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#2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding (for all who dont know)

I dont support tourture, atall. No matter what, no matter what information is gained. Its not humane, and tbh it doesnt help.
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#3
Well I would have to say that it does help, how many terrorists do you think have been stopped and interrogated? For every one that we get info out of it could save the lives of hundreds of people. Now I don't support plain brutality, but this is probably the key to finding and stopping many terrorists.....
#5
Yea, the first time I went waterboarding I just got destroyed out there, strong currents, huge wav........ wait a second, never mind.


I don't approve of any torture, from what I've seen in Rambo and Chuck Norris movies, it looks horrible.
#6
Wow now that I look at that Wikepedia article I see it differently.
It seems a lot more cruel then I originally thought. I'm still not sure though.
These people that they are interrogating aren't saints you know. I'm sure they have outstanding records or incredibly incriminating evidence against them.
#7
i dont think this should be used on ANYONE. i saw some videos on youtube and i read that nixon said it was one of the worst tortures one could subject someone to. And now its just called "enhacned interrogation" i hate how most of the people who agree with this are fat senators who have NEVER been to war and have never felt an ounce of pain in their life. I think they should be waterboarded.... By Henry Rollins!!!! how badass would that be.
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#8
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Well I would have to say that it does help, how many terrorists do you think have been stopped and interrogated? For every one that we get info out of it could save the lives of hundreds of people. Now I don't support plain brutality, but this is probably the key to finding and stopping many terrorists.....

These are the same people who are blowing themselves up for their beliefs. Torture won't sway them.
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i dont think this should be used on ANYONE. i saw some videos on youtube and i read that nixon said it was one of the worst tortures one could subject someone to. And now its just called "enhacned interrogation" i hate how most of the people who agree with this are fat senators who have NEVER been to war and have never felt an ounce of pain in their life. I think they should be waterboarded.... By Henry Rollins!!!! how badass would that be.

Pssht, Henry Rollins doesn't need to waterboard, he can neck people to death.
#9
The entire concept of torture makes me want to vomit.

That wikipedia article almost made me sick. As a teenager safe and sound behind my computer, it's almost impossible to comprehend that stuff like this actually happens.

Disgusting.
#10
Wow I started reading like 5 articles on this stuff and I must say, I'm shocked. A lot of messed up stuff happens. I don't support this anymore really.....
#11
waterboarding is not torture. torture has to mean someone is being injured. being put under the water isnt injury. your friends throw you under water all the time at the pool. ive heard of some interrogation methods and theya re quite tame to the rusty blade that al qaeda uses to cut heads off
#12
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These are the same people who are blowing themselves up for their beliefs. Torture won't sway them.

Pssht, Henry Rollins doesn't need to waterboard, he can neck people to death.

i just think he needs to go into congress and the senate and just beat the **** out of people. Some of those mother****ers need a good asswhooping.
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#13
I can't believe people don't find this as a form of torture. I mean, what are they waiting for people to do so they can call it torture? Bring back the rack?
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#14
Just had a thought while reading this.. if waterboarding is torture, then aren't swirlies, as well? Should 8th grade bullies be punished under the Geneva Convention?
#15
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I can't believe people don't find this as a form of torture. I mean, what are they waiting for people to do so they can call it torture? Bring back the rack?

or the pair (cringes) did i spell that right? whatever

Again most of the people who think that have NEVER experienced any pain in their life. Thats what makes me sick. Thats why they need a good asswhooping.
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#16
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waterboarding is not torture. torture has to mean someone is being injured. being put under the water isnt injury. your friends throw you under water all the time at the pool. ive heard of some interrogation methods and theya re quite tame to the rusty blade that al qaeda uses to cut heads off

You have obviously not been present for a session. The US military has issued an edict declaring "waterboarding" a form of tortue and has banned its use. The CIA sees things differently. The CIA always sees thing differently.
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#17
also it was used by The Gestapo and the Japenese(notorious for their brutal torture techniques) during World War II. Hell it was invented by the Spanish Inquisition. is this what we have come to?
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#18
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waterboarding is not torture. torture has to mean someone is being injured. being put under the water isnt injury. your friends throw you under water all the time at the pool. ive heard of some interrogation methods and theya re quite tame to the rusty blade that al qaeda uses to cut heads off

Read the wikipedia article, n00b.
It can leave lasting damage, and can even kill.

I have to say that this has just made me lose all hope in thinking that there's any humanity in the government anymore. This is disgusting.
#19
not only is torture unethical and inhumane, but it isn't a reliable form of getting information, since people will say pretty much anything to make it stop. In the middle ages they got people to confess to flying through the air on broomsticks and having sex with the devil through torture, that should tell you how reliable it is.
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#20
^ yes in the old days. there is no recent event of a waterboarding related death/damage #1. #2 we have gotten info from terrorists by waterboarding. #3 if you dont want to be tortured, then give the information asked of you
#21
No damage?! This is going to create some of the worst psychological damage you could think of! I can't even imagine the type of post-traumatic stress someone would go through after being tortured.

Torture is no more reliable than a lie detector test. For every person you catch, there's probably many more who are tortured needlessly.

There are going to be terrorist attacks regardless of whether you torture people or not. I'm all for utilitarianism, but this is not the answer.
#22
its funny how terrorists are allowed to cut peoples heads off but the US is "bad" for using a mild form of torture
#23
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No damage?! This is going to create some of the worst psychological damage you could think of! I can't even imagine the type of post-traumatic stress someone would go through after being tortured.

Torture is no more reliable than a lie detector test. For every person you catch, there's probably many more who are tortured needlessly.

There are going to be terrorist attacks regardless of whether you torture people or not. I'm all for utilitarianism, but this is not the answer.


terrorists dont flinch when the rusty machete is in your neck, neither should we
#24
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terrorists dont flinch when the rusty machete is in your neck, neither should we

I can guarantee you that a majority of the people being tortured are not terrorists.
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#27
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its funny how terrorists are allowed to cut peoples heads off but the US is "bad" for using a mild form of torture

Terrorists are breaking international laws. They are not simply "allowed" to do anything. However, the White House is being criticized for supporting it, because it IS torture. Don't believe me, get a dictionary.
And if you think it's mild, let someone do it to you. Feeling like you're drowning is no fun. I know, as I nearly drowned when I was 6. I coughed up nearly a pint of water afterwards.

EDIT: and that pint doesn't include the mouthful I immediately spit out when I got out of the water.
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#28
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terrorists dont flinch when the rusty machete is in your neck, neither should we

so we should do just as the terrorists do, good idea!!!! in fact im going to strap some C4 to myself and bomb a mosque filled wiht innocent people right now! thank you for enlightening me.
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#29
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i can guarantee that they are or would have been

People who are tortured also include those who are thought to know terrorists. They have people who are having names beaten out of them and the government is allowed to take those people and detain them based solely on hearsay evidence.

We don't allow this crap in the court systems, why are we allowing it here?
#30
But if president Bush says its not torture, then it should be allowed shouldn't it? He is after all the authority on everything in the world seeing as America is the most powerful country in the world and could kick all your asses if we had to.

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#31
How many innocents have confessed to crimes they have not committed just to end the torture? Countless.
#32
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^ yes in the old days. there is no recent event of a waterboarding related death/damage #1. #2 we have gotten info from terrorists by waterboarding. #3 if you dont want to be tortured, then givrmation asked of youe the info

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I
I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.
II
I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.
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If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and to aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.
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If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way.
V
When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number, and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.
VI
I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.

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#33
waterboarding sounds pretty terrible. i dont know how simulating drowning wouldnt be considered torture.

definitely not something that should be used to interrogate someone.
#34
hmmm. was this spawend by me and kiwi arguing in the WWII thread??? and yes I support it
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If I am being held as an enemy combatant it is my duty to my fellow brothers in arms to not divulge information that will bring them or their cause to harm. To that end the US military created the code of conduct. It was developed after the Korean war to help POWs endure.
I
I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.
II
I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.
III
If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and to aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.
IV
If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way.
V
When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number, and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.
VI
I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.

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#37
Just a question has anyone here ever been in the military.???? also heres one to maul on.

Would you hurt one to save thousands or get thousands hurt to save one?
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#38
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Just a question has anyone here ever been in the military.???? also heres one to maul on.

Would you hurt one to save thousands or get thousands hurt to save one?


If you had to kill someone to save a thousand people then do it, however, torture doesn't have a high likelyhoood of saving anyone, since it's so unreliable and just pisses people off.
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If you had to kill someone to save a thousand people then do it, however, torture doesn't have a high likelyhoood of saving anyone, since it's so unreliable and just pisses people off.



It's not as unrealiable as you think.
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#40
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Just a question has anyone here ever been in the military.???? also heres one to maul on.

Would you hurt one to save thousands or get thousands hurt to save one?

Yes and both.
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