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#1
I'm currently fixing up a guitar, and I need to buy a Floyd Rose. I'm looking for top notch here...in other words, I want to be able to destroy that thing like Vai does and have it stay in tune. Could anyone give me the best type of Floyd Rose to buy? I heard the original was a good one, but I just want to be sure...

Thanks
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#3
Floyds are good...however the new lines of Trems coming from Ibanez are VERY impressive. Check into the Zero Resistance tremelo
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#4
Hmm, personal preference really I'd say... There are low profile tremolo's too and you may answer this question as well, Would you like to have a Push In Arm or a Screw In?
#6
I hear a lot of good things about the Edge models. I just can't seem to find where to buy them...the Zero Resistance one does look really cool though...does that stay in tune alright?
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#7
Yes, yes, and if it wasn't for the fender there would be no floyd, and without the standard bridge no fender....
It's called evolution. Improvements based on original flaws. Hell, even Floyd Rose improved his original design...a couple times in fact.
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#8
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I hear a lot of good things about the Edge models. I just can't seem to find where to buy them...the Zero Resistance one does look really cool though...does that stay in tune alright?



Yes it does.

I abuse my trem to the limits and i stay in tune 99.9% of the time (Y)


Edge Pro is also a good choice
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#11
I've also heard good things about the Schaller and Gotoh (I think it was Gotoh, anyway) LFRs, so those are slightly less expensive options.
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#13
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#16
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Original Floyd Rose

End of thread

Yep. Best build quality, longest lasting, proven, and easy to work on/get parts for.

EDIT: Though in terms of the best WORKING and the most useful, the Steinberger TransTrem wins far in and away.
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Yep. Best build quality, longest lasting, proven, and easy to work on/get parts for.

EDIT: Though in terms of the best WORKING and the most useful, the Steinberger TransTrem wins far in and away.


Until the knife edgeswear out and theZR and other ball bearing pivot trems are still working.
#18
Edge Pro

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#19
Kahler has the best locking trems ever made in my opinion. They're a lot easier to change the strings with than a typical floyd rose, and if you're getting one installed, the kahler takes much less routing than a floyd rose.
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#20
How are the new Edge Zeros? Are they better than the Edge Pros they're replacing?
#21
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Original Floyd Rose

End of thread


I hate people who say “end of thread” or its many variations thereof. They’re normally wrong. You aren’t wrong, per se, but you aren’t telling the whole story, which in effect is giving bad advice (IMO).

OFR, Gotoh, Schaller, or ibanez edge or lo-pro edge are all good. best if you can try as many of those as possible to see which you prefer. For every person who says the OFR is best, there’s another to say the edge is best, or the Schaller etc. (actually, there probably isn’t, but that’s likely more to do with the ubiquity of the OFR than anything else… much like people who don’t know much about guitar think that gibson are the best… anyway, I digress).

Where to try these:

caparisons have schallers.

jackson/charvel/high-end kramers etc. have OFRs.

second-hand ibanez rg1550s/1570s and higher have edges or lo-pro edges. Might be hard/expensive to get one for a project though.

Musicman guitars, i *think* have Gotohs. Or at least, they're identical without the Gotoh name on the front of them.

Kahlers are probably worth a look too, though I'm not too experienced with those.
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#22
I believe the Kerry King signature with BC Rich has a Kahler trem. I just remembered that I saw that in Guitar World at some point.
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#23
ive heard of a schaller OFR
on a carvin catalog
i guess that wiouold be better since its made in germany and not china
#24
OFRs are made by schaller too, i think.

a "schaller OFR" is just likely an OFR. the schaller one has "schaller" stamped on it.
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#25
ORIGINAL and don't bother with any other types of bridges. I don't care who makes em. I play my guitar for weeks without having to retune ad doing dive bombs to the point where the strings touch the humbuckers and are so loose I sound like slipknot. IMO they are perfect.
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Quote by CJRocker
Yep. Best build quality, longest lasting, proven, and easy to work on/get parts for.

EDIT: Though in terms of the best WORKING and the most useful, the Steinberger TransTrem wins far in and away.


agreed, although a khaller would require less routing. but then again if hes already got the routs done for a floyd and not a standard bridge then an OFR would run him less then schaller.
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#27
For traditional Floyd designs I'd say the Ibby Edge and Schaller Floyd/"OFR"

Low profiles would be the Floyd Pro, Ibanez Lo-pro and Ibanez Edge Pro

And ball bearing designs would be the Kahler and the ZR

Edge Zero hasen't been around long enough to be completely trustworthy, though I am sure it is great.
#28
The original is the best(in my opinion)
the trem vai uses is the edge pro, so its a good buy too
and the ZR trem is good too

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#29
Kahler's are the best trems, but if you want the best floyd (recessed, double locking) then go with the original or a schaller
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#31
Haha, 2 of my "guitar fiends" are convinced that the Edge 3 is "an incredibly awesome trem", and that "OFR's suck" .

I've tried telling them, posting links of their crappiness, amongst other things.
Also, they have NOT tried one(I have several times), ever, they just assume they're amazing.

One of 'em is my buddy, he's 'Schwing55' on here, and he's considering selling his Schecter Damien FR to get an Ibanez with a Edge 3 .

He doesn't believe me....so, I guess it'll be his problem....


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#32
original or schaller.

stay away from kahlers, they go out of tune when you bend so you have yo dive to get it back
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#33
Ibanez Edge for a number of reasons.

-Excellent build quality
-Replaceable Knife Edges
-Locking Studs
-Pop-In Trem Arm
-Countoured Edges on the saddles

Hell Vai uses the damn thing, and yes you can find parts for it.
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OFRs pale in comparison to the Edge. Then you get the Lo-Pro edge which is still superior to the OFR in every way and it's much more ergonomically and aesthetically pleasing.
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#34
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Until the knife edgeswear out and theZR and other ball bearing pivot trems are still working.

I haven't seen too many OFRs wear out... I seen plenty of 30 year old units still working.

EDIT: For what its worth (pardon if I sound like Ed Roman a bit here)...
-Who cares if Vai uses the Edge? He had an OFR on his Green Meanie. He uses the Edge as its in Ibanez, thats all.
-Gotoh makes/made the Original Edge and Edge Lo Pro afaik, unsure about the rest
-The difference between Schallers and OFRs are more than the name; Schallers use pot metal baseplates with hardened steel inserts and a different plate design with shortened lock bolts, wider bolt spaces, and intonate slightly differently due to the base plate design
-ZRs aren't anything new. They basically are what the Lo Pro is to the Standard Floyd Rose. Likewise, they use cheap metals on them as the design means it will last longer
-And I HATE when some one says something is better due to its looks, which is the difference between the FR and the Edge.
-You could argue the FRs screw in arm is much better than cheaper pop in, as by using the nut, you can have it rest where you want.
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#35
Quote by CJRocker
-ZRs aren't anything new. They basically are what the Lo Pro is to the Standard Floyd Rose. Likewise, they use cheap metals on them as the design means it will last longer
ZRs are pretty novel if you consider that just about every other guitar manufacturer uses an OFR as their high end trem, and a cheaper OFR copy as their low-end trem. There's no radical design difference between the OFR and the LoPro, but there is a radical design difference in the ZR, and not just in the way it pivots. Although the concept of ball bearing tremolo with free tension adjustment dates back to the early 90s and the Parker trem, it's Ibanez who made it popular and accessible. Good for them.


Kahlers are not a type of Floyd, they're a Bigsby on steroids. I really wonder why anyone would consider it a "best" trem. They look cool, but eh, they got four string friction points versus one on a Floyd, and other issues.
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#36
Quote by pifty
ZRs are pretty novel if you consider that just about every other guitar manufacturer uses an OFR as their high end trem, and a cheaper OFR copy as their low-end trem. There's no radical design difference between the OFR and the LoPro, but there is a radical design difference in the ZR, and not just in the way it pivots. Although the concept of ball bearing tremolo with free tension adjustment dates back to the early 90s and the Parker trem, it's Ibanez who made it popular and accessible. Good for them.


Kahlers are not a type of Floyd, they're a Bigsby on steroids. I really wonder why anyone would consider it a "best" trem. They look cool, but eh, they got four string friction points versus one on a Floyd, and other issues.

I compare a Kahler to a ZR. The ZR is also a modified Kahler. Some like the feel of them more, though I think the Kahler is smoother than both, despite its limited range. The ZR is a refinement of it really, and was intelligent enough to be double locking instead of (Except for a few exceptions) single locking, and cut down on the mechanical parts, plus it uses a standard FR nut. But in theory, it is very similar to a Kahler.

EDIT: A Kahler is as much of a "Floyd" as any locking unit. Floyd Rose to me defines more of a a theory of a guitar tremolo than a specific type. they all work the same way: By locking the string at the nut and (most of the time) the Bridge, it creates a much more stable environment for the string, making it much less likely to go out of tune.
#37
Quote by CJRocker
I haven't seen too many OFRs wear out... I seen plenty of 30 year old units still working.

EDIT: For what its worth (pardon if I sound like Ed Roman a bit here)...
-Who cares if Vai uses the Edge? He had an OFR on his Green Meanie. He uses the Edge as its in Ibanez, thats all.
-Gotoh makes/made the Original Edge and Edge Lo Pro afaik, unsure about the rest
-The difference between Schallers and OFRs are more than the name; Schallers use pot metal baseplates with hardened steel inserts and a different plate design with shortened lock bolts, wider bolt spaces, and intonate slightly differently due to the base plate design
-ZRs aren't anything new. They basically are what the Lo Pro is to the Standard Floyd Rose. Likewise, they use cheap metals on them as the design means it will last longer
-And I HATE when some one says something is better due to its looks, which is the difference between the FR and the Edge.
-You could argue the FRs screw in arm is much better than cheaper pop in, as by using the nut, you can have it rest where you want.


-When Vai was using the green meanie the Edge didn't even exsist. Niether did the Jem for that matter.
-Gotoh does manufacture them. Gotoh makes high quality ****
-Do you have any idea of what the ZR is?
-I said it had a lower profile and actually feels better and the fine tuners don't get in your way. The looks are just a nice plus
-It's preference

BTW you're dumb.
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#38
Quote by IBANEZ_EDGE
-When Vai was using the green meanie the Edge didn't even exsist. Niether did the Jem for that matter.
-Gotoh does manufacture them. Gotoh makes high quality ****
-Do you have any idea of what the ZR is?
-I said it had a lower profile and actually feels better and the fine tuners don't get in your way. The looks are just a nice plus
-It's preference

BTW you're dumb.

-Edges came around about '85, so yes it did exist then.
-Wasn't talking down Gotoh, just listing it as a fact that people don't know. I like their stuff and have Gotoh parts of several of my guitars.
-Yes I do. Different take on a Kahler.
-And thats all it is, preference. Doesn't make it better. You also described a like for Lo Pro trems, which is not exclusive to Ibanez.
-Yes it is

BTW, you must be socially insecure if you call people dumb as you don't like what they are saying.
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#39
Quote by CJRocker
I compare a Kahler to a ZR. The ZR is also a modified Kahler.

<snip>

-Yes I do. Different take on a Kahler.


Have you ever seen a Kahler? Or a ZR to that matter. ZR is essentially a Floyd with a ball bearing pivot. Kahler is essentially a Bigsby with adjustable saddles. The two are about as similar as an airplane and a helicopter. Sure, both are technically aircraft.
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#40
Quote by pifty
Have you ever seen a Kahler? Or a ZR to that matter. ZR is essentially a Floyd with a ball bearing pivot. Kahler is essentially a Bigsby with adjustable saddles. The two are about as similar as an airplane and a helicopter. Sure, both are technically aircraft.

I have seen and used both. They work very similar. The Kahler uses a Cam and Ball Bearings. The ZR cuts out the crap and uses just Ball bearings. Both load and fine tune in a similar fashion, and arguably in the ZRs case, more efficient, fashion. So yes, they are very similar
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