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#164
While I feel the forum is more ready and able to cater to the awards now than it was, I still get the impression it would represent a backwards step in what we are looking to build in S+L.

I don't know if you agree?
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#167
Quote by #1 synth
I agree. Plus I wouldnt win any of them except for "who Alex would stab in the heart with the most ferocity."


I lol'd quite heartily.

Yeah, after reading what it was... doesn't seem like we're quite ready for it. Seems like the "teams" idea from before, great in principle... it just wouldn't work out due to the general attendance, etc...
#168
So, the ol'd techniques forum.

anybody notice this https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=650623 thread, ONLY music + lyrics thread, doesn't get used. should we be reporting threads that should go into it, for merging/closure? It seems like we should be, given the amounts of similar threads that appear.

and I feel now it's all up and running, this https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=650084 the purpose of techniques, could be put into the rules/faq, to cut down stickies?

And maybe stickied we could have songwriter and poetry discussion threads? Idk, the sub-forum just seems to slowly becoming a cluttering of like-to-like threads. I'd much rather see the similar discussion in seperate threads, while the actual forum i sused for more individual and specialist needs... not just poetry, I mean, but the specialist techniques in songwriting, making music etc. Also, the ONLY inspiration thread could do with stickying as well. Maybe drop the collab thread and just mention that in the rules? Idk.

Just some thoughts as I waste away revision time mosying about online.

#169
Hi there, I've never ventured into the S+L part of the forum before, and I posted a thread here today, which got closed, it was called 'Death Metal Lyrics'. I'm not sure if this is the right place to be asking (but I notice lots of mods posting on this thread) but why was it closed? And if I'm supposed to post it elsewhere, where do I post it? Thanks in advance guys
#170
Please read the rules and FAQ in the announcements at the top of the forum. You were directed to there.

Title is to be the title of the piece only, nothing else. If there's no title then "Untitled".

Again, check the rules before posting in forums.

#171
actually you never directed me there, you just said 'read the rules'. I didn't know where they were. But okay, I'll have a look. Would I be okay to re-post it as 'untitled' then?
#172
Quote by \m/Gaz
actually you never directed me there, you just said 'read the rules'. I didn't know where they were. But okay, I'll have a look. Would I be okay to re-post it as 'untitled' then?


Not before you have read the rules, and I'm going to time you.
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#173
Quote by \m/Gaz
actually you never directed me there, you just said 'read the rules'. I didn't know where they were. But okay, I'll have a look. Would I be okay to re-post it as 'untitled' then?


Good point Thanks for picking me up on that one. My bad.
#175
As I've got a mods attention in this thread ( ) can I redirect you slightly up the page to my post from ten days ago?

It feels unloved
#177
Correct title. You'll probably be allowed to re-post now, no-one sticks that rule in really. Pm Carmel if she doesn't responder here in good time, to save on spamming the thread.

That, and sh'es probably on the scotch or something, so will forget you've posted here.
#179
Jamie, I'm on the bottle again tonight. I'll read up on your stuff tomorrow, deal?

and I love you
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#181
Quote by guitgrinder
Is this the right place to post if I have lyrics that I want feedback on?


Yes, but read the rules of the forum first (Look at the top of the forum) so that your thread won't get closed for posting it wrongly.
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#182
OK so. My fellow mods and I have had a little chat about this and I've decided to raise it here to see what you all think.

Posting 'Blackdotted' in peoples threads; yay or nay?

On one hand it makes it very easy to see who you have to crit and to make sure you see the pieces you said you'd critique.

On the other it is a needless bump, not to mention it is usually aimed at regulars, and by doing so you're pushing down pieces by lesser known writers.


So yeah, just wanted to know where everyone stood on this one.

peACE
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#183
I think it saves a lot of fiddling about.

But I can see your point of view on it.

I would say it's handy but I wouldn't miss if it became disallowed. Though I do think it seems a little too much. I mean, a few of us do it now and then and I don't think it's too much of a problem; those who blackdot do get back anyway with a crit (except Dyl, seriously) so the piece would only get up top again anyway. If it became a bump-for-bump thing between members then I would like to see mod's step in. But as it is at the moment I don't see it as too much of a problem.

Thems me coppers.
#184
Just leave some comments if you don't have time to actually critique it like you want to and then you can come back later and edit your post.
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#185
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sometimes commenting and coming back makes sense, Andy. but other times not-so-much.
if there is a very complicated piece, requiring a lot of scrutiny, black-dotting actually makes sense.

i don't use it, myself. but i'm not against the practice if it's used sparingly.

also, i like to crit things that others blackdot. they usually go through the piece with a fine-toothed comb on the return. i make a note to go back later and compare their crit to mine. discarding personal taste, i often find a few things i should have noticed, but didn't. it improves my reading, critting, understanding of literary lingo, and ultimately my writing.
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#186
I never thought of that SYK.

Good point. I should try it some time.

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#187
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sometimes commenting and coming back makes sense, Andy. but other times not-so-much.
if there is a very complicated piece, requiring a lot of scrutiny, black-dotting actually makes sense.

i don't use it, myself. but i'm not against the practice if it's used sparingly.

also, i like to crit things that others blackdot. they usually go through the piece with a fine-toothed comb on the return. i make a note to go back later and compare their crit to mine. discarding personal taste, i often find a few things i should have noticed, but didn't. it improves my reading, critting, understanding of literary lingo, and ultimately my writing.


You are right in your own way but sometimes I feel leaving comments like “black dotted I’ll be back later or I’ll come back to this “are just worthless and falls in same category as spam as nothing relevant is spoken towards the piece and its hardly a criticism . It’s just saying something like “I notice that you’ve posted something new” .It’s like saying an obligatory “Hi” to your colleague each time you see him.

Steve is right mainly regulars use “Black dotting Method” and because of this pieces of lesser known writers are pushed down. I agree sometimes you need time to crit pieces and it’s easy to track the piece by simply black dotting it but you can always leave a comment.

I’m not saying this should be a warning offence but those who use this can take an extra effort on their part .Seriously, how difficult it is to leave a comment? You can mention a particular word choice u didn’t like. You can mention anything about the opening line and title; just make sure it doesn’t look like that obligatory “hi”.

Anyway it’s my opinion. It’s not a big deal yet . Do whatever works for you
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#188
I do it usually when I am short of time. If I look back on my own thread, have some crits to return, I black dot those threads if I am in a rush and get back to them later. Especially if whoever I'm returning hasn't left a link.
#189
Its summer now so the times I blackdot things will actually be critiqued. I see no problem with it. And if you outlaw that, then people will find another phrase that means the same thing. And if you warn people for any and all bumping no matter how small or large then that is a waste of time for you and half the forum will be gone within the month. It works fine now in my opinion and would be an example of change for the sake of change, not reason.
#190
Quote by #1 synth
It works fine now in my opinion and would be an example of change for the sake of change, not reason.


Agreed.
#191
should be allowed as long as the critique is edited into the 'blackdotted' post instead of the critique bumping the thread twice?


That annoys me to be honest.


I don't blackdot, I post a comment and expand.
#192
Quote by #1 synth
It works fine now in my opinion and would be an example of change for the sake of change, not reason.


If it did, I wouldn't raise it. Secondly, it is more pre-emptive than anything, knowing S+L like I do.

Here's an example: The other day Matt had a piece closed because he bumped it himself, now, should he have asked another member to bump it for him - saying exactly the same thing - it would have gone unpunished.

It also comes down to what the benefits are of 'blackdotting'. As said if the person doing it edits that post then no harm is done, if however, they make a new post, it is a double bump that only required one.
Then again, you have to enter a thread to post in it, what is stopping you from opening notepad and pasting the URL there?

And this isn't anywhere near being a finalisation, so no jumping the gun anyone.
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#193
heh, I've always seen it as "crit-ticket'-ing...this is the first site I've seen use "Blackdot".

Anyway, I'm a Libertarian, so I'm all for personal liberties .
Pre-emptive strikes are all good and well, just remember the champions of that cause: Adolf Hitler and George W. Bush :
I owe a ton of people critiques.

If you're one of them, please PM me.

I have trouble keeping track.
#194
I think I've used the blackdot thing before once, and I got back to it I think.

Imo, it causes more trouble that it's worth.

If you really want to crit something then you'll find it. It's not that hard to click 'page 2' etc.

And then you don't always know if someone has edited in a crit, unless they PM you. I rarely check PM's so even if someone did that, I'd miss it.

Also, I've had people say 'blackdotted' or 'i'll be back', and they never do come back.

If making a rule about it means that they'll at least leave some, even miniscule criticism then I'm for it.
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#195
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Here's an example: The other day Matt had a piece closed because he bumped it himself, now, should he have asked another member to bump it for him - saying exactly the same thing - it would have gone unpunished.



But I don't see this happening - I don't see people asking for bumps from others. If that were the case, those who do should have the same punishments as those who bump. Of course, I supposed you're also saying someone dishes out a crit and then gets a bumo back, before editing in a crit. But they didn't ask for the bump. If we saw a post in someone's thread going "Bump mine" or similar then they should get the same punishment as those who bump. That said, I know I for one have been guilty of going "yeah crit mine back, or even just bump for now"... Which I will now take into consideration too.

I think this discussion should also include the "bump for now" posts people do. And how about "bump because this deserves to be read". That's one that I don't agree with, and feel is unfair. Are these being classed as the same sort of thing?

I also agree with whoever said it (Andy, maybe) that The crit should be edited into the blackdot to avoid a double bump. That would work.
#196
I'm guessing that THW was more referring to a non-public asking for bumpage.
ie. a PM or over msn etc.
It happens heaps over msn, I know that much.
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#199
lol @ 'end game'

read between the lines, Dylan. this is our opportunity to be more subtle, and appropriate with the use of blackdotting before complaints are lodged and staff is forced to make a rule about it. Steve has always been wary of allowing too much advantage to the regulars at the cost of the newcomers. keep the use infrequent, replace the blackdot post with a crit, except in the rare instances where it might be appropriate to make a new post, and be sure to spend some attention on the newbies.

people reassessing the results of their own actions > new rules.

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#200
^whoa. "read between the lines" was a bit condescending in my opinion. But regardless, I was just wondering what fear was being harbored in our fearless leader steve that would cause him to state the need to put into effect a preemptive strike. I was not downplaying my admittedly unhelpful actions of blackdotting pieces I have not returned to, nor my own responsibility as a frequenter on this forum, but merely wondering.

I do not think it is the pox that you, and possibly others, are making it out to be, and there are surely other much more pressing matters we should spend out time addressing. I was just wondering if there was a wave of elitist apocalypse I was unaware of. Shrug, I think a rule against it at this point would feel (not only unnecessary but) stifling and that feeling would far outweigh the gain.

However, you're right SYK, we should all critique more and critique everyone equally.