#1
I don't want to seam like a noob, (I can play almost any Metallica solo) but I've never learned scales or chords, well I hear they could do wonders to your song writing skills so how do I read this?

E-|--|X-|--|X-|
B-|--|X-|--|X-|
G-|X-|--|--|X-|
D-|X-|--|--|X-|
A-|--|X-|--|X-|
E-|--|X-|--|X-|

E-|X-|--|--|X-|
B-|X-|--|--|X-|
G-|X-|--|X-|--|
D-|X-|--|X-|--|
A-|X-|--|X-|--|
E-|X-|--|--|X-|

E-|--|X-|--|X-|
B-|--|X-|--|X-|
G-|X-|--|X-|--|
D-|X-|--|--|X-|
A-|X-|--|--|X-|
E-|--|X-|--|X-|

E-|--|X-|--|X-|--|
B-|--|X-|--|--|X-|
G-|X-|--|--|X-|--|
D-|--|X-|--|X-|--|
A-|--|X-|--|X-|--|
E-|--|X-|--|X-|--|

E-|X-|--|--|X-|
B-|--|X-|--|X-|
G-|X-|--|X-|--|
D-|X-|--|X-|--|
A-|X-|--|--|X-|
E-|X-|--|--|X-|

I don't even know where to start, what do the X's mean? Any note you want?
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#2
They are dead notes.
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#3
Again: how? lol

A Major Pentatonic
e-|--|2-|--|--|5-|--|7-|--|9-|--|--|12|--|14|--|--|17|--|19|--|21|--|--|24|
B-|--|2-|--|--|5-|--|7-|--|--|10|--|12|--|14|--|--|17|--|19|--|--|22|--|24|
G-|--|2-|--|4-|--|6-|--|--|9-|--|11|--|--|14|--|16|--|18|--|--|21|--|23|--|
D-|--|2-|--|4-|--|--|7-|--|9-|--|11|--|--|14|--|16|--|--|19|--|21|--|23|--|
A-|--|2-|--|4-|--|--|7-|--|9-|--|--|12|--|14|--|16|--|--|19|--|21|--|--|24|
E-|--|2-|--|--|5-|--|7-|--|9-|--|--|12|--|14|--|--|17|--|19|--|21|--|--|24|

B Major Pentatonic
e-|--|2-|--|4-|--|--|7-|--|9-|--|11|--|--|14|--|16|--|--|19|--|21|--|23|--|
B-|--|2-|--|4-|--|--|7-|--|9-|--|--|12|--|14|--|16|--|--|19|--|21|--|--|24|
G-|1-|--|--|4-|--|6-|--|8-|--|--|11|--|13|--|--|16|--|18|--|20|--|--|23|--|
D-|1-|--|--|4-|--|6-|--|--|9-|--|11|--|13|--|--|16|--|18|--|--|21|--|23|--|
A-|--|2-|--|4-|--|6-|--|--|9-|--|11|--|--|14|--|16|--|18|--|--|21|--|23|--|
E-|--|2-|--|4-|--|--|7-|--|9-|--|11|--|--|14|--|16|--|--|19|--|21|--|23|--|

C Major Pentatonic
e-|--|--|3-|--|5-|--|--|8-|--|10|--|12|--|--|15|--|17|--|--|20|--|22|--|24|
B-|1-|--|3-|--|5-|--|--|8-|--|10|--|--|13|--|15|--|17|--|--|20|--|22|--|--|
G-|--|2-|--|--|5-|--|7-|--|9-|--|--|12|--|14|--|--|17|--|19|--|21|--|--|24|
D-|--|2-|--|--|5-|--|7-|--|--|10|--|12|--|14|--|--|17|--|19|--|--|22|--|24|
A-|--|--|3-|--|5-|--|7-|8-|--|10|--|12|--|--|15|--|17|--|19|--|--|22|--|24|
E-|--|--|3-|--|5-|--|--|8-|--|10|--|12|--|--|15|--|17|--|--|20|--|22|--|24|

D Major Pentatonic
e-|--|2-|--|--|5-|--|7-|--|--|10|--|12|--|14|--|--|17|--|19|--|--|22|--|24|
B-|--|--|3-|--|5-|--|7-|--|--|10|--|12|--|--|15|--|17|--|19|--|--|22|--|24|
G-|--|2-|--|4-|--|--|7-|--|9-|--|11|--|--|14|--|16|--|--|19|--|21|--|23|--|
D-|--|2-|--|4-|--|--|7-|--|9-|--|--|12|--|14|--|16|--|--|19|--|21|--|--|24|
A-|--|2-|--|--|5-|--|7-|--|9-|--|--|12|--|14|--|--|17|--|19|--|21|--|--|24|
E-|--|2-|--|--|5-|--|7-|--|--|10|--|12|--|14|--|--|17|--|19|--|--|22|--|24|

E Major Pentatonic
e-|--|2-|--|4-|--|--|7-|--|9-|--|--|12|--|14|--|16|--|--|19|--|21|--|--|24|
B-|--|2-|--|--|5-|--|7-|--|9-|--|--|12|--|14|--|--|17|--|19|--|21|--|--|24|
G-|1-|--|--|4-|--|6-|--|--|9-|--|11|--|13|--|--|16|--|18|--|--|21|--|23|--|
D-|--|2-|--|4-|--|6-|--|--|9-|--|11|--|--|14|--|16|--|18|--|--|21|--|23|--|
A-|--|2-|--|4-|--|--|7-|--|9-|--|11|--|--|14|--|16|--|--|19|--|21|--|23|--|
E-|--|2-|--|4-|--|--|7-|--|9-|--|--|12|--|14|--|16|--|--|19|--|21|--|--|24|

F Major Pentatonic
e-|1-|--|3-|--|5-|--|--|8-|--|10|--|--|13|--|15|--|17|--|--|20|--|22|--|--|
B-|1-|--|3-|--|--|6-|--|8-|--|10|--|--|13|--|15|--|--|18|--|20|--|22|--|--|
G-|--|2-|--|--|5-|--|7-|--|--|10|--|12|--|14|--|--|17|--|19|--|--|22|--|24|
D-|--|--|3-|--|5-|--|7-|--|--|10|--|12|--|--|15|--|17|--|19|--|--|22|--|24|
A-|--|--|3-|--|5-|--|--|8-|--|10|--|12|--|--|15|--|17|--|--|20|--|22|--|24|
E-|1-|--|3-|--|5-|--|--|8-|--|10|--|--|13|--|15|--|17|--|--|20|--|22|--|--|

G Major Pentatonic
e-|--|--|3-|--|5-|--|7-|--|--|10|--|12|--|--|15|--|17|--|19|--|--|22|--|24|
B-|--|--|3-|--|5-|--|--|8-|--|10|--|12|--|--|15|--|17|--|--|20|--|22|--|24|
G-|--|2-|--|4-|--|--|7-|--|9-|--|--|12|--|14|--|16|--|--|19|--|21|--|--|24|
D-|--|2-|--|--|5-|--|7-|--|9-|--|--|12|--|14|--|--|17|--|19|--|21|--|--|24|
A-|--|2-|--|--|5-|--|7-|--|--|10|--|12|--|14|--|--|17|--|19|--|--|22|--|24|
E-|--|--|3-|--|5-|--|7-|--|--|10|--|12|--|--|15|--|17|--|19|--|--|22|--|24|
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#4
yea, you can make them any fret you want, as long as they are in that shape, you can move it around the neck.
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#5
it means that they are muted notes. So, for those strings, you would dampen them with your hand and then strike them.
#6
Quote by DSchmitty
I don't want to seam like a noob, (I can play almost any Metallica solo) but I've never learned scales or chords, well I hear they could do wonders to your song writing skills so how do I read this?

E-|--|X-|--|X-|
B-|--|X-|--|X-|
G-|X-|--|--|X-|
D-|X-|--|--|X-|
A-|--|X-|--|X-|
E-|--|X-|--|X-|

E-|X-|--|--|X-|
B-|X-|--|--|X-|
G-|X-|--|X-|--|
D-|X-|--|X-|--|
A-|X-|--|X-|--|
E-|X-|--|--|X-|

E-|--|X-|--|X-|
B-|--|X-|--|X-|
G-|X-|--|X-|--|
D-|X-|--|--|X-|
A-|X-|--|--|X-|
E-|--|X-|--|X-|

E-|--|X-|--|X-|--|
B-|--|X-|--|--|X-|
G-|X-|--|--|X-|--|
D-|--|X-|--|X-|--|
A-|--|X-|--|X-|--|
E-|--|X-|--|X-|--|

E-|X-|--|--|X-|
B-|--|X-|--|X-|
G-|X-|--|X-|--|
D-|X-|--|X-|--|
A-|X-|--|--|X-|
E-|X-|--|--|X-|

I don't even know where to start, what do the X's mean? Any note you want?

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#7
Quote by edge11
They are dead notes.

LOL, I'm pretty sure the freaking scale ain't dead notes, I'm not an idiot I know what those are, so some one who knows actual scales clarify please.
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#8
This isn't tabs guys, it's a scale, can someone show me how I would use this correctly, I'm finally understanding why people use scales because you can design them all over the fret board. But I need to know how to use them.
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#9
Those are the pentatonics. They're poorly layed out. Go search for a lesson on pentatonics.
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#10
Quote by MedicreDemon
Those are the pentatonics. They're poorly layed out. Go search for a lesson on pentatonics.

I have, but they all just show the scale and not how to play, they just say playing it should be pretty obvious, well I'm sorry lol I don't have any musical theory really, could you point me to a good tut?
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#11
Quote by DSchmitty
I have, but they all just show the scale and not how to play, they just say playing it should be pretty obvious, well I'm sorry lol I don't have any musical theory really, could you point me to a good tut?


Watch any Zakk Wylde video on YouTube; he works almost exclusively in pentatonics so that's a good place to look. Also, just take the root of the scale you're playing and see how the tonality of the scale works with a progression you're playing. It's all about implementing those scales against a backing, so find free backing tracks (www.guitarbt.com) and work with scales in the same key as the progressions.

Also, if you know Metallica solos, you should have a good place to start with pentatonics- Kirk Hammett uses them a lot too. Most rock guitarists like the minor pentatonic.
#12
No No, lol I'm asking how do I read it, not were to use it, I know I'm going to work it into my Improv, but I don't know how to read what I'm looking at, it isn't tabs, could someone show me a tut on how to READ it?
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Last edited by DSchmitty at Feb 11, 2008,
#13
Now I'm just confused because your examples in the first post were in tab format. Are you reading sheet music?
#14
Wow, it's sad that I, someone who barely knows squat about actual music theory, has to explain this. Everyone is being dumb today.

They're scales, read as they're shown. Scales are shown this way, because they can be simply laid out. For example:

E-|--|X-|--|X-|
B-|--|X-|--|X-|
G-|X-|--|--|X-|
D-|X-|--|--|X-|
A-|--|X-|--|X-|
E-|--|X-|--|X-|
(the first scale you posted)

You could place that scale starting at the 5th fret, for example.

So, first column would be 5th fret, second would be 6th, etc..

You'd play this one in scale order (top to bottom) or reverse (bottom to top, backwards)

From top to bottom (descending):
e - 6, 8
B - 6, 8
G - 5, 8
D - 5, 8
A - 6, 8
E - 6, 8

Reverse for ascending:
E - 8, 6
A - 8, 6
D - 8, 5
G - 8, 5
B - 8, 6
e - 8, 6

Can be moved anywhere, just follow those scale brackets. Which usually, show five columns, just so you know.

Hope that helps, man.
#15
Oh nice, I think I get it, so in this scale:

E-|--|X-|--|X-|
B-|--|X-|--|X-|
G-|X-|--|--|X-|
D-|X-|--|--|X-|
A-|--|X-|--|X-|
E-|--|X-|--|X-|

I would play like this:

Descending: Ascending:
E-|--------------------------8-6--------8-6-----------------------------------------|
B-|---------------------8-6------------------8-6------------------------------------|
G-|----------------8-5----------------------------8-5-------------------------------|
D-|-----------8-5--------------------------------------8-5--------------------------|
A-|------8-6------------------------------------------------8-6---------------------|
E-|-8-6----------------------------------------------------------8-6----------------|

Is this right?

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#16
the first diagrams you posted are various pentatonic box forms.
the second one from the top is the minor pentatonic form.
this one's easy to work with, especially with metallica.
just take that box form and place it anywhere you want on the fretboard.
the first, lowest note you play will be the root note.
The pentatonic scales go through FIVE notes before they start over again at the next octave.
so after you play five notes in order from any pattern you've technically played the whole scale. You can keep playing the next notes, but you're starting the scale over again.

the second list of diagrams you posted is a whole lot better.
those show major pentatonic scales throughout the fretboard.
the first one (a major) has the fret numbers of every note in the a major pentatonic on its corresponding string (line)


Just familiarize yourself with these notes. All pentatonic scales are the same shapes, but shifted around to match its respective root note.

You've got a WHOLE lot of learning to do, goodluck
#17
alright see this?
E-|--|X-|--|X-|
B-|--|X-|--|X-|
G-|X-|--|--|X-|
D-|X-|--|--|X-|
A-|--|X-|--|X-|
E-|--|X-|--|X-|
pretend every l--l is a space of 1 fret,or a half step that you dont hit,and every lXl is a fret of a note you hit,that you can apply to any position, so this would be read(at 2nd position) with fret #s replacing the X's:
E-|--|3-|--|5-|
B-|--|3-|--|5-|
G-|2-|--|--|5-|
D-|2-|--|--|5-|
A-|--|3-|--|5-|
E-|--|3-|--|5-|
jaja?
EDIT: oh wait you already got help,ohwell
#18
Oh, and for the:

A Major Pentatonic
e-|--|2-|--|--|5-|--|7-|--|9-|--|--|12|--|14|--|--|17|--|19|--|21|--|--|24|
B-|--|2-|--|--|5-|--|7-|--|--|10|--|12|--|14|--|--|17|--|19|--|--|22|--|24|
G-|--|2-|--|4-|--|6-|--|--|9-|--|11|--|--|14|--|16|--|18|--|--|21|--|23|--|
D-|--|2-|--|4-|--|--|7-|--|9-|--|11|--|--|14|--|16|--|--|19|--|21|--|23|--|
A-|--|2-|--|4-|--|--|7-|--|9-|--|--|12|--|14|--|16|--|--|19|--|21|--|--|24|
E-|--|2-|--|--|5-|--|7-|--|9-|--|--|12|--|14|--|--|17|--|19|--|21|--|--|24|

Basically, that's just someone giving you a tab version of the scales. Showing you what notes on what strings are in what scales.

Simply put, all notes shown above are part of the A Major Pentatonic Scale.

Accordingly:
E - 2, 5, 7, 9, 12, 14, 17, 19, 21, 24

can also be

e - 2, 5 (or even 5, 7. or 7, 9. etc)
B - 2, 5 (or even 5, 7. or 7, 10. etc)
G - 2, 4 (or even 4, 6. or 6, 9. etc)
D - 2, 4 (or even 4, 7. or 7, 9. etc)
A - 2, 4 (or even 4, 7. or 7, 9. etc)
E - 2, 5 (or even 5, 7. or 7, 9. etc)

Basically, it's a similar scale aspect of it. Now, having said that.. you'll notice a pattern where notes wont always share the same interval pattern. That's just part of how scales work. I could describe it, but you could probably find a good guide on it somewhere in the lessons area, to better explain than I can.

Hopefully that helps, too.
#19
Ok, I'm getting it, so what I posted up in tab format was right according to that scale?
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#20
Quote by DSchmitty
Oh nice, I think I get it, so in this scale:

E-|--|X-|--|X-|
B-|--|X-|--|X-|
G-|X-|--|--|X-|
D-|X-|--|--|X-|
A-|--|X-|--|X-|
E-|--|X-|--|X-|

I would play like this:

Descending: Ascending:
E-|--------------------------8-6--------8-6-----------------------------------------|
B-|---------------------8-6------------------8-6------------------------------------|
G-|----------------8-5----------------------------8-5-------------------------------|
D-|-----------8-5--------------------------------------8-5--------------------------|
A-|------8-6------------------------------------------------8-6---------------------|
E-|-8-6----------------------------------------------------------8-6----------------|

Is this right?

Thanks, and to everyone else who replied on this thread, SCALES ARE NOT IN TAB FORMAT!

correct. to use it to jam, just play strings of notes in that scale
edit: strings as in sequences
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#21
"Thanks, and to everyone else who replied on this thread, SCALES ARE NOT IN TAB FORMAT!"

Way to make yourself look like an asshole to people who tried to help. Unfortunately, scales don't only exist in the realm of sheet music, they can be written out as tabs. In fact, you tabbed out a scale in the post you made. They can be written in various forms, which you don't seem to realize.
#22
Quote by DSchmitty
Oh nice, I think I get it, so in this scale:

E-|--|X-|--|X-|
B-|--|X-|--|X-|
G-|X-|--|--|X-|
D-|X-|--|--|X-|
A-|--|X-|--|X-|
E-|--|X-|--|X-|

I would play like this:

Descending: Ascending:
E-|--------------------------8-6--------8-6-----------------------------------------|
B-|---------------------8-6------------------8-6------------------------------------|
G-|----------------8-5----------------------------8-5-------------------------------|
D-|-----------8-5--------------------------------------8-5--------------------------|
A-|------8-6------------------------------------------------8-6---------------------|
E-|-8-6----------------------------------------------------------8-6----------------|

Is this right?

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Basically, except one small mistake:

Descending: Ascending:
E-|--------------------------8-6--------8-6-----------------------------------------|
B-|---------------------8-6------------------8-6------------------------------------|
G-|----------------8-5----------------------------8-5-------------------------------|
D-|-----------8-5--------------------------------------8-5--------------------------|
A-|------8-6------------------------------------------------8-6---------------------|
E-|-8-6----------------------------------------------------------8-6----------------|

should be


Descending: Ascending:
E-|--------------------------8-6--------6-8-----------------------------------------|
B-|---------------------8-6------------------6-8------------------------------------|
G-|----------------8-5----------------------------5-8-------------------------------|
D-|-----------8-5--------------------------------------5-8--------------------------|
A-|------8-6------------------------------------------------6-8---------------------|
E-|-8-6----------------------------------------------------------6-8----------------|

You read from left to right, top to bottom. EXCEPT, when descending. In which case, you read right to left, bottom to top. Get it?
#23
Quote by DSchmitty
Oh nice, I think I get it, so in this scale:

E-|--|X-|--|X-|
B-|--|X-|--|X-|
G-|X-|--|--|X-|
D-|X-|--|--|X-|
A-|--|X-|--|X-|
E-|--|X-|--|X-|

I would play like this:

Ascending:__________________ Descending:
E-|--------------------------6-8--------8-6-----------------------------------------|
B-|---------------------6-8------------------8-6------------------------------------|
G-|----------------5-8----------------------------8-5-------------------------------|
D-|-----------5-8--------------------------------------8-5--------------------------|
A-|------6-8------------------------------------------------8-6---------------------|
E-|-6-8----------------------------------------------------------8-6----------------|

Is this right?

Thanks, and to everyone else who replied on this thread, SCALES ARE NOT IN TAB FORMAT!


i edited that post so it's correct now.
You had the ascending/descending labels switched and notes on each string backwards in the first.
^^^that's the correct way to play those scales in ascending/descending order in TAB
#24
Sorry, TwistedVince got it wrong. I think he may be trying to **** with you.
You always read from left to right....top and bottom shouldnt matter.
wtf i'm going to sleep.
#25
Oh, whoops. Yeah, BluesLP1990 caught what I missed on that one. Yes, you'd have to switch those labels as well. Starting on low E and playing up is ascending, not descending. Either way though, everything in my last post was right, just switch the two. Sorry about that.

EDIT:
He's wrong on that last one. You do read right to left on ascending (going from bottom to top) otherwise, you're playing each string's notes backwards of what the should be.

DOUBLE EDIT:
Oh my god, I'm even confusing myself on this one. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I was completely reading my own words wrong.

Yes, with a scale box, you can play either descending or ascending, left to right.
e - 6, 8
B - 6, 8
G - 5, 8
D - 5, 8
A - 6, 8
E - 6, 8

OR

E - 6, 8
A - 6, 8
D - 5, 8
G - 5, 8
B - 6, 8
e - 6, 8

Again, sorry about all the confusion.
Last edited by TwistedVince at Feb 11, 2008,