#1
hey people of the pit,
i have some work that i cant really find specific information on, it;d be great if anyone helped out

i just need to know the similarities and differences between communism and fascism.
thanks in advance.

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i tend to stay away from wiki...anything, but thanks also i have to draw this up in a table so yea
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For starters, one begins with a C, and the other begins with an F.

I see one of these letters being your grade on the assignment as well.
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Fascism was an attempt to find a "middle way" between communism and capitalism (which I shall assume you are familiar with )

Thus it has elements of both. Eg. it advocates smashing big businesses, but maintaining personal ownership, there are political 'parties' but only one with one leader, and so on.

In effect, fascism is an extremely closely state-controlled capitalist economy.
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self pwnage right there.

the only similarity i can think of now is that that there is nationalism involved in both systems of governments. in communism, the country is like the motherland kinda thing and u have to share stuff with everyone else, whie in fascism its to a more extreme extent - u have to be willing to fight and die for ur country

some differences include that in a fascist country ppl can own private businesses and property (even though it's more limited than a democratic country), while in a communist country, ppl cant, and have to share everything they earn (everyones supposed to be equal.)

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not necessarily; in a fascist government ppl can own private property and businesses (like how Kumanji said it).
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- They are both extreme forms of socialism.

- Generally, socialism is the idea that people are more equal. It's the system for the little working guy (who are the majority)

- Fascism is a form of national socialism. This is the idea that everyone in country X is equal and that they are better than people from any country besides country X. It is the racist unification of all people of the same nation. The nationalist idea is that this country will do everything for its own benefit at no heed to the cost of others. The Nazi's are a good example of Fascists.

- Communism is another extreme socialism, but does not have the "nationalist" factor in it. The reason for socialism in a Communist state is purely for the equal division of all the benefits of a countries economy amongst all people. There are no classes in the Communist system, everyone is equal. This is the idealism of "comradely". In the "perfect world" everyone is communist.

Unfortunately the Communist system does not work because people are corrupt, selfish and self serving. Democracy and Capitalism is the next best thing.

So the similarity is that they are both forms of socialism (unification of all people), but the difference is Fascists are nationalist bastards who enjoy the suffering of others (don't quote me on that) and Communists are simply people with a big working class who have suffered too much for few rich people, causing them to unify and cry out "One for All. All for One"! Kick out the rich ****ers and make every man equal, thus improving their lives (supposedly).

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#12
Facist is the extreme right.

Communism is the extreme left.

Ultra conservative leads to facism.

Ultra socialism leads to communism.

Main differences.

And no, Facism is NOT like Communism.
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In practice, both versions tend to end up with a closely controlled police state, persecution of opponents and a dictator as a figurehead of the government. They both also promoted individuals working together for the benefit of the state (Russian communist ideals echoed in the idea of Volksgemeinschaft in Nazi Germany).

However, true communism says that there should be no classes and no elite, whereas facism champions those who can work their way to the top.
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Funny how you want to stay away from wikipedia but it's perfectly acceptable to get information from a guitar forum consisting mostly of braindamaged 13-year-olds.
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#15
Communism is based on the ideas (but, altered radically) of German Philosopher Karl Marx. The fundamentals is about class warfare eliminating the class system, but it's a lot more than that.

They believe in the state owning everything industrial wise (socialism) and everyone gets their bit if they all pull in kind of thing.

Study communist countries for a better taste.
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Facist is the extreme right.

Communism is the extreme left.

Ultra conservative leads to facism.

Ultra socialism leads to communism.

Main differences.

And no, fascism is NOT like Communism.

Here's where you're going wrong;

Communism can be communism which is still alienated from the left. You can still have a democracy or fascist country through total nationalization and Conservative actually just means traditional. Have someone strictly traditional, it just means they're very traditional, it doesn't have to end into fascism.

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I do love my philosophy, and I keep up with politics rather well. I love looking into the ideology of these states.
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Here's where you're going wrong;

Communism can be communism which is still alienated from the left. You can still have a democracy or fascist country through total nationalization and Conservative actually just means traditional. Have someone strictly traditional, it just means they're very traditional, it doesn't have to end into fascism.



That's pretty close. From what I understand, communism is mostly an economic concept, in theory the workers (or government has it has been instantiated) run the economy to eliminate class differences. Fascism is an authoritarian concept, essentially the opposite of individual freedoms (and by extension, usually democracy). An example Liberal Fascists would be the Soviet Union, they were communist AND dictatorial fascists. An example of Conservative Fascists would be the Nazi party, they were not communist but had a strong emphasis on state (and obviously had a fascist ruler). Hope that helps explain the difference.

And for more information on how to distinguish economic politics from social politics you should check out politicalcompass.org
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thanks very much
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lack of free speech. government controls everything

So that's America right there?!
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But I think there is a degree of truth to what I said, which is kind of scary, don't you think?


One hell of a lot more goes on than we think.

Social conditioning and all that. People are born into lives where they are subconsciously conditioned into certain roles. I'm not saying it's TEH COZMIC DEATH RAYS from the FBI, it's a social effect. We call it social class. The government simply plays up to it.
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One hell of a lot more goes on than we think.

Social conditioning and all that. People are born into lives where they are subconsciously conditioned into certain roles. I'm not saying it's TEH COZMIC DEATH RAYS from the FBI, it's a social effect. We call it social class. The government simply plays up to it.


I kind of admire the conditioning in America, IMO it's been very well done and on that scale, it hasn't been pulled off in any other large countries.
(Saying this because China has what seems like condition but has really been their culture for a very long time.)
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I kind of admire the conditioning in America, IMO it's been very well done and on that scale, it hasn't been pulled off in any other large countries.
(Saying this because China has what seems like condition but has really been their culture for a very long time.)


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Facist is the extreme right.

Communism is the extreme left.

Ultra conservative leads to facism.

Ultra socialism leads to communism.

Main differences.

And no, Facism is NOT like Communism.


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heres where ur wrong: the Pit may be full of braindamaged 13 year olds, but Wikipedia allows anyone to post in/edit the articles. so wat makes u think the entire 4chan community isnt infiltrating Wikipedia as we speak? an army of 4chan ppl are gonna deliver alot more retarded ideas than the pit...
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heres where ur wrong: the Pit may be full of braindamaged 13 year olds, but Wikipedia allows anyone to post in/edit the articles. so wat makes u think the entire 4chan community isnt infiltrating Wikipedia as we speak? an army of 4chan ppl are gonna deliver alot more retarded ideas than the pit...

Only because 4chan has ideas. We copy them.
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