#1
Zakk Wylde strings his Les Pauls by running the strings the opposite direction through the tailpiece, pulls them over the top of the tailpiece then over the bridge.

He says he finds he breaks much fewer strings this way, and he's also able to get those really cool high pitched ringing sounds by strumming behind the bridge on songs like S.D.M.F.

I've strung mine that way from time to time, but is there anyone else here that has strung their LP like that or always strings their LP like that? If you do, are there reasons besides those mentioned here?
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#2
i do all of my tune-o-matics like that. it does all the things he says and it also helps with achiveing a wider vabrato!!
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I've started stringing my Westfield that way, and I find it reduces the string tension for bigger bends, wider vibrato and generally easier playing.
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but wont it scratch the tailpice


Your tail piece will get scratched eventually.

How would this give you a wider vibrato? I gotta try this out... too bad I just put on new strings today. : (
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I do it on my SG, but I don't tend to break strings anyway, so I wouldn't know about that benefit, but it does give easier playability.
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#7
I have the epi strung that way.

Vibrato IS indeed easier, and I break less strings because of the tension.

I'm not bothered about the stock bridge getting scratched as it's an epi.
#8
I do it that way originally just to "be cool" and do something the same way as zakk but now I prefer it for palm muting as it gives me a nice surface there to rest my hand on instead of putting all the weight of my palm on the "blades" of the bridge. it bothers me not to have it that way now when i play other LPs that arent that way.
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I tried it once, didn't notice much of a difference, never did it again.
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#10
Same here..... tried it a few times. I also heard that it helped with sustain a little but it was too much hassle to keep it properly set up that way. The bridge saddles had to be re-set and some reversed to get correct intonation when I made the switch over so I keep it standard set up now.
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Pics and Vids pl0x. Sounds pretty promising, my crappy lil' Ibanez has a Les Paul style bridge and stop-tail/bar
#13
I see if I can't find a pic or something, but it's simply running the strings through the tail piece in the opposite direction that you normally do, then pulling them from the back side of the tail piece, over the tailpiece and over the bridge.
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Yea I've strung my guitars that way for years. The points about strings breaking less and making bending easier are completely true.
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I see if I can't find a pic or something, but it's simply running the strings through the tail piece in the opposite direction that you normally do, then pulling them from the back side of the tail piece, over the tailpiece and over the bridge.



Ah, for some reason I was envisioning the little ball end at the tuning pegs and... well, I'll give the way you posted a shot next time!
#16
The best way to setup a Les Paul, well according to Tom Murphy - is to crank the Tailpiece down so it touches the top and I think he said something about that making the angle different too.

I think Zakk Wylde's tone is horrible and he doesn't really go for a LP tone - EMGs, Maple Board, etc... so it probably works for him.

I do the wrap around thing on my Mustang to keep the strings in place.
#17
That's wierd because there's only so far down you can go with the tailpiece as the tailpiece mounting bolts have flanges on them so the tailpiece can't ever really touch the body....

I HAVE however heard of people wrapping the strings around the underside of the tail piece.

And Les Paul tone wasn't really the topic....
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#18
I string my DC that way but not my Studio. My DC is bridgeless so it just feels better when the strings are wrapped around the tailpiece.
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but wont it scratch the tailpice


Who cares if it does?

I string my guitars that way, too.
#22
I always do this.
It allows less string tension and breakage, and more resonance and sustain
it also makes it easier to bend and use heavier strings
#23
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Just wondering - do any of you people know that you can raise the tailpiece? LOL!


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#24
Nice on posting those pics Whole Lotta Led.

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Just wondering - do any of you people know that you can raise the tailpiece? LOL!



No, we are all idiots here... What's a Tail piece?!?! LOL

Raising the tailpiece doesn't do the same thing as stringing it this way.

One reason a lot of people find bending and vibrato easier by stringing this way is that it actually provides more string length for the string to have slightly more give along the entire length of the string from tail piece to tuners...
That doesn't happen with raising the tailpiece as the string length remains "virtually" the same length from tail piece to tuners.......
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What happened for me is that by stringing it that way, the strings cut into the tailpiece, and would then cut the strings. Bending is easier this way, but sustain is reduced a bit.
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What happened for me is that by stringing it that way, the strings cut into the tailpiece, and would then cut the strings. Bending is easier this way, but sustain is reduced a bit.


I've been doing it that way for years, and my Gotoh tailpieces don't show any signs of being cut up by the strings.

And in theory, sustain should be increased, because the string contacts more of the tailpiece.
#27
I actually have some minor scratches in my tailpiece, but that kind of thing doesn't bother me. Easily replaceable should I ever really want to do so....
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One reason a lot of people find bending and vibrato easier by stringing this way is that it actually provides more string length for the string to have slightly more give along the entire length of the string from tail piece to tuners...
That doesn't happen with raising the tailpiece as the string length remains "virtually" the same length from tail piece to tuners.......


More string length will usually increase the tension. The reason this stringing method decreases tension is because the strings aren't at such an angle like when the tailpiece is down all the way. So raising the tailpiece is actually quite similar.
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Quote by Whole Lotta Led
More string length will usually increase the tension. The reason this stringing method decreases tension is because the strings aren't at such an angle like when the tailpiece is down all the way. So raising the tailpiece is actually quite similar.


That's string length along a scale. Strings operate similar to springs when bending, the string stretches along the entire length of the string. Not entirely at any specific point.. Also, the distance between the bridge and nut remain the same, but the amount of string between the nut and saddle can be changed by bending...

I agree that the angle has a lot as the friction along the saddle plays a big part in limiting the stretching beyond it.

So maybe it is something that is affected by both properties....

And I can't say that I can substantiate any of this factually, it's basically speculation.
Without having the figures and knowing the math on how to determine the elasticity by angle, and string length all I can say is that you have a good point..
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#31
I tried this, and noticed it was difficult to remove the strings from the tail piece to change them.
Would wrapping them under and then over the tail piece still provide the same benefits?
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#32
no, that would make the angle the same. It may give better sustain, but thats arguable.
#33
personally i don't need my strings to be easier to play, i'd just want to have a good tone out of them and better sustain, which makes this worth the try.

to those suggesting to raise the Stopbar/Tailpiece I would not recommend it, it makes your tone thinner because the vibration doesn't contact the body as much. Or just try it and you'll see what I mean, it sounds heaps fuller and heavier with the tailpiece all the way down as far as you can get it. My guitar setup guy did this once to attempt to 'fix my action' and I haven't been back since, because it's just so simple to understand and you can experiment with it easily yourself to see what I mean.