. like an eb haha
#37
You still have to have technique and know how to play the instrument...

No matter what tuning you use
#38
I have two guitars at the moment. if you think you are a cheat then I should be banned from the shops. I keep on in C tuning and one in D tuning. I love playing in Drop C aswell. sounds really deep. I think down tuning is more for the singer. it's easier on the vocal chords the lower you go. My band currently play in B but I'm trying to get them to meet me in the world of C or D
#39
The main reason i was thinking it could be cheating is because its making things easier....e.g. vibrato, bends, legato.....

But i like it and i find there is a nicer tone as the strings maybe are less tense and vibrate more...so theres more vibration for the pickup to pickup
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#40
anyone who thinks there is such a thing as 'cheating' at guitar is a complete and utter moron.
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