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#1
I'm going to save up over this year and get a really good ($3-4000) guitar and i was thinking a gretsch white falcon, they look beautiful and frusciante's sounds amazing i love their tone but yeah, it's a lot of money to pay to be disappointed, any reason not to get one, or an even better sounding guitar?
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#2
Well, do you feel you're at such a high skill level that you would get more out of a White Falcon than you would from, say, a nice MIA Fender or a Standard Gibson?
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Well, do you feel you're at such a high skill level that you would get more out of a White Falcon than you would from, say, a nice MIA Fender or a Standard Gibson?



+1

I would go for American Fender Telecaster with the bridge pickup as a humbucker.
#4
Meh i have a thing about gibson, it just seems like you're paying for the name on the headstocks, ive played epis that sound the same as their gibson counterparts. I do like Tele's but i already have a strat that's fine, and i'm looking for a semi-hollow for my cleaner stuff, but yes, a tele would be an option
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#5
'69 (single coils) or '72 (humbuckers) Thinline Telecaster, maybe?
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#6
thinline, f-holes right?
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#7
Honestly;

I think it's a crap idea.

You should spend an equal amount on your guitar and amp IMO.

And you have that Crate with the GT-8. You won't get anywhere near the tone you'll want. Just a very nice guitar and lots of money gone.
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#8
are you kidding the Crate sounds amazing clean, crunch distortion, whatever? Just because you haven't heard of it, doesn't make it bad. I use the GT8 mostly for crazy effects in songs, and wah since i sold my crybaby, and it also has heaps of really nice amp models when i want a specific tone, i'm pretty sure a white falcon going into Boss's top FX pedal is going to sound pretty good
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#9
Gretschs in general are very nice guitars ( Ive got a silver falcon) but I remember when I bought it, even my best amp ( a 60 watt carvin) couldnt make it sound how I thought it would sound. So if you're going to buy a white falcon or similar, your best bet would be to buy a good Fender Twin Reverb amp or something.
#10
Dont you dare spend so much on a guitar when you've got that amp. I seriously doubt it sounds anywhere as nice as a clean as a Fender Twin. I would REALLY consider upgrading to a better amp before spending so much on a guitar.
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are you kidding the Crate sounds amazing clean, crunch distortion, whatever? Just because you haven't heard of it, doesn't make it bad. I use the GT8 mostly for crazy effects in songs, and wah since i sold my crybaby, and it also has heaps of really nice amp models when i want a specific tone, i'm pretty sure a white falcon going into Boss's top FX pedal is going to sound pretty good

I've played the GT212 thank you very much, and it is nothing more than a cheap Solid State 'BIGAMP' which attracts newbies like flies.

The GT-8 is decent, but it still isn't a real amp. With a massively high quality guitar like a White Falcon you really do need a high-end tube amp to extract the tone you want.
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Quote by druz15_UG
I'm going to save up over this year and get a really good ($3-4000) guitar and i was thinking a gretsch white falcon, they look beautiful and frusciante's sounds amazing i love their tone but yeah, it's a lot of money to pay to be disappointed, any reason not to get one, or an even better sounding guitar?

Go with the White Falcon. If you can afford it, I'd say go for it in a heartbeat. I'm madly in love with that guitar.
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#13
it's better than any marshall solid state *hides from flames of marshall lovers*
maybe it's just me but i think the crate sounds really good, i seem to have a way with amp EQ's i can make even ****ty guitars sound nice with most amps, my bassist gets me to dial in his tone when we record coz he doesn't even know what they do, hes a kickass bassist though.

I do agree though MrCarrott I'd probably get a tube amp as well solely for the white falcon.
I'm not a newb btw I've been playing for seven years while that's not much i am studying music a varsity and got into a restricted audition course for rock performance and i'm like completely dedicated to my music I've given up drinking (except for casual) because it ruins my voice (i sing sometimes), and pretty much spend every waking hour when I'm not working playing guitar, studying theory, listening to music etc etc.

So yeah i figure If I'm spending 3 years and 15 grand on a music degree might as well splash out and get my dream guitar
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#14
Quote by druz15_UG
Meh i have a thing about gibson, it just seems like you're paying for the name on the headstocks, ive played epis that sound the same as their gibson counterparts. I do like Tele's but i already have a strat that's fine, and i'm looking for a semi-hollow for my cleaner stuff, but yes, a tele would be an option


... with the gretch youll probably pay alot more for the name than with a gibson. Its just not bloody likely it actually costs them 3-4000 to make those.
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#15
... with the gretch youll probably pay alot more for the name than with a gibson. Its just not bloody likely it actually costs them 3-4000 to make those


You have a point (although the $3000 price tag may also have to do with the high level of craftsmanship or the fact that the hardware is 24k gold plated?) but i was referring to the fact that most Epis and Gibsons are similar. E.g the Joe Perry LP Boneyard Sig, check the specs, EVERYTHING is the same, Gibson: $4000 Epi: $1200
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#16
The £1500 ($3000) White Falcon is a lower-end model. The dream guitar you're thinking of costs somewhere around £8-9000 ($17000).
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it's better than any marshall solid state *hides from flames of marshall lovers*
maybe it's just me but i think the crate sounds really good, i seem to have a way with amp EQ's i can make even ****ty guitars sound nice with most amps, my bassist gets me to dial in his tone when we record coz he doesn't even know what they do, hes a kickass bassist though.

I do agree though MrCarrott I'd probably get a tube amp as well solely for the white falcon.
I'm not a newb btw I've been playing for seven years while that's not much i am studying music a varsity and got into a restricted audition course for rock performance and i'm like completely dedicated to my music I've given up drinking (except for casual) because it ruins my voice (i sing sometimes), and pretty much spend every waking hour when I'm not working playing guitar, studying theory, listening to music etc etc.

So yeah i figure If I'm spending 3 years and 15 grand on a music degree might as well splash out and get my dream guitar
I understand your point...

But what's the best amp you've ever played?

What I would do, is make it a $1500 guitar budget and $1500 amp budget, and that way you can get both a killer guitar and killer amp, because although I will submit that the Crate will slay MGs etc, it's still just a low-end Solid State amp. Your tone comes mostly from the amp, the playability comes from the guitar. My guitar cost $600, and my amp - a 1x12 30w tube amp - cost $600, and I enjoy both great tone and a decent guitar too.

If you're able to increase your budget even more, I'm sure we could recommend you a brilliant amp if you're absolutely set on the Falcon. But if possible, I would sell off your Crate and GT-8 and whatever unless the GT-8 is an absolute necessity, as it can contribute to more funds for better tone.
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#18
For the love of god, you gotta understand that your guitar will sound the same through all that digital crap as any other guitar that costs 400$. Solid state and digital crap dont let the true guitar tone through....most tube amps however let the natural guitar tone through, and every guitar will have its unique charecteristics through a tube amp. You can play my strat through your amp and then your damn falcon, and you'll see that the difference will be barely noticable...

but why should i care...its your money.

Btw, i feel that any guitar worth more than 1500$ is not worth it...after that it just comes down to paying for the brand...I mean, can you honestly say that a 1000$ MIA fender strat is 4 times worse than a 4000$ Gretch?
#19
If I was you TS, I'd sell most of what you have as far as gear goes, and by a nice Fender Deluxe Reverb, and THEN look into a nice Hollowbody.
#20
The £1500 ($3000) White Falcon is a lower-end model. The dream guitar you're thinking of costs somewhere around £8-9000 ($17000).


No i think you're thinking of the original '55 White Falcon, maybe if i was born back then yes, but the new ones are pretty much just reissues

MRCarrot = very helpful except i wouldn't sell the GT8 EVER!!! I'd say the best amp I've played would be a Mesa triple (i think) rectifier, that sounded great, but i was playing with a top end Epi LP.

Zwound, herein begins the digital vs real debate. Everyone hacks off digital reproductions because crappy brands like Line6 make awful stuff and everybody sort of generalises. The GT8 however is not a cheap plastic Line6. I plugged into an original Muff Pi into my amp with all settings halfway, recorded a riff. Then switched it out for the GT8 with no amp models and just the Muff Fuzz Pedal on, got the levels right and recorded the same riff. Upon listening to the recording, the only noticeable difference in tone is a slight change in volume. I even ran a plot spectrum analysis on the two parts and the computer could hardly find a difference between them.

Also, i wouldn't say the Strat is 4 times worse, but definetly nowhere near as good, but how can you compare the two? That's like comparing a fuzz pedal to a wah, they're both different, and good, in their own ways.
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#21
Line 6 makes some great stuff, like the Vetta amps. Also, Rectifiers aren't really famous for their clean tone
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Zwound, herein begins the digital vs real debate. Everyone hacks off digital reproductions because crappy brands like Line6 make awful stuff and everybody sort of generalises.



To some extent that is true, as said in one of the stickies a £2000 SS amp will beat a £100 tube amp but the reason a tube amp is so much better is the fact that it produces frequencies and harmonics that SS amps cant, and that is why they sound so much fuller and richer. For your money, I suggest buying a Fender Twin and maybe a HSS Strat, maybe the Highway One, it's not the best Fender, and definitely not the best strat, but it's a lovely workhorse and as its not hugely expensive so you could always mod it. If you really want a hollowbody Yamahas Troy Van Leuwan (sp?) is one hell of a guitar....
#23
did i say that the rectifier had good clean tone? i was merely replying when he asked what the best amp i've played is.

Yeah im lookin at a fender twin, it'll take me a bit longer to save up to get a guitar AND a fender but at least i can get the amp locally and not get it shipped. What about a Vox AC30 head? They sound good
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#24
Oh cmon! Always the pointless jawing about "get an amp", or "that's not what
I'd do". If you want that guitar, get it. period. End of story. You can *always*
get an amp some other time. Sometimes you just want to play a nice guitar even
if its just for practice. No skill level is required for *any* guitar.

The predominant "advice" around here is mostly just opinion ... and not very good
opinion at that.
#25
I meant that you're probably not going to plug your White Falcon into a triple rec or similar high gain amp. A better question would be.. what's the best amp with good cleans you've played?
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Quote by zwound
Solid state and digital crap dont let the true guitar tone through


That is partially ture, yes digital SS amps do not let your guitar's tone shine through, but somthing like a roland jazz chorus or a rockman are going to allow your guitar's indivual tonal qualities shine through.

SS does not automatically equal bad, SS modeling does

Unfortunatly, TS has a SS digital amp and a modeling pedal, which are disigned to make bad guitars sound good
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Oh cmon! Always the pointless jawing about "get an amp", or "that's not what
I'd do". If you want that guitar, get it. period. End of story. You can *always*
get an amp some other time. Sometimes you just want to play a nice guitar even
if its just for practice. No skill level is required for *any* guitar.

The predominant "advice" around here is mostly just opinion ... and not very good
opinion at that.


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Um best clean amp would have to be this real nice 60W tube combo i played in a little guitar shop where i live, can't remmember the brand but it was like a $1100 amp and sounded real good. The shop stocks like really good stuff from little known brands eg no marshalls no Gibsons or anything like that. It might have been a Kustom or something like that. I didn't get it at the time because the distortion didn't sound too great and i was looking for a versatile amp.
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i dont get why everyone thinks its gonna sound terrible through a digital modeler, il agree, they make bad guitars sound good, but i dont see the logic that they make good guitars sound bad, that makes no sense, i agree with the amp thing, but as edg said i can always get an amp.
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#29
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i dont get why everyone thinks its gonna sound terrible through a digital modeler, il agree, they make bad guitars sound good, but i dont see the logic that they make good guitars sound bad, that makes no sense, i agree with the amp thing, but as edg said i can always get an amp.


It's not that they make good guitars sound bad, they just don't let the good guitar sound shine through. Anyway, the large majority of tone comes from the amp, so you'll probably have a quite similar tone to what you do have just slightly different, and the amount of difference it would be worth the huge amount youd pay.
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my next investment is gunna be a nice bluesy tube amp(im using a (wee lil old one that used to be my pop's)
and swithcing my guitars between that and my freinds'(plural) amp is like night and day between each amp. id say that 80% of tone id due to amps...(even tubes make it suond diffrent.) so id invest in a new amp instead of a fancy smancy new guitar(a beautiful one at that) so i wouldn't be stuck in the sutiation im in now(not that my kustom is bad it just makes my guitars sound more similar than i remember.(read my sig if ur lost on me and my eqipment)
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It's not that they make good guitars sound bad, they just don't let the good guitar sound shine through. Anyway, the large majority of tone comes from the amp, so you'll probably have a quite similar tone to what you do have just slightly different, and the amount of difference it would be worth the huge amount youd pay.


Yeah I was gonna go straight into an amp with the white falcon anyway but i don't understand the last part of your paragraph, are you saying it WOULD be worth it?
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#32
wtf the font of this thread just changed for me weird.
Mr.Cuddles yeah i see what you're getting at, that's why Im thinking 2 rigs
1.) For distortion/weird sounds LP/Strat --> GT8 --> Crate
2.) For clean sounds White Falcon --> Good Tube amp (occasionaly through GT8 If require a bit of crunch)
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#33
Quote by druz15_UG
wtf the font of this thread just changed for me weird.
Mr.Cuddles yeah i see what you're getting at, that's why Im thinking 2 rigs
1.) For distortion/weird sounds LP/Strat --> GT8 --> Crate
2.) For clean sounds White Falcon --> Good Tube amp (occasionaly through GT8 If require a bit of crunch)

honestly if you have a strat it will handle clean sounds amazingly.
and even if its not a hollowbody put a little overdrive on it so when you hit the strings a little harder you get that nice crunch (ala. brian setzer)
in the end its your descision though. if you really feel the need to get this guitar get it but otherwise id invest in some tube amps or do what paris hilton did and ask daddy to buy her a recording conract
but still an amazing guitar.
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Yeah I was gonna go straight into an amp with the white falcon anyway but i don't understand the last part of your paragraph, are you saying it WOULD be worth it?



Oops typo >.<


It wouldN'T be worth the small difference you'd get.
#35
honestly if you have a strat it will handle clean sounds amazingly.
and even if its not a hollowbody put a little overdrive on it so when you hit the strings a little harder you get that nice crunch (ala. brian setzer)
in the end its your descision though. if you really feel the need to get this guitar get it but otherwise id invest in some tube amps or do what paris hilton did and ask daddy to buy her a recording conract
but still an amazing guitar.


Yeah the strats got a good 'funky' clean tone but i just love the warmth of the tones you get from hollowbodies, if played a few gretsches and nothing really sounds close to them. Like a strat is good for clean in some situations, but theres a heap of songs I play that just need that something extra special. Also I just really love those guitars that feel great to play. Maybe I'll have to save up a bit longer and get a tube amp as well, any good clean tube heads? Or is a Fender Twin the best bet? I do think that would be a great combination.
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#36
i have an artcore i got in the states for 450$ and belive it or not it plays almost as well as a gretsch at my music store(2000$)
(try using your neck/middle ppickups ala SRV and Buddy guy then turning the tone knobs to about 6 or 7 on your strat and see how it sounds.)
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#37
yeah Ibanez make fine guitars good point. I've done all that with the strat but its my like RHCP/Muse/Radiohead/ eerie tone guitar also use the vibrato in solos for a couple of my originals and the LP is just a drop D/ backup guitar and i record with it sometimes. I also want a Tele at some point but that's not as high on my "I want I want" list
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#38
Quote by Dance_of_Death
That is partially ture, yes digital SS amps do not let your guitar's tone shine through, but somthing like a roland jazz chorus or a rockman are going to allow your guitar's indivual tonal qualities shine through.

SS does not automatically equal bad, SS modeling does

Unfortunatly, TS has a SS digital amp and a modeling pedal, which are disigned to make bad guitars sound good

Yeah! Forgot those exeptions
#39
if the man wants a white falcon let him buy it the damn guitar it looks ****ing sweet and so what if it doesn't sound that good on his amp he can save up more money and buy a $600 dollar amp l8r
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#40
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Why even bother asking here? I'm not sure why anyone does. It's like, "spend
my money for me".

All that matters is if you like it and want it.

I like to play a nice guitar even if it's not plugged in and I'm just practicing. As far
as the amp goes, that all depends what you're going to be using it for. Even a
practice amp can sound ok at lower volumes if you're just playing around the house.
I don't have problems with tone whether I'm plugged into my Pandora with
headphones using a cheap guitar or using an expensive guitar thru a THD head
w/ G-System.

Better to be concerned about the tone of your playing than the tone of the
equipment.

If the Falcon's the one you want, get it. I'd be the last one to tell you what I'd
like is what you should like. I'd only advise try it first if you can and compare
with some others. Just going by a pic on a website and/or who plays one isn't
very good criteria either.
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