#1
well... I'm deciding between the ENGL Thunder 50 reverb combo or the MESA Rect-o-Verb combo. Which of these amps is more versatile for me, I'm playin with a 60s SG, riffin out Classic Bluesy Rock (SRV, Hendrix, ZZ TOP) to Thrash/NWOBHM (Judas Priest, Megadeth, Motorhead). I'm playin in a "Bluesmetal Band" and I need an amp that has that vintage grind, as well as that iron roar
#2
That would be the Thunder. Rectos are a bit more high-gain than you're looking for.
#5
Id probably go for the mesa but im into high gain amps. But ive heard classic rock played on dual rectifiers and it sounded awesome.
#7
i must re-itterate. I will be happy with an amp that does higher gains, i just want something sort-of versatille
#9
Rectoverb unless you're in Europe.
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#12
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#13
ya recto verb the engl will be brighter
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#14
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the cheapest ive seen a mark 4 is 1600... im trying to keep it under 1100

I've seen Mark IV's used at Guitar Center for $1,300, you'd have to be able to get one for $1,000 on ebay. But anyways if thats not what your looking to do then the Recto is great but its more of a rythme guitarist amp. I suppose you could use a boost for leads and I've never tried an ENGL so I can't say much about that.
#16
if anything - the Screamer - oh yeah, mentioned ^

but Thunder is Zep sorta thing - you seemingly need more
#17
i haven't tried the thunder, but if you're in the US there are probably better-value options.
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#19
If you're in the US, the Mesa. If your in europe/UK then ENGL Screamer all the way.
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#20
they sell the engls on musicians friend... but perhaps i would indeed be getting a better deal with the Rectos b/c they are cheaper here in the USA... I'm sort of skeptical on the Mark IV though. Could it achieve Lamb of god-esqe tones?
#21
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they sell the engls on musicians friend... but perhaps i would indeed be getting a better deal with the Rectos b/c they are cheaper here in the USA... I'm sort of skeptical on the Mark IV though. Could it achieve Lamb of god-esqe tones?

Lol, LOG use Mark IVs...
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#23
Irony... i thought they were using 6505s, or was that arch enemy... dammit! I'm not sure. The clips i've heard from the Mark 4 didn't really pull through on the Hi-gain, crunch (tight but thick)...
#24
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Irony... i thought they were using 6505s, or was that arch enemy... dammit! I'm not sure. The clips i've heard from the Mark 4 didn't really pull through on the Hi-gain, crunch (tight but thick)...

Arch Enemy = 5150 (older), Doomsday Machine = Kranks, Rise of Tyrant = some Randall.
And yeah, LOG do use Mark IV.
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#25
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Irony... i thought they were using 6505s, or was that arch enemy... dammit! I'm not sure. The clips i've heard from the Mark 4 didn't really pull through on the Hi-gain, crunch (tight but thick)...


You'd have to play a Mark IV to know what kind of gain it has and what potential tone's it has as well.

They have a tremendous amount of bass. The low-mid range tone really cuts through. When you hear a band that uses Mark IV's tone, thats the part of the EQ that stands out.

Probably the best interpretation of 1 mark IV tone would be Dream Theater- constant motion. It's not hard to get that exact tone with a Mark IV. Lamb of Gods tone takes a bit of tweaking, and the fact that they use 2 with opposite EQ's...not something you can really achieve with one.
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#26
Ah... well I don't really want petrucci's tone, despite its gretness, it never sounded ultra-thick to me, it was always a little thinner (b/c mostly to his more melodic rythym lines, less chords) Remind me again, how much do Mark IVs run for? I cant seem to find the price guide online (or its blocked )
#27
If you want that massive low end gain tone that is pretty smooth go mesa.
If you want a less smooth tone that has more character go engl.

With that said, try them both out side by side. They're actually pretty similar because they're both hot rodded fenders.
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#28
So the Mesa will have more bass response? perhaps it's better that i go with it... b/c the dealer that carries ENGLs is far far away and it will be hard for me to get there, but the Mesa i tried blew me away (it had only a little less gain than i wanted, nothing an OCD can't fix!) but it still kicked ass... and I haven't heard particularly amazing things about the lower end ENGLs, (screamer, thunder). If anyone cares to challenge these than i welcome opinions!
#31
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I don't know... Can the Mark 4 get really chunky megadeth-like tone?



Im gonna go out on a limb, but from what i hear about this amp, YES.
#32
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I don't know... Can the Mark 4 get really chunky megadeth-like tone?


The Megadeth tone is probably the easiest tone you can get with that amp. Set the EQ pretty flat, crank the gain. Using 2 EL34s+2 6L6's, tweed power...great megadeth tone.

Scoop it a bit, put it on full power...Metallica, dream theater, hell, anyone really.
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#33
well, thanks everybody for your help. I'm trying not to be stubborn or ignorant here, but after hearing clips of both amps, and having some personall experiance with rectos, i think the Rectoverb is the amp for me. The Mark 4 is a great amp, but its simply not getting the sound that I want (it may just be a matter of EQ but meh, it's more expensive anyways) Thanks all!