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#1
get my guitar to look like


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Yeh the SICK! bit sounds a bit stupid.

#3
It's called relicing. There's a good video on YouTube about it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=o0i-Yz4Cm4A

Also, just about any argument anyone wants to make against relicing, I'm free to take on. There's no reason that relicing a guitar is bad. Read my comments on the video for some ass-whooping responses.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#5
Ummm.... Uhhhh.....

bang it against the wall... and drop it a few times.. that is if you mean the dents, scratches, and chips off the paint.

what exactly do you want?
#6
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Ummm.... Uhhhh.....

bang it against the wall... and drop it a few times.. that is if you mean the dents, scratches, and chips off the paint.

what exactly do you want?

Funnily enough, this is most of the relicing process right here. Though, it can VERY easily be overdone. There are supposed to be subtle nuances and careful depictions of events on the guitar. It's like writing a work of fiction; you're telling a story. Just go slow, and know when to stop.
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#7
lol, actually, i think fender have already came out with that guita,r just the body is diff shpaed and it's all crappy lookijgn in the front, saw it at my music shop, pretty messed lol
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#8
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Funnily enough, this is most of the relicing process right here. Though, it can VERY easily be overdone. There are supposed to be subtle nuances and careful depictions of events on the guitar. It's like writing a work of fiction; you're telling a story. Just go slow, and know when to stop.

I knew my sarcasm would hit near the target one of these days...

I hate the look of guitars that are fake beaten up... All it says to me is "My owner didn't use me and abuse me enough to make these marks real" and it has no history to it!
#9
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MU2CebfXM2s
This is easily one of the worst relicing jobs I've ever seen. No guitar on the face of the earth could sustain this damage. Mostly because the damage on this body reaches places that would never be harmed under normal wear and tear. ****ty job; this is what NOT to do.
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#10
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=MU2CebfXM2s
This is easily one of the worst relicing jobs I've ever seen. No guitar on the face of the earth could sustain this damage. Mostly because the damage on this body reaches places that would never be harmed under normal wear and tear. ****ty job; this is what NOT to do.

wow.....

just wow....

#11
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I knew my sarcasm would hit near the target one of these days...

I hate the look of guitars that are fake beaten up... All it says to me is "My owner didn't use me and abuse me enough to make these marks real" and it has no history to it!

Ugh, what didn't you get about it being an art form? Reliced guitars are like functional sculpture; it's still art and holds its own value for aesthetics. Most reliced guitars I've played don't sound very good, but that's like saying that a Rembrandt isn't very durable. It's a completely different scale. Each mark on the guitar (no matter how fictional it is) tells a story. It aims to evoke an emotion and a picture in the mind of what event needed to occur to make this reality.

If someone did a perfect period relic job, the goal is that you wouldn't know it until you were told. This is often the case, actually. Though it may be hard to weed through the cheesey, overstated jobs out there, they do exist.

It's just like how you have to shuffle through all the Francis Bacon to get to the Charles Bukowski at the used books sale.

Edit: also note that in the first video I posted, this guy has done a lot to that guitar. It's only for teaching purposes. This guitar is obviously just a learning aid to demonstrate as many techniques as possible on one guitar. Don't follow the whole thing to the letter.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#12
Ah I think i get it now... Guess I should smash my les on this concrete basement floor and say it fell off the stage eh?

Yah I can see how it's an art form, but I just find it pretty well... "unintelligent?" "sorry trying to find a word that isn't too harsh, but not to insulting" You go out and spend hundreds of dollars on a good guitar, just to smash it up to tell a fictional story?
I'll admit My guitar has scratches and gouges, but they are from real accidents, and drops from untrained hands. "little nephew was trying to be like his uncle"

IMO I think it's a bad idea, but to each their own. So grab a nice unsymmetrical stone, and start the scraping.
#13
It's no more of an art form then a lamp is a window blind.

The true art fomr is in the guitar itself. The aging of it is the action of a functional piece of art at work. Much like the creation of a human and it's aging process and eventual death. All guitars have a beginning and an end.

Relicing guitars is like trying to make a 6 year old act with maturity ten times it's age and develop osteoporosis.
#14
I think those guitars you can buy ready reliced are kind of cringe inducing, like buying ripped jeans. I mean, you can just buy a guitar second hand, it's cheaper, and is actual wear.
#15
i think just gonna be a reckless mess on stage and if anything happens, it happens

i like the idea of having a story to tell

im gonna check out the videos now, maybe i'll relic my second guitar

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09 Fulltone OCD V.4
10 Ibanez WH-10 V.2
09 Splawn SuperStock
10 Jet City JCA-20
97 Fender Hot Rod Deluxe

Yeh the SICK! bit sounds a bit stupid.

#16
Ugh. Alright, well, according to that argument, why would anyone take perfectly good clay and ruin it by turning it into a pot and burning it. The guitar is just a material in the process. A canvas, if you want to look at it like that. Rarely will you ever see an outrageously expensive guitar (Les Paul) being reliced, because it's just not practical.

The argument of "if that's what you want, buy a real one" is just plain stupid. If things like that were so simple, then cost-effective brands like Squier (yes, I realize it's a division of Fender) and First Act wouldn't exist. Not everyone has the money to blow on that. If they want to feel like they're playing a guitar from the 70s, what right do you have to say that they shouldn't? Also, if you weren't told, you wouldn't know. So stop complaining.

Guitars have about as much of a "life" as a tupperware container. They're tools, materials, hunks of wood. By your rationale, painting a canvas is a complete waste, and instead its better to just let it rot on its own.

Bottom line; most of these guitars are artwork that is not meant to be played. Look at the repro. EVH strat; it sounds like crap, plays like crap, and costs a fortune. It's something you put behind a glass case and show to your friends "Yes, I own that guitar." Same goes for the repro. Joe Strummer guitar.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#17
Well for one, not many take clay and canvas and call it art. If you want to consider clay and canvas art then comparatively a tree trunk would be art as well. But no, clay, canvas, and wood are but raw material. How the artist uses the raw material is what makes it art. A guitar is a by-product of raw material (i.e. wood and metal).

Your argument doens't work because you aren't using a fair comparison. To support my statement even more, you don't take a les paul and rape it up and make a table out of it. A les paul is a finished product, a piece of art, like all other guitars. Whereas clay and canvas are used as a form of media in which one can create art. When was the last time you saw someone take a painting and intentionally drop it on the floor, drag it in the mud, rattle their keys on it, and hit it with a screw driver to make it look old?

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Guitars have about as much of a "life" as a tupperware container. They're tools, materials, hunks of wood. By your rationale, painting a canvas is a complete waste, and instead its better to just let it rot on its own.

I'm not participating in the other subject you discussed in the 2nd paragraph so I won't go into it. However, my same rationale is applied here as well. How many people do you see buying brand new tupperware containers then takes blades to scratch them up and rub dirt all over the insides just to give their tupperware an appearance of use?
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#18
I'm generally against relicing, because the only reason a guitar could be awesome with big ass divots in it would be if there was a ****ing awesome story to go along with those scrapes.
If you relic so you can make up a story, you should start gigging, taking your guitar everywhere, etc. There's a reason some older guitars look "reliced". That's not because their owners reliced them. That's because their owners used them.
Relicing a guitar is not art, it's destruction of art. It's not wear. Wear is unintentional, an effect of using the guitar. Relicing is intentional DESTRUCTION of your guitar.
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I think he just endorses them because he likes sacks of money
#19
Bull****. Destruction is just as much a form of art as construction is.

Look at dadaist art. I remember a while back, a urinal was declared a piece of art by a dadaist artist; in later years, a man took a hammer to it in a claim that destruction was just as much a form of art. You can't possibly argue against it. Art is all relative.

Though, I respect your opinion on the matter.

Edit: Except for you, PimpedOutSquier. I don't respect you at all. Grow up.

Edit2: Sorry I was late to the party. I was . . . at a party.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#20
Yeah, I gotta go for the weekend so I should probably stop this conversation we have going.

Sorry for filching this thread TS.

But my final word about this is that I don't like the idea of intentionally trying to replicate old age in a guitar, I say embrace it for it's youth, because it ain't gunna be young forever.
#21
I'm truly inspired. I'm gonna drink a few brewskis and go relic my wife's new Mercedes.
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#22
Don't try to speed it up with tools or **** just never use a case and make sure to whenever your playing it to knock into everything. My first guitar looked like that after a few years and I never tried to make it look like that I just never worried about it being banged up.
#23
Art or not, the bottom line is this: Relicing is a lie. Just like stonewash jeans and jackets that comes off the factory floor with sandpaper wear and patches. It means you're interested in sending off the "true rock n' roller" vibe, but can't be arsed to actually get down and dirty with their ****. Why would someone strive to achieve an ethic of a lifestyle they aren't interested in living?

Yeah, sure, it's an art form to be able to make a convincing piece, but that doesn't change the fact that it is also the art of lying.

@Chad: About your last post- you're clearly replying to PimpedOutSquier, and rounding that off saying you respect his opinion, but not him as a person... His only post in here was that opinion, so how can you respect the post, but not the person who made it? Do you know him in private, or do you hate most of his other posts around here...?
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#24
my brother and i were moving stuff into a uhaul truck today and we relic'ed my mom's boss's bureau when my brother decided to drop his half
#25
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my brother and i were moving stuff into a uhaul truck today and we relic'ed my mom's boss's bureau when my brother decided to drop his half

woot, now your an artist!
#26
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Art or not, the bottom line is this: Relicing is a lie. Just like stonewash jeans and jackets that comes off the factory floor with sandpaper wear and patches. It means you're interested in sending off the "true rock n' roller" vibe, but can't be arsed to actually get down and dirty with their ****. Why would someone strive to achieve an ethic of a lifestyle they aren't interested in living?

Yeah, sure, it's an art form to be able to make a convincing piece, but that doesn't change the fact that it is also the art of lying.

@Chad: About your last post- you're clearly replying to PimpedOutSquier, and rounding that off saying you respect his opinion, but not him as a person... His only post in here was that opinion, so how can you respect the post, but not the person who made it? Do you know him in private, or do you hate most of his other posts around here...?

PimpedOutSquier sounds like a douchebag. That's all I have to say on that matter.

Alright, by your reasoning, Starry Night is a lie, Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice is a lie, and any song by My Chemical Romance is a lie (sorry, I guess you nailed that one on the head). It doesn't mean you're interested in sending off the "true rock n' roller" vibe. It means you can appreciate time and effort and enjoy the aesthetic wonders from the sweat of another man's brow. I know people who don't play reliced guitars. They collect them. Same thing as stamps; you wouldn't use an inverted Jenny as postage.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#27
Most authentically reliced guitars get that way not because of the 'mojo' or the 'vibe' the artist is trying to convey to his audience, but because they got so used to that instrument years before that they only feel truly comfortable on it and it alone.

IMO, a teenager with a reliced guitar looks like someone who doesn't know the value of a dollar and treats his gear like crap. Skillful playing and an honestly worn guitar later in life is to be admired. If playing is less than masterful, and the person playing has less mileage on him than the guitar, I don't think anyone is impressed.

What do I know, though? I'm at an age where I'll be driving with my blinker constantly on soon and have my belt up around my armpits.
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#28
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Most authentically reliced guitars get that way not because of the 'mojo' or the 'vibe' the artist is trying to convey to his audience, but because they got so used to that instrument years before that they only feel truly comfortable on it and it alone.

IMO, a teenager with a reliced guitar looks like someone who doesn't know the value of a dollar and treats his gear like crap. Skillful playing and an honestly worn guitar later in life is to be admired. If playing is less than masterful, and the person playing has less mileage on him than the guitar, I don't think anyone is impressed.

What do I know, though? I'm at an age where I'll be driving with my blinker constantly on soon and have my belt up around my armpits.

No, I agree to the attitude against those who play with said gear. It is a little annoying. But, you can't lump everyone into that category. There's lots of people who just enjoy the look of reliced guitars and keep them as a collector's piece (since they usually cost up the yin-yang). So, you've got to remember that they're always two heads to the coin.
Sincerely, Chad.
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PimpedOutSquier sounds like a douchebag. That's all I have to say on that matter.

Alright, by your reasoning, Starry Night is a lie, Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice

No, by my reasoning, a lie would be to say "This is a shingle from that spire on Starry Night by Van Gogh", or "The piano in my living room is the very same piano that Lady Catherine told Elizabeth she could play in Pride and Prejudice". Think about it- by (properly) relicing a guitar you're making up events that have done this and that to your guitar, and the guitar itself is a made-up physical manifestation of something that never happened. Or, in some cases, a replica of something else.

And while I do appreciate the skill and artistry that goes into (some of) it, you can't honestly say that you believe that's what motivates most people to get into it? Acting all 'ard as nails on stage with a Squier that you made to look banged up is what I call poser attitude, one which is way different from the admiration of a collector or something like that.
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No, by my reasoning, a lie would be to say "This is a shingle from that spire on Starry Night by Van Gogh", or "The piano in my living room is the very same piano that Lady Catherine told Elizabeth she could play in Pride and Prejudice". Think about it- by (properly) relicing a guitar you're making up events that have done this and that to your guitar, and the guitar itself is a made-up physical manifestation of something that never happened. Or, in some cases, a replica of something else.

And while I do appreciate the skill and artistry that goes into (some of) it, you can't honestly say that you believe that's what motivates most people to get into it? Acting all 'ard as nails on stage with a Squier that you made to look banged up is what I call poser attitude, one which is way different from the admiration of a collector or something like that.

Yes, I honestly can say that. You're still lumping attitudes together and acting like there's only one type of person who desires a relic guitar. We're all snowflakes.

Also, how can you say that the guitar being a "made-up physical manifestation of something that never happened" is relevant? That just goes back to my point of it being a physical manifestation of fiction. You can't argue that fiction is some damnable injustice.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#32
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No, I agree to the attitude against those who play with said gear. It is a little annoying. But, you can't lump everyone into that category. There's lots of people who just enjoy the look of reliced guitars and keep them as a collector's piece (since they usually cost up the yin-yang). So, you've got to remember that they're always two heads to the coin.


...and the only ones worth collecting are the ones that are genuine articles. A new Strat that's been bashed about isn't worth a plugged nickel, nor is it 'collectible'. It has no genuine history, and that is the only thing that makes a worn guitar collectible. Some aren't even playable any more, but a documented history is all that makes them valuable, and they don't need to necessarily be beaten up to have that history.

The documented history is what allows you and your friends to imagine what might have caused the wear. Real stories. Not "Me and my buddy dragged some chains over it and wore out a few sheets of 60grit on it...". Nobody is going to buy something like that from you (using the second person pronoun generally here). Maybe you like the look of it on your wall, but it isn't collectible, nor is it fooling anyone.

For the record, I don't like seeing beat-up instruments being played either, unless its Buddy Guy or someone equally talented who has obviously caused the wear through sweat and hard work.
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#33
Quote by Chad48309
It's called relicing. There's a good video on YouTube about it.


Relicing isn't a word. The word you're looking for is distressing.
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#34
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...and the only ones worth collecting are the ones that are genuine articles. A new Strat that's been bashed about isn't worth a plugged nickel, nor is it 'collectible'. It has no genuine history, and that is the only thing that makes a worn guitar collectible. Some aren't even playable any more, but a documented history is all that makes them valuable, and they don't need to necessarily be beaten up to have that history.

The documented history is what allows you and your friends to imagine what might have caused the wear. Real stories. Not "Me and my buddy dragged some chains over it and wore out a few sheets of 60grit on it...". Nobody is going to buy something like that from you (using the second person pronoun generally here). Maybe you like the look of it on your wall, but it isn't collectible, nor is it fooling anyone.

For the record, I don't like seeing beat-up instruments being played either, unless its Buddy Guy or someone equally talented who has obviously caused the wear through sweat and hard work.

Well, that's just my point. Who's going to pay $25,000 for a crap-sounding EVH replica? A collector. I've played that guitar; it sounds terrible. It is, however, an accurate and respectable copy that looks great behind a glass case with a picture of the man himself. I myself have a framed copy of Pink Floyd's The Wall movie poster hanging, because a real one cost $300+. That doesn't make me a "poser", does it? I'd never try to pass it off as the real thing, and every penny I put into it is something that I'm proud of. It's something I enjoy to look at, and something that I'm proud to show other people. I'd feel the same way about a replica EVH strat.
Sincerely, Chad.
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Relicing isn't a word. The word you're looking for is distressing.

No, it's not, but it is the industry-slang term, and you'll find more results with that term. But yes, "distressing" is the proper word for it.

Edit: does anyone else look at the name of this thread and immediately think "shot web?"
Sincerely, Chad.
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Well, that's just my point. Who's going to pay $25,000 for a crap-sounding EVH replica? A collector. I've played that guitar; it sounds terrible. It is, however, an accurate and respectable copy that looks great behind a glass case with a picture of the man himself.


Well, if it has actually been played by EVH himself, even if only briefly for a photo, it can be considered collectible. Sorry, I'm not familiar with the particular model, so I'm not sure what makes it $25k.

I'm off to sleep now. I'm going to have to check this thread in the morning to see where it goes.
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Eastman El Rey 1
#37
Ugh, forget about it. I'm not going to bother. I have my opinions, you guys have yours. And so I leave you with this:

Sincerely, Chad.
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#38
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Yes, I honestly can say that. You're still lumping attitudes together and acting like there's only one type of person who desires a relic guitar. We're all snowflakes.
So you do say that you honestly believe that the passion of the art is what drives most people to get or make a "relic" guitar? That's odd, because I've never ever met any of those people. However, the people who want it because it looks rock n' roll on stage... those are friggin everywhere.

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Also, how can you say that the guitar being a "made-up physical manifestation of something that never happened" is relevant? That just goes back to my point of it being a physical manifestation of fiction. You can't argue that fiction is some damnable injustice.

It is relevant, because it literally (per definition- check out a dictionary) means that a "relic" guitar is a lie. And I brought it up because you can't read what I'm writing (why else would you mention two works of fiction when that's not anywhere what we're talking about?).

What you seem to misunderstand about my posts (even though I've said it quite clearly a couple of times) is that I don't care for the art of the thing, but I can appreciate it, and even understand it. I do not, however, appreciate relic'd guitars in the hands of newbies who wanna look like they're tough titties on some ratty stage.

Look at it like this: Say someone decides to copy, say, the throne of Denethor from the LOTR movies. He doesnt play anybody for a fool, and readily tells people how he checked out every detail on the screen and put some thought into how this and that could've been constructed, and put some serious work into recreating it.

Then imagine someone else, who makes another replica, and then proceeds to passively allow people to think this is the movie prop, and when people say "Wow! The throne of Denethor!" he just nods smugly with a shiteating grin on his face.

The first guy is comparable to your collectors and passionate artists. That guy is all jim dandy. Heck, he's A-OK. The second guy is the poser who tries a little too hard to make it seem like he just rocks harder than the dog's bollocks. He may even buy a 'Fender' decal to further disguise the fact that he's half-arsedly playing a brand new Squier that his parents got him for christmas. This guy is scum who's ultimately only fooling himself.


Should I get any more allegorical, or are you getting what I'm saying now? ...but I still don't think a fifth of the people here who wanna do a "relic" job are interested in the finer sides of this art.
#39
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Should I get any more allegorical, or are you getting what I'm saying now? ...but I still don't think a fifth of the people here who wanna do a "relic" job are interested in the finer sides of this art.

Oh no, sorry for the misunderstanding. Yes, in this case I agree with you.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#40
Alright then... I've been halfway agreeing with you the whole time, only from a different perspective.
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