#1
I have a 2005 Jackson RR3, Marshall MG100HDFX & cab, and a BOSS MT-2 Metal Zone distortion pedal. I have been fiddling with this stuff for quite some time, and I cannot seem to find a tone I'm happy with. Sometimes I'll find an awesome sound for rhythm that will make my lead sound thin, or find a lead sound that makes my rhythm tone muddy and not and heavy as I'd like it to be.

I'd like to get a Mesa/Boogie Road King (or other Mesa amp) and some DiMarzio pickups, but I don't have the time (or money) to go look around right now. Any ideas on settings and/or things I can do/use to get a good solid sound for now would be appreciated greatly!

To help you understand what I'm looking for, I'm a big fan of the tones of John Petrucci (Dream Theater), Jeff Loomis (Nevermore), Michael Romeo (Symphony X), Guthrie Govan, Dimebag Darrell Abbott (Pantera), and Joe Satriani.


Thanks to all who help,

Ray
#2
Cheers to the guthrie govan fan.

You can achieve those tones on an MG...well, not really, but you can try. You may want to sell your amp and pedals and getting something else.
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#3
btw, what are you settings on the amp?
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#4
Unfortunately crap amp + crap pedal = crap tone.

In the short term get yourself an EQ pedal and a decent distortion pedal, the Metal Zone is appalling.
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#6
The only way to make an MG sound half decent is to plug a good mfx unit into the fx loop, that way you are only using the speaker on the amp.

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#7
LEAVE THE MG ALONE!

You can get a good sound out of it - you just need to tweak it more.

The MT-2 is the most tinniest pedal ever. You need to upgrade that or get a new amp if you like. Try the Metal Muff (EHX). You can get a nice Symphony X Rhythm out of that and also other metal tones.
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I have a 2005 Jackson RR3, Marshall MG100HDFX & cab, and a BOSS MT-2 Metal Zone distortion pedal. I have been fiddling with this stuff for quite some time, and I cannot seem to find a tone I'm happy with. Sometimes I'll find an awesome sound for rhythm that will make my lead sound thin, or find a lead sound that makes my rhythm tone muddy and not and heavy as I'd like it to be.

I'd like to get a Mesa/Boogie Road King (or other Mesa amp) and some DiMarzio pickups, but I don't have the time (or money) to go look around right now. Any ideas on settings and/or things I can do/use to get a good solid sound for now would be appreciated greatly!

To help you understand what I'm looking for, I'm a big fan of the tones of John Petrucci (Dream Theater), Jeff Loomis (Nevermore), Michael Romeo (Symphony X), Guthrie Govan, Dimebag Darrell Abbott (Pantera), and Joe Satriani.


Thanks to all who help,

Ray


You can probably get those tones by scooping the mids on the amplifier. Some people like doing that but I'd recommend against it. Try turning the contour up, keep the bass up and the treble flat and add gain as necessary. Don't use the MT-2.

Of course, you could just sell your amp and pedals and get something like a B-52 AT series or a Carvin V3. Both are affordable and can dish out teh br00talz.
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LEAVE THE MG ALONE!

You can get a good sound out of it - you just need to tweak it more.

The MT-2 is the most tinniest pedal ever. You need to upgrade that or get a new amp if you like. Try the Metal Muff (EHX). You can get a nice Symphony X Rhythm out of that and also other metal tones.
If by tweak you mean take it into a pro recording studio, then yes it'd work.

But if a studio can do that to an MG, what could it do to a brilliant amp?
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If by tweak you mean take it into a pro recording studio, then yes it'd work.

But if a studio can do that to an MG, what could it do to a brilliant amp?


To be honest most the people who slate the MG haven't had it long enough or at all to pass judgement on it.
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To be honest most the people who slate the MG haven't had it long enough or at all to pass judgement on it.
To be honest, I've played lots of different MGs, I've spent ages accumulated with them. And they are BAD. Muddy mids, grating highs, muddy bass, Fizzy drive, muddy cleans. Imagine all the worst characteristics of a really bad fuzz pedal, and that's what the MG sounds like.
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To be honest, I've played lots of different MGs, I've spent ages accumulated with them. And they are BAD. Muddy mids, grating highs, muddy bass, Fizzy drive, muddy cleans. Imagine all the worst characteristics of a really bad fuzz pedal, and that's what the MG sounds like.


I had a mMG (without the effects) about 8 or 9 years ago and I thought it was really good tone wise, I just gave it to a buddy about a year ago. With that being said, the new MGs are really not anywhere near as good as the old models. Something is just missing completely.
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To be honest most the people who slate the MG haven't had it long enough or at all to pass judgement on it.



I've had my mg for 5 years, I dusted it of a couple of months ago and played on it for a bit. I cant believe I wasted £200 on it. It makes an ok cab for my VJ though
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To be honest most the people who slate the MG haven't had it long enough or at all to pass judgement on it.


I have owned the MG50DFX as well as the MG15MSII. I'm allowed to say that the Marshall MG series amplifiers are turd.

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Well, to be honest, the more I played MG's, the dizzier my head got. =/
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#16
Wow! I apparently need to check my account more. All these replies...heehee

Yeah I was pretty naive in the way I came about getting it. I'm 15 now, and the amp I had prior was a Fender 25R. Plugging into an MG after the 25R's muddy overdrive makes the MG seem like God's personal amp. Then after about a month of fiddling with the MG I got kind of bored with it's lack of versatility. So I went out and got a Metal Zone for some reason. However I'm starting to get some satisfying sounds out of it. I have yet to get it to make a good rhythm sound, but as far as a lead sound, here's what I've been recently setting it to (using the Overdrive 2 channel on the amp itself):
(These are approximate #'s)

Gain: 6
Bass: 6
Mid: 7
Treble: 4.9
Contour: 4.5
Volume: 6
I also have the delay on, and I really don't know how to describe the setting for that.
FX Level: 3
Reverb: 2

And that's my lead settings.

Clean sound (Clean channel. Duh.):

Gain: 8
Bass: 6
Mid: 6
Treble: 6
Effects Loop Mix: 6

I use the MT-2 for the rhythm sounds, and my clean sound affects it greatly, but my settings on that (approximately in relatively to where they'd be on a clock) are:

Level: 12 o'clock
Low: 1:30
High: 12:15
Mid Frequency: 1:30
Middle: 11 o'clock
Distortion: 1:20

I am aware that this may not be the greatest equipment, but I have to work with it for now. I'm saving up for a new amp. Most likely a Mesa/Boogie. I was thinking Road King, Lonestar or MKIV. If not a Boogie then I've also been thinking about Hughes & Kettner and maybe a Carvin.

Also I've been looking into some DiMarzio pickups. ToneZone, FRED, Evolution neck, etc.
Haven't decided on which ones yet.

Thanks for all the help and anymore input is wanted and appreciated!

In the mean time, to hear me play, you can check out the following locations:

www.myspace.com/cheynestokes1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1x7n1XolRA

Thanks,

Ray
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Cheers to the guthrie govan fan.



Guthrie is a beast! IMO he's the best guitar player out there as far as technique and technical ability go. I really don't know that I've ever seen him make a mistake, other than a few very, VERY miniscule little things once in a blue moon. Petrucci is still my favorite though!