Poll: Which do you like more
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Vinyl
69 54%
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59 46%
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#1
what do you prefer?

for me it has to be vinyl just started listening to them again and i much prefer them.

also which do you listen to more?

i listen to Cd's more but thats because i have more Cd's.
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#3
Vinyl for sure. I have about 250 records and only about 10 CDs But seriously though, with my record player plugged into a good EQ, the sound kicks any CDs ass.
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#4
i listen to cds but only because i sont have any vinyl
but with vinyl you can scratch
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#5
I also have a special love for vinyl but not on every occasion. I could go either way (like a bisexual). I listen to them equally. But nothing beats listening to Radiohead on vinyl.

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#6
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does anybody even have record players anymore
cds ftw


i know quite a few people with them, they are becoming popular again.
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#7
!!!Vinyl!!!

My styli has been broken for months but In the next few weeks I'll finally have enough money to replace it(I'm horrible with managing money) and listen to my beloved records again. I also love the fact that so many people don't like vinyl, so you can buy used records for so cheap on ebay. Actually, when I was talking to a friend's mom and I started talking about my records, she just handed me a stack of old records from when she was a kid. It just sucks when you're the only person you know with a record player though.
#8
I wish I had a record player. My dad has tons of old records from his days. There probably all warped though, because they've been sitting in a box for 30 years.
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#9
Certainly in theory Viynl outclasses 16 bit resolution and a 44.1khz sampling rate, but physco acoustics dictates we barley recognise the difference in mp3 compared to the original wave form. I love the warmth and mellowness of vinyl, but miss the mod con of a CD. Im gonna have to go CD
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#10
love vinyl, but it lacks in portability
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CDs

It's just so much more practical.


Yup. But, I don't have anything against Vinyl at all.
#13
CDs are much better sound and practicality wise, but for being a Top Dee Jay, you obviously need vinyl.

And a Top Dee Jay is now a part of my plan for success.
#14
CDs, but I've had almost no experience with vinyl.

On paper, CDs just seem better than vinyl in most ways.
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CDs, but I've had almost no experience with vinyl.

On paper, CDs just seem better than vinyl in most ways.


On Paper, CD's should sound worse then Vinyl, however technology on CD's has greatly improved. The sound quality (in theory) of Viynl is actually better.
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#18
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CDs are much better sound and practicality wise, but for being a Top Dee Jay, you obviously need vinyl.

And a Top Dee Jay is now a part of my plan for success.

Well, CD's have are digital and have a certain sampling rate, and bit rate. So the Sound isn't exactly the same as the original sounds being recorded, but a record is analogue, and therefore has better sound quality. But Records are prone to deterioration, so an old Record would sound worse than an old CD. And if you watch MTV most Top DJ's(Read as: Stupidly popular **** DJs) Spin CDs. Alot of good DJ's do spin Vinyl, but in the end it is all preference.
#19
For just listening around the house, Vinyl wins.


But for portability and convinence. Mp3 > All.
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#20
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Certainly in theory Viynl outclasses 16 bit resolution and a 44.1khz sampling rate, but physco acoustics dictates we barley recognise the difference in mp3 compared to the original wave form. I love the warmth and mellowness of vinyl, but miss the mod con of a CD. Im gonna have to go CD


Mp3 is digitalized and compressed, the audible information we receive from them is minimal and only the necesary to understand it, which is imperfect in a kind of way when the lossy compression algorythm is used..

However, if you use a file that was under the loss-less compression algorythm (such a WAV) the data is nearly the same so it doesn't matter....(and the .cda files too I think) and that one is the one I like (even though it takes up almost 1 gb in your hard drive)
Although there is a process of digitalization and data loss, as long as it is not MP3 and such I go with CD....cause it has more advantages of transportation (for being digital) and other things too (mainly because I don't have a gramophone , nor vinyl discs)
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#23
I love vinyl. I have about 130 records. There's this store in my area that sells used ones for a buck a piece and sometimes they have a 3 for a buck special. It's a gold mine. I love the sound and the album art and stuff.
#24
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Well, CD's have are digital and have a certain sampling rate, and bit rate. So the Sound isn't exactly the same as the original sounds being recorded, but a record is analogue, and therefore has better sound quality. But Records are prone to deterioration, so an old Record would sound worse than an old CD. And if you watch MTV most Top DJ's(Read as: Stupidly popular **** DJs) Spin CDs. Alot of good DJ's do spin Vinyl, but in the end it is all preference.

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That's exactly my point though, practicality and soundwise (as in, practicality tied to sound) CDs are better. You don't have to replace a CD because it's wearing out, they're much cheaper in the first place, much more to choose from, more portable etc etc... The list goes on.

Top Dee Jay-ing, though, is only truly Top Dee Jay-ing if one uses vinyl. I'm not a fan of all this modern fancy pants MP3 mixing and such My associate Mr. G actually feels physical pain upon hearing non-vinyl.
#25
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Mp3 is digitalized and compressed, the audible information we receive from them is minimal and only the necesary to understand it, which is imperfect in a kind of way when the lossy compression algorythm is used..

However, if you use a file that was under the loss-less compression algorythm (such a WAV) the data is nearly the same so it doesn't matter....(and the .cda files too I think) and that one is the one I like (even though it takes up almost 1 gb in your hard drive)
Although there is a process of digitalization and data loss, as long as it is not MP3 and such I go with CD....cause it has more advantages of transportation (for being digital) and other things too (mainly because I don't have a gramophone , nor vinyl discs)



Mp3 is a 10 to 1 ratio, which is pretty shocking as that means that everything is lost in terms of dynamic range etc, however the human ear is baffeled by this. If youve ever heard an org vorbis file, theyre weird, still the smae size as mp3, just amazing quality, almost identical to WAV.

Home audio CD's use "redbook" encoding, im not sure what sort of actual sampling rate bit depth it is (i presume 16 bit 44.1khz), but its hard to tell the difference from that an WAV.

mp3 is probably the worst of all the compressions anyway, if you compare it to wma compression, the wma is far better, simply because it uses a better algorythm and its about 5 years newer then mp3.

Dont be suprised if we start seeing org vorbis players on the market. watch this space
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#26
Quote by nick dixon
Mp3 is a 10 to 1 ratio, which is pretty shocking as that means that everything is lost in terms of dynamic range etc, however the human ear is baffeled by this. If youve ever heard an org vorbis file, theyre weird, still the smae size as mp3, just amazing quality, almost identical to WAV.

Home audio CD's use "redbook" encoding, im not sure what sort of actual sampling rate bit depth it is (i presume 16 bit 44.1khz), but its hard to tell the difference from that an WAV.

mp3 is probably the worst of all the compressions anyway, if you compare it to wma compression, the wma is far better, simply because it uses a better algorythm and its about 5 years newer then mp3.

Dont be suprised if we start seeing org vorbis players on the market. watch this space


I didn't even know what Org Vorbis was
How can they have the same cuality of WAV but the same size as an MP3 ?
Isn't it patent-free or something? You can modify it and change the bitrates etc, isn't it?
That is an interesting codec

I checked Wikipedia and the bitrate of Red Book (also CDDA not CDA silly me ) is 16 bit 44,1 khz (just as you said). Checking Wikipedia once more, did you know there were yottahertz (yhz)? They are 10^24 hz (that is 1 cuatrillon!!!)

Hell, I am so back in these kind of stuff....

EDIT: I would certainly want some 10 Yb of space in my hard drive (well, I think casinos do actually)

EDIT2: You say wma is better then mp3? Take that Manfred Schroeder !
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#27
CDs, because they're easier to handle and store and they can go on a computer or an mp3 player. I really don't hear the sound difference everyone talks about.
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CDs, because they're easier to handle and store and they can go on a computer or an mp3 player. I really don't hear the sound difference everyone talks about.


You don't, professionals do...
In fact, it would be a pain to be one, you have all these MP3 flying around and all you hear is crappy noise .....
#29
Quote by nick dixon
On Paper, CD's should sound worse then Vinyl, however technology on CD's has greatly improved. The sound quality (in theory) of Viynl is actually better.

I didn't say "sound better", I said seem better i.e. they're small, easy to work with (and you don't need special equipment to play them), they are cheap (if you look in the right places), etc etc.

I know they don't have as superior sound quality though.
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i listen to cds but only because i sont have any vinyl
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#33
I've never listened to vinyl but really want to. I'll have to ask my dad to set up his old one in my room but I don't think I have space for it.
#34
IMO. Vinyl>CD>Tape>MP3.

For some reason MP3 always sounds like Sh*t to me. Way too much SS clipping going on too. Tapes are alright, but they sound too fizzy and it's hard to hear the notes sometimes. CD's sound normal to me. Nothing good, nothing bad about them. Vinyls sound so warm and natural, although there is a mild hiss, but that's no matter.
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#35
Quote by nick dixon
Mp3 is a 10 to 1 ratio, which is pretty shocking as that means that everything is lost in terms of dynamic range etc, however the human ear is baffeled by this. If youve ever heard an org vorbis file, theyre weird, still the smae size as mp3, just amazing quality, almost identical to WAV.

Home audio CD's use "redbook" encoding, im not sure what sort of actual sampling rate bit depth it is (i presume 16 bit 44.1khz), but its hard to tell the difference from that an WAV.

mp3 is probably the worst of all the compressions anyway, if you compare it to wma compression, the wma is far better, simply because it uses a better algorythm and its about 5 years newer then mp3.

Dont be suprised if we start seeing org vorbis players on the market. watch this space


MP3's are only a 10:1 size ratio if they are encoded at 144kb/s. They are often much higher now, in the range of 200kb/s + with variable bit rate to allow up to 320kb/s when necessary. But really, do a blind listening test of a ~224kb/s VBR MP3 vs red book audio CD and see if you can tell the difference. Even with $500 high end headphones, I highly doubly you will - there are very few people who can, and almost no one who can tell a 320kb/s MP3 from it's red book CD. If you can tell 320kb/s mp3 from wav a consistent 7/10 times, you have a pair of the best ears in existence, so to say that MP3 is a bad compression algorithm is retarded and wrong. LAME Mp3 VBR standard is right up there in terms of quality with newer compression standards.

Also WAV is identical to red book CD, and FLAC is lossless compressed audio about half the size of a WAV. It can be encoded and decoded as many times as you want from WAV-FLAC and back again and it stays the same, unlike with MP3 compression / decompression.
#36
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IMO. Vinyl>CD>Tape>MP3.

For some reason MP3 always sounds like Sh*t to me. Way too much SS clipping going on too. Tapes are alright, but they sound too fizzy and it's hard to hear the notes sometimes. CD's sound normal to me. Nothing good, nothing bad about them. Vinyls sound so warm and natural, although there is a mild hiss, but that's no matter.


You're not encoding them right then, or it's placebo.

EAC + LAME 3.97 224kb/s VBR then tell me if you can tell the difference. If you hear clipping then lower the gain with MP3gain or replaygain - that's a result of your encoding program setting the level too high.
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You're not encoding them right then, or it's placebo.

EAC + LAME 3.97 224kb/s VBR then tell me if you can tell the difference. If you hear clipping then lower the gain with MP3gain or replaygain - that's a result of your encoding program setting the level too high.

I don't know what that means... I'm horrible with computers. All I know is, My MP3 player, and all my friends Ipods sound like crap compared to my old Phillips walkman(damn I wish it wasn't broken) and Car stereos. Heck even boomboxes.
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I don't know what that means... I'm horrible with computers. All I know is, My MP3 player, and all my friends Ipods sound like crap compared to my old Phillips walkman(damn I wish it wasn't broken) and Car stereos. Heck even boomboxes.


Well you have to test with the same source and headphones / speakers to make a valid comparison. Try an MP3 CD or MP3's burned to a CD (mp3 burned to CD will be at the quality level of the original mp3 file or worse) on the car stereo and I bet it will sound just as good
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Well you have to test with the same source and headphones / speakers to make a valid comparison. Try an MP3 CD or MP3's burned to a CD (mp3 burned to CD will be at the quality level of the original mp3 file or worse) on the car stereo and I bet it will sound just as good

Not quite, actually.
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#40
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Not quite, actually.


What bitrate then? There's a huge difference between say 128 which is common for downloads and 192 which is a common default for ripping programs. Then there's crap like 64 which sounds like you're inside a tin can, and of course the maximum of 320 which is virtually indistinguishable from the original CD.

Here's an example = http://www.lincomatic.com/mp3/mp3quality.html

skip down to subjective listening tests..
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