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damn, that's a sweet score if it sounds any decent
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If I'm not mistaken that is an epi valve jr.
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#4
Woah, what is that? I've never one like it before. I don't think it's any of the Epiphone Valve series, it has both an effects loop and headphone out(!). That one looks to be pretty interesting.

EDIT: Oh, also line out, I don't remember that from any of the Valve series either.
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Quote by Kevin Saale
If I'm not mistaken that is an epi valve jr.


you're mistaken

VJ is 5 watts, only has a volume control, and is not that amp

seems a good deal. i played one of their halfstacks, it was nice
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#8
heh, I just noticed, take a look at the last picture, the one showing the inputs/outputs at the back.

Is it just me, or does it not say "Power Consumption 30 W"?
#9
well their valve junior copy certainly didnt have any problems yet it is the cheapest of the copies in europe. harley benton is thomann's own company so there is no price being added from manufacturer to marketer deals & such.

a power consumption of 30 watts is a good figure. a lot of 15watt push pull amps drain more(my lc15 takes 50 watts for example) and single ended amps are even less efficient( valve junior has a consumption of 35 watts)
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Quote by whoismilan
heh, I just noticed, take a look at the last picture, the one showing the inputs/outputs at the back.

Is it just me, or does it not say "Power Consumption 30 W"?


i'll not explain this fully, BUT, valve amps can push waaay more watts than they are labelled, but the RMS is lower or something

im sure i heard something along the lines of 5 watt tube amp....yatta yatta.....90 watts....yatta yatta......or something

....im tired =(
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#11
Jesus christ! My crappy MG15DFX cost more than that! (well would have but I haggled) Even without playing this I can see myself recommending to beginners in future.
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i'll not explain this fully, BUT, valve amps can push waaay more watts than they are labelled, but the RMS is lower or something

im sure i heard something along the lines of 5 watt tube amp....yatta yatta.....90 watts....yatta yatta......or something

....im tired =(

Whoops, I'm a dumbass, power consumption is not what it can push to the speakers. I blame that it's late at night and I need to go to sleep.
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Whoops, I'm a dumbass, power consumption is not what it can push to the speakers. I blame that it's late at night and I need to go to sleep.


i blame that for my crappy description
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#15
they dont sell that **** in the US do they? id sell my vj halfstack for that...
damn...
that whole brand looks killer.
anyone know if they sell em in the US
/probably not
#16
Harley Benton are actually made in the same factory as the VJ. I'm kind of surprised that Epi hasn't done this yet. That amp would sell like crazy.
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Quote by stevo_epi_SG_wo
i'll not explain this fully, BUT, valve amps can push waaay more watts than they are labelled, but the RMS is lower or something

im sure i heard something along the lines of 5 watt tube amp....yatta yatta.....90 watts....yatta yatta......or something

....im tired =(


Ummm. No. A 5 watter can't push 90 watts. Otherwise, we'd be sticking to EL84's.

That's how much it takes from the wall outlet. Lots of it is dissipated and lost as heat energy along the way. The efficiency of an amp is very low, 100 watt amps usually take in 300-400 watts, yet they can only output 100 RMS.

By the way, Harley benton, Grainger, Legacy, and Epiphone get all their amps from the same factory, they just relabel it. The one in TS' post is just a Valve Standard like epiphone has.

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Harley Benton are actually made in the same factory as the VJ. I'm kind of surprised that Epi hasn't done this yet. That amp would sell like crazy.



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Have you ever HEARD a tube amp through headphones? The only thing in there is the preamp section, not the power section. Even then, it sounds like crap.
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If I'm not mistaken that is an epi valve jr.

no its a valve standard copy. now we need a blues custom copy
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#23
Did I say that the headphones would sound as good? Quit assuming things asshat. But it IS a great feature for quiet practice.

You were wrong, and shown you were wrong, so you got all huffy.

That HB is a much better amp than the Valve Standard for the simple fact that it has an actual effects loop instead of dsp effects, and that you can practice quietly.
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Did I say that the headphones would sound as good? Quit assuming things asshat. But it IS a great feature for quiet practice.

You were wrong, and shown you were wrong, so you got all huffy.

That HB is a much better amp than the Valve Standard for the simple fact that it has an actual effects loop instead of dsp effects, and that you can practice quietly.


If it sounds like crap, it's not a feature that's needed.

For the same price, you could get a cube with all the same features for quiet practice.

I guess capitals hurt your feelings. I just put it in caps for emphasis.
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Has anyone played one? If it's anything like the HB guitar I have it'll hurt your ears to play...
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they dont sell that **** in the US do they? id sell my vj halfstack for that...
damn...
that whole brand looks killer.
anyone know if they sell em in the US
/probably not





$300 usd. is that, that far off from the TSs amp?

after doing the conversion his would be about $230, so it's about right.
i believe the speaker is bigger and more options.
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If it sounds like crap, it's not a feature that's needed.

For the same price, you could get a cube with all the same features for quiet practice.

I guess capitals hurt your feelings. I just put it in caps for emphasis.


And a Cube has all that great tube tone doesn't it? A 15w Tube amp is one that is capable of gigging. The headphone out doesn't have to be the best, it isn't for anyone to hear but the person practicing. It's much better than practicing unplugged. Plugged in you hear mistakes you don't hear if your guitar isn't plugged in.

To jj:

Yes that amp is fairly different. the TS amp has an effects loop instead of crap dsp effects. It also has quiet practice ability.
#28
^i think what he's saying is, you dont buy a tube amp especially a 15 W tube amp for its headphones.

you most people who buy a tube amp already have a practice amp for umm, bedroom/headphone practice.

edit: ok i just read ur edit. i guess there are headphones. but i dont know, if they are all made in the same place anyway...

ive never had problems putting my pedals in front of my epi, but an effects loop would be nice.
and im guess the dsp could be turned off, i dont know im just trying to find an amp close to answer his question.
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#31
is this a copy of the blackheart handsome devil, or the epi valve standard?
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#32
the Blackhearts, Epi Valve Series, and Harley Bentons are all made in the same factory afaik,
#33
I thought HBs were in effect rebranded Epi. Blackhearts are from Crate.

Looks like the Epi Valve Standard minus the DSP portion.
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$300 usd. is that, that far off from the TSs amp?

after doing the conversion his would be about $230, so it's about right.
i believe the speaker is bigger and more options.

i wasnt really talking about the amp he linked too.
it was more towards the harley benton brand being sold in the US...
#35
I like it a lot. Should i get this or the 5 watter for bedroom practice? I'm thinking of getting the 5w head version and somehow getting a cheap cab but that won't be for a while. Harley Benton will bring out a GA30 30w amp next These amps seem great value. I'm also pretty impressed it has an effects loop!
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^i think what he's saying is, you dont buy a tube amp especially a 15 W tube amp for its headphones.



This is really what I mean. low ended tube preamps really don't have "great tube tone". The dynamics, even-order harmonic emphasis, and volume all come prom the powertube section, not the preamp section. All that the headphone jack does is take the tap between the volume knob, and add a resistor so it's not as powerful as the line level signal.

A cube through headphones will sound approximately about the same as a tube preamp direct into headphones.
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#37
hey rein, maybe what i should have said is, "i think what he should have said is..."


yes. you are a smarty pants tho.
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This is really what I mean. low ended tube preamps really don't have "great tube tone". The dynamics, even-order harmonic emphasis, and volume all come prom the powertube section, not the preamp section. All that the headphone jack does is take the tap between the volume knob, and add a resistor so it's not as powerful as the line level signal.

A cube through headphones will sound approximately about the same as a tube preamp direct into headphones.
Even order harmonic emphasis comes from single ended circuits: SE outputs like the 5watt EL-84 amps and preamp stages.

Odd order harmonic emphasis comes from push-pull outputs, like those in the 15watt EL-84 amps.

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I thought HBs were in effect rebranded Epi. Blackhearts are from Crate.

Looks like the Epi Valve Standard minus the DSP portion.

Look at them and you can tell the BH are the same. Not uncommon at all for one factory to make stuff for many brands when its in China, Korea, or Indonesia. A good example is how Cort makes all the Korean Schecter, PRS SE, ESP/LTD, and a lot of the Indo Ibanez. Samick also makes numerous models for many companies. The Epiphone amp plant in China is the same way.
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^i think what he's saying is, you dont buy a tube amp especially a 15 W tube amp for its headphones.

you most people who buy a tube amp already have a practice amp for umm, bedroom/headphone practice.

edit: ok i just read ur edit. i guess there are headphones. but i dont know, if they are all made in the same place anyway...

ive never had problems putting my pedals in front of my epi, but an effects loop would be nice.
and im guess the dsp could be turned off, i dont know im just trying to find an amp close to answer his question.
yes. every headphone emulated jack things i've tired had been miserable. it sounds horrible. never get an amp for the headphone feature.

if the dsp loop isn't true bypass, i can just hot wire (bypass) it and be all good about it. or add a true bypass switch on the side.
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