#1
I play bass, and I seek advice for my guitar playing friend.

He has $400 to spend gearwise, and I was wondering what he should get. This is what he has now:

Mexican Fat Strat (stock)
Crate Kx-80 (Keyboard Amp)

Our band plays various rock. He doesn't need a metal amp (heaviest we go is Smashing Pumpkins) and we don't play blues or funk.

I was thinking that he should spend the bulk of that money on an amp of some kind. What do you guys think would be good for him? I was thinking maybe a used Peavey Valveking or Classic. Is tube the way to go? He wants a somewhat modern tone, but he doesn't want to sound like Korn (get my drift )He doesn't need an extremely high powered amp, I have a 100 watt bass amp.

He really likes the overdrive sound, hence my suggestion of a tube amp. I was kinda curious as to how pedals like the Tube Screamer work. Do they work best with a tube amp?

Anyway, if he gets an an amp, that will probably dry up his budget. But what pedals would you recommend? I was thinking an overdrive, distortion, and a wah. He REALLY likes the tone Billy Corgan has in the Cherub Rock solo. I heard some wah in there.

He hasn't played any real amps yet, but I was looking for suggestions so that when we go to a GC (nearest one is 1 hour away) he wouldn't be bogged down so much.

Anyway, sorry for the wall of text, but I wanted to give as much information.
#2
Peavey Valveking 1 x 12 or 2 x 12, they are sweet tube amps and for the price tag of around $400 new they are an amazing deal. I think there is a thread here somewhere dedicated to them, search for that.

But ya, I've used my VK 1 x 12 for about 1.5 years I've loved it. I am getting ready to buy a Laney and I will be selling mine in a month or so. So if he decides he wants to go that route and you are interested, mine has an upgraded Eminence speaker and I would be willing to sell for $250-$300. mint condish! Good luck
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#4
definately go with the tube amp......the valve kings a good option and then also look into the fender blues jr.
#6
You'll be needing a fuzz if you want Smashing Pumpkins like tone.
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#9
Thanks for the help so far, I'll be sure to tell him about the fuzz and things of that nature. My nearest big city is Phoenix, and its about an hour way.

EDIT: I found someone who has a Classic 30 for 400? Good deal?
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Quote by IndianRockStar
I play bass, and I seek advice for my guitar playing friend.

He has $400 to spend gearwise, and I was wondering what he should get. This is what he has now:

Mexican Fat Strat (stock)
Crate Kx-80 (Keyboard Amp)

Our band plays various rock. He doesn't need a metal amp (heaviest we go is Smashing Pumpkins) and we don't play blues or funk.

I was thinking that he should spend the bulk of that money on an amp of some kind. What do you guys think would be good for him? I was thinking maybe a used Peavey Valveking or Classic. Is tube the way to go? He wants a somewhat modern tone, but he doesn't want to sound like Korn (get my drift )He doesn't need an extremely high powered amp, I have a 100 watt bass amp.

He really likes the overdrive sound, hence my suggestion of a tube amp. I was kinda curious as to how pedals like the Tube Screamer work. Do they work best with a tube amp?

Anyway, if he gets an an amp, that will probably dry up his budget. But what pedals would you recommend? I was thinking an overdrive, distortion, and a wah. He REALLY likes the tone Billy Corgan has in the Cherub Rock solo. I heard some wah in there.

He hasn't played any real amps yet, but I was looking for suggestions so that when we go to a GC (nearest one is 1 hour away) he wouldn't be bogged down so much.

Anyway, sorry for the wall of text, but I wanted to give as much information.


Wow, you seem like a pretty smart man. Not like some of the idiots on this forum (Just got off the thread with the guy who wants pickups for his Epi LP Studio ) A classic 30 or a Palomino might be the way to go. I'm partial to the Palomino personally but I do like the Classic and the VK
#12
I tried the Valveking and didn't really like it. The distortion was too buzzy for my taste. I recommend the Classic 30 + OD pedal.
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#13
Boss GT-8.

Works wonders on an FRFR amp. He'll get some nice ones. The only thing he won't get is AUTHENTIC tube tone. However, the GT-8 is capable of reproducing some great sounds, and with the right tweaking he will get nice sounds that compare to a tube amp. The only thing he will lack is tube response and feel, which could be fixed when he gets enough money to buy a tube power amp.

EDIT: Right now he'll be amazed with the GT-8. And with the right tweaking he'll have that I-love-my-sound feeling for a while to come. If in the future he found the right amp he wanted, and believe me, it takes a while to find THE dream amp you're looking for, he'll have all the FX he needs. Delay, chorus, reverb, phaser, flanger, everything.

Some people shun the GT-8 for its "digital sound". However, if you work with it, visit bossgtcentral.com, follow the tutorials and ask for help when stuck, he WILL NOT be disappointed one bit. It's a great unit once you come to understand how to tweak it. You can easily remove the digital sound from it. You just have to know what to do.

And, I'm not an expert on the unit, but I can give him some vital tips if he does pick it up. Just PM me or have him PM me.

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#14
So I was able to talk to my guitarist today, and he thinks he wants to make the current amp setup he has work. Its 80 watts, so its loud enough. He said that some effects would be nice, as he has none, and there are none on the amp. These are the pedals in question:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Boss-OS2-OverdriveDistortion-Guitar-Effects-Pedal?sku=151336

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Boss-GE7-Equalizer-Pedal?sku=151324

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Dunlop-Original-Crybaby-Wah-Pedal?sku=151000

The pedals are a Boss Overdrive/Distortion, a Boss EQ, and an a Dunlop original Crybaby. I think the Boss pedals would be fine, but I am not to sure about buying a Wah that is $70 when there are many other pedals by the same company for a bit more? How is the quality on the original Crybaby? Would it be worth it to spring for a higher end model?

Thanks for the info.
#18
He should definitely go with a new amp.

No amount of pedals can make a bad amp sound good.
#19
He would benefit from a new amp more than anything else.
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I've decided that the amp he has isn't by any means bad. It just needs some effects to spice it up.

Bad decision. Effects never completely make a crappy amp sound good.

An amp is the majority of your tone. And if he's playing through a keyboard amp, he's not getting the best tone he can.
#21
Okay so to revive the thread, I did my best to convince my friend to just buy an amp, but was not able to do so. He's getting some pedals, and he's tried out some, and I'm going to GC this weekend with him. I think I know what my answer is going to be, buy what is the general opinion of Danelectro pedals? The food ones I know are crap, but are the FAB ones just as bad?

Anyway, I think this is what he may end up wanting. He's already tried the OS-2, and really enjoyed it. He, of course, will be buying used.

Boss OS-2

Dunlop Crybaby (Which one?) I've heard the Q control really isn't all its cracked up to be.

AN EQ PEDAL of some kind Can you recommend a good one thats not too expensive?

Dunlop Power Brick Because no one has a million outlets close to each other, and with all likelihood it will be of good use.

Sorry for the wall of text.
#22
Well, personally I don't like the "slash" pedals (OD/Dist), as you can get a much better overdrive or distortion from the specialized pedals... but that's just me. You can mod the heck out of a DS-1, or get the ProCo RAT2. I've heard good things about both.

Personally, If I got another wah, I would go with the 535Q. Very versatile, and I'm fairly happy with the feel of Dunlop wahs.

With an EQ, I would go with the MXR 10 or 6 band EQ, depending on how much versatility he wants (and how much he is willing to spend).

Dunlop Power Brick should be fine.

But if you can in any way convince him to get a new amp, it would probably serve him MUCH better than pedals.

Good luck!
#23
Let him buy whatever he wants. If he is stubborn enough to not listen to you give him good advice, he can get what he wants. He will be mad a month later when he realizes he could have gotten a great amp. He just needs some tough love to get through his thick skull.
#24
Well, that's unfortunate.

A better amp will serve him much better and will eliminate the need for a distortion pedal or an EQ pedal (Since two channel amps have distortion already, and a 3 band EQ), which would eliminate the need for a power brick.

If he wants to improve his tone, pedals aren't going to do that much. Amps are much more influential on his tone than pedals.
#25
I say Valve King for sure. From experience it might be perfect for him (if the heaviest is Smashing Pumpkins)
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#26
you ever hear the phrase you can't polish a turd? the amp is the turd. No matter how many effects you add, it will still sound like a turd.
#27
I agree with everyone here and that he shoudl get a good amp.. That Peavey Classic 30 would be a great choice. However since you cant convince him (maybe try showing him this thread) I will throw out some suggestions

OD pedal, Digitech Bad Monkey, its fairly cheap, and sounds great. There are better pedals but not for 50 bucks.

Wah, Crybaby 535Q, Quite the versatile wah, and not too expensive.

Eq, you can try the MXR's but also check out the Danelectro fish and chips. it is very inexpensive, but sounds very good. The only problem is it is housed in plastic, so if he is hard on his gear it might not be the best choice.

Power Supply: Go with a 1-spot power supply, it uses one plug in the outlet but daisy chains up to like 15 pedals. The only reason I can see why you would get a Dunlop power brick is if you have an 18 volt pedal (like my Slash Wah)

I still think that he should get a better amp. He can spend the 400 on a new amp, and sell his that he has now, and use that money for a pedal or 2.

Also I have never tried these pedals but they certainly caught my attention
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#28
If he's sticking with the keyboard amp, try to convince him to just get one nice multi-effects processor/floorboard, rather than a huge pile of pedals.
#29
All il say is this if he wont fork out for an amp, which is a big bad descision then he must atleast get a reverb. To be honest id say go multieffects, Boss GT-8 or GT-10 or Line 6 pod x3 in my humble opinion.
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#30
Forget the pedals and find him a nice used classic 30, a fuzz,OD and Wah could be added at a later time, an amp is the foundation to any guitar players tone, second only to the person play the guitar.
#31
used peavey classic 30. theyre 600 bucks new, but ive seen tons used for almost half that (300-400$)
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