Poll: If money were no object, which amp would you prefer?
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View poll results: If money were no object, which amp would you prefer?
Framus Cobra
16 44%
Soldano SLO
19 53%
Other [specify in post]
1 3%
Voters: 36.
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#1
I've played both at Guitar Center several times through both Celestion V30s and Greenback-filled 4x12s. I like them both. But, they're both so different-sounding, and I'm having a helluva time deciding between the two. I'm wondering, if both amps were the same price, which would you choose and why? Please reserve votes and comments for those who have actually played these amps.
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#2
hey, just out of cuiousity, what GC are you talking about? I have never seen either brands at the GCs here in Los Angeles.

Seems like all they sell is LIne 6 and ****ty Fender amps. and Marshall MGs
#3
I'd go the Soldano.

It has this classic sounding heaviness that's just awesome
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#4
FRAMUS ftw
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hey, just out of cuiousity, what GC are you talking about? I have never seen either brands at the GCs here in Los Angeles.
Guitar Center Hollywood on Sunset. They JUST recently got a Framus Cobra in. They've had either a Soldano SLO or an Avenger, at one time or another, on demo for the past several months. They also have VHTs and Diezels.
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#6
Soldano...the thing is built like a tank, and sounds AMAZING. Framus build quality is, ehhh so so. Framus is way overpriced for what they are
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#10
I've not played a Framus Cobra, but haven't heard a bad word about them. The sound clips I've heard, & YouTube videos (I know the sound quality suffers there) are pretty good, but if they were the same price, I'd go with the SLO all day, no question. I'll tell you one thing-it's very difficult to get a BAD sound from an SLO, unless you don't have your chops down-then it will punish you. I plug straight in to mine most of the time, & there's no reverb, echo, chorus, & wah to hide behind.
I got mine for $2400 US on ebay in mint condition (& purple tolex!). There's a Cobra on craigslist right now for $1200 US right near me (San Jose), so whether an SLO at $2400 is a better deal than a Cobra at $1200, well that's hard to say.
The SLO DOES come with a transferable lifetime warranty, too.
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#12
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Fireandflames, the VH4 is still a grand more than the SLO....a 30% or so increase is still quite a large jump.


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#13
I'd rather have the SLO, no contest. It's one of the best amps I've ever played.

The Framus is nice sounding, but the electronics inside it are crap and the rest of the build quality isn't worth its high price tag.
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#14
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What are you planning on playing on them. For those two, that's the determining factor imo.
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If you're willing to do a Soldano SLO, you could probably go a bit higher with a Diezel VH4...
Tried that also, and I didn't like the Diezel at all, compared with the Cobra and the SLO.


To all:

Thanks for all your comments. I think your opinions are all very valuable. To me, the Framus just seemed much more versatile than the Soldano. To me, at least, the Cobra's cleans sounded brilliant, with plenty of headroom (even though I won't be using cleans that much). At least to my still-novice ears, the Soldano seemed to be a one-trick pony. A very, very NICE, one-trick pony, but one-trick nonetheless. That signature Framus "sizzle" and the "whoomp" of the Cobra really got me hooked. Can't get that sound out of my head. But that smooth-sounding, dark-rich, Soldano tone is quite haunting and similarly unforgettable, but in a different way.
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#16
Quote by TheShred201
Imo, The cobra is better for metal rythm stuff, but the SLO wins for leads. As Matrixclaw said, the quality of the SLO is much Higher.
EXACTLY my feelings as well! Of course, my thinking is that I wouldn't be ENTIRELY happy unless I had BOTH! Both of those are expensive-ass amps, so I have to choose one or the other. Could you imagine, having BOTH a Cobra AND a SLO, bi-amping your guitar out of two separate cabinets? How motherf*cking cool would THAT be?
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#17
ya, I mean a lifetime warranty, can't really go bad, and resell value will be much higher
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#18
I don't think I could have the SLO as my only amp. As incredibly awesome as it sounds, the lack of versatility would leave me feeling hamstrung.

We've discussed the pros and cons of the Cobra before, so I won't get into that.

Definitely not going down the FJA route?

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If you're willing to do a Soldano SLO, you could probably go a bit higher with a Diezel VH4...


Completely different amp.
#22
Quote by Nolly
I don't think I could have the SLO as my only amp. As incredibly awesome as it sounds, the lack of versatility would leave me feeling hamstrung.

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#23
I'm also in favor of the Soldano.
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#24
Quote by Nolly
I don't think I could have the SLO as my only amp. As incredibly awesome as it sounds, the lack of versatility would leave me feeling hamstrung.

We've discussed the pros and cons of the Cobra before, so I won't get into that.

Definitely not going down the FJA route?.
Thanks for your advice, Nolly. No, I haven't ruled out the FJA mods at all for my 6505. I'm just not sure what to tell Jerry to mod. I've already discussed this with him via e-mail. He doesn't want to hear, "Make my amp sound like a [insert favorite boutique amp here]." So, I'm not quite sure what to say to him (plus, I have to decide what I want in the first place).

I'm sure, with the right tweak, Jerry could turn the 6505 into a very Soldano-ish amp. But I'm not so sure he could make a 6505 sound more Cobra-ish. I have to say, I'm a bit surprised at the popular response in favor of the Soldano over the Cobra in this thread. I was throroughly impressed with the Cobra upon first playing it, and I was kinda leaning toward the Cobra myself. As I said, I'm still having a tough time trying to decide.
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#25
Quote by LEVEL4
Thanks for your advice, Nolly. No, I haven't ruled out the FJA mods at all for my 6505. I'm just not sure what to tell Jerry to mod. I've already discussed this with him via e-mail. He doesn't want to hear, "Make my amp sound like a [insert favorite boutique amp here]." So, I'm not quite sure what to say to him (plus, I have to decide what I want in the first place).

I'm sure, with the right tweak, Jerry could turn the 6505 into a very Soldano-ish amp. But I'm not so sure he could make a 6505 sound more Cobra-ish. I have to say, I'm a bit surprised at the popular response in favor of the Soldano over the Cobra in this thread. I was throroughly impressed with the Cobra upon first playing it, and I was kinda leaning toward the Cobra myself. As I said, I'm still having a tough time trying to decide.

If it helps, the modded 5150 I heard had the bias/clarity mod and the custom transformer. Certainly had a Soldano-y edge to it, but mainly just sounded like the best 5150 you'll ever hear.

I stand by my original statement as far as whether to go for the SLO or Cobra - Cobra if it's your only amp, SLO if it's joining another amps with decent clean and crunch. Even then, if you're gigging, you're not going to want to have to lug two amps around when you could get away with having just one.
#26
If money is really no object, you can certainly get something even nicer-though you won't find any at GC. Fuchs Frost-100, etc. Just a thought. Of the two you mentioned the SLO would be my pick, it's a little more refined, a livelier sound if that makes sense. The cobra seems to be especially dynamics-challenged.
#27
I'd go with the Soldano. Like that guy said before...they've got a solid build and are one hell of an amp.
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#28
i haven't tried either, but i should point out that in europe the framus goes for half (if not slightly less than half) what the soldano goes for. Of course a lot of that is that we're gipped on the soldano price (they're looking something daft like $5k here), but worth bearing in mind.
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#29
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If money is really no object, you can certainly get something even nicer-though you won't find any at GC. Fuchs Frost-100, etc. Just a thought. Of the two you mentioned the SLO would be my pick, it's a little more refined, a livelier sound if that makes sense. The cobra seems to be especially dynamics-challenged.

LEVEL4-This is really a great suggestion. Fuchs amps sound unbelievable, although I've not heard the model Colin mentioned. The ODS 100 screams. Before you spend $3500 on an amp, it would be worth it to check a few more out, including the Cornford RK 100 like I checked out at NAMM. THAT is one rocking amp, too.
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#30
yeah, at that kind of money you have a lot of options. never tried a fuchs (hear good things), but cornfords are pretty sweet. not just as metal as some of the others though, if you're after metal. (the ones i've tried anyway) have more of a jazz fusion/shred/organic woody hard rock tone than br00talz.
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yeah, at that kind of money you have a lot of options. never tried a fuchs (hear good things), but cornfords are pretty sweet. not just as metal as some of the others though, if you're after metal. (the ones i've tried anyway) have more of a jazz fusion/shred/organic woody hard rock tone than br00talz.


The Frost is double-stuffed brootalz. Cornfords though, I'd agree. It would need a booster.
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(it's possible the cornford heads sound more modern, though... i've only tried the hellcat and hurricane combos)
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#34
I just read, in another thread, that the 5150 is basically a Soldano SLO rip-off, made to EVHs specs with lots of cost cutting involved, so it'd make sense if the SLO sounded similar to your 5150 (although i'm not sure on the truth in that).
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#35
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Riffhog, did you check out Cameron amps at namm? I've heard some great clips....but yes, as others have said--there are many other amps to look at.

No, sorry. Never heard of them. I may have walked right by them & not paid attention.

Dave & Colin: I'm really not sure how br00talz the new RK100 Cornford would have gotten if I could have turned it way up. It seemed to have a ridiculous amount of gain on tap (I'd guess as much as an SLO or Recto easily, but I didn't really get to open it up !). It just kept getting better. My friends were amazed by that RK100, too, & they're used to hearing very expensive amps. I'm waiting to hear back from Cornford regarding USA dealers for their amps so I can retest one.

Mr. Carrot: IMO, the SLO is just a much more responsive, dynamic version of the 5150/6505. To me, they do seem similarly voiced & sound similar at lower volumes, but the Peaveys lose clarity & definition by comparison when cranked. It's like the 6505 sounds good, but the SLO sounds great. The response is just SO crisp & fast.
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#36
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www.cornfordamps.com (i think there's a dealer list on there, it won't let me copy and paste it, but if you scroll past the UK dealers, you'll get to the US ones)
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#37
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www.cornfordamps.com (i think there's a dealer list on there, it won't let me copy and paste it, but if you scroll past the UK dealers, you'll get to the US ones)

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glad i could help...
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#39
Quote by Nolly
If it helps, the modded 5150 I heard had the bias/clarity mod and the custom transformer. Certainly had a Soldano-y edge to it, but mainly just sounded like the best 5150 you'll ever hear.

I stand by my original statement as far as whether to go for the SLO or Cobra - Cobra if it's your only amp, SLO if it's joining another amps with decent clean and crunch. Even then, if you're gigging, you're not going to want to have to lug two amps around when you could get away with having just one.
Thanks again for your comments, Nolly. That actually really helps answer my real question . . . which of the two amps sound most DIFFERENT from my 6505? I guess that's the reason I'm leaning toward the Cobra. By the way, I don't gig—this is primarily for cabinet recording . . . and of course, FUN!

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I just read, in another thread, that the 5150 is basically a Soldano SLO rip-off, made to EVHs specs with lots of cost cutting involved, so it'd make sense if the SLO sounded similar to your 5150 (although i'm not sure on the truth in that).
I read that post too. If that's true, then, an FJA-modded 6505 should sound pretty good, and my initial comparisons seem correct. Just can't get that Cobra sound outta my head.
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Thanks again for your comments, Nolly. That actually really helps answer my real question . . . which of the two amps sound most DIFFERENT from my 6505? I guess that's the reason I'm leaning toward the Cobra. By the way, I don't gig—this is primarily for cabinet recording . . . and of course, FUN!

I read that post too. If that's true, then, an FJA-modded 6505 should sound pretty good, and my initial comparisons seem correct. Just can't get that Cobra sound outta my head.

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