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#1
This will be something of a rant.

Recently I have been seeing something of a trend which has seriously annoyed me. I have been avoiding posting in these threads because they all end up descending into pointless sh*tstorms.

This trend is making threads about how much you hate shredding. Whether you love or hate shred, it is a musical direction (I don't consider it to be a genre) that many people on this site enjoy and appreciate. How would you feel it us shredders started making threads about how blues is nothing but pointless bitching about how you woman left you, followed by an EPICK BEND? Or saying that classic rock was nothing but LSD inspired noise? Or saying that punk is just a bunch of angsty teenagers complaining about the government while hammering the same three chords for two and a half minutes?

The answer: you would most likely tell us we have no musical taste, then claim the superiority of that genre over all others. The fact is that shred whether you consider it a musical idea, a genre, the only music worth playing, or emotionless noise, is is still a legitamite form of music, for if it weren't people like Buckethead, Steve Vai, and Joe Satriani would be broke, instead of the very popular SHRED icons that they are.

The threads I am referring to are nothing more than genre bashing, which in my opinion is nothing more than controlled flaming. So, in summation, please learn to live and let live, and stop bashing and entire form of music.

/rant


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#2
shutup idiot.
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#3
But shred has no feeling man lololol
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shutup idiot.


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sure
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Haha
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jascha heifetz?
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#12
;_; BAWWWWWWWWWWWW ect. ect.

but seriously I agree with you...just don't bother making threads about it.
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#13
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jascha heifetz?
Yep. I put it there because he looks like he's playing sad romantic music...
#14
Quote by rcmaster0072002
i play all the styles mention'd whats wrong with that?

Absolutely nothing. I am upset with the people who feel the need to bash shred in particular, but also any other genre as a whole. Doing so is dumb, as every genre has some good music in it.
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#18
threadstarter, remember, most people on this site are 12-14 and only play power chords, you dont seriously take what people on this site about guitar seriously do you? if every guitar player listened to people on ug, we would all think it would be an astonishing accomplishment to learn a green day song in three years. of course not many people on this site like shred, its because the majority of people on this site listen to fallout boy or nirvana. and ill be called an idiot for posting this because i did what? i stated my own opinion. i like shred, but no one on this site will because none of them acually play the guitar, or play it well enough to acually have their opinion voiced. people on this site will say shred is emotionless also because they dont just hit one note and bend it, or they play outside of blues pentatonic. they dont understand shred involves complex use of all the modes, different scales, variations and mixing of all of it to make it sound decent.
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#19
So far the topic creator has been the only one to show some intelligence in this topic... And thank you topic creator, shred is music, and people who say it lacks feeling are clearly not listening to actual shred.

On the topic of lack of feeling, I think genres like Punk are idiotic, all you have to do is learn a chord and scream about how the government is holding you back (even though you're raking it in because kids think you're "cool") and you are instantly an idol. Sorry shredding isn't as mainstream, we'll take our actual skills, you know the ones we've actually worked for, not just picked up a guitar and beat it, and leave. Thanks.
#20
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So far the topic creator has been the only one to show some intelligence in this topic......

.....I think genres like Punk are idiotic, all you have to do is learn a chord and scream about how the government is holding you back (even though you're raking it in because kids think you're "cool") and you are instantly an idol....
This made me laugh.
#21
Quote by edusty2010
So far the topic creator has been the only one to show some intelligence in this topic... And thank you topic creator, shred is music, and people who say it lacks feeling are clearly not listening to actual shred.

On the topic of lack of feeling, I think genres like Punk are idiotic, all you have to do is learn a chord and scream about how the government is holding you back (even though you're raking it in because kids think you're "cool") and you are instantly an idol. Sorry shredding isn't as mainstream, we'll take our actual skills, you know the ones we've actually worked for, not just picked up a guitar and beat it, and leave. Thanks.

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#22
i actually totally agree with TS.

bagging out an entire genre of music is wrong, even if it isnt in your particular taste people should still appreciate that type of music.
i, personally, think that punk is horrible, repetitive music, but thats only my opinion.
shred is a true musical style, and it does have emotion. plenty of it. people think that fast=no emotion, but differing speeds, accents, bends, etc. which are actually quite common in shred, provide more emotion than alot of bands/artists can muster in their whole career.
people who can shred, and i mean shred (ie. satriani, yngwie, vai, gilbert, buckethead, petrucci etc), dont always show off. speed isnt just for showing off. i mean, its cool to be able to just sit there and sweep pick, but it isnt really that amazing.
these people take playing fast to new levels, they have spent many thousands of hours in their lifetime honing their chops and technique in order to best show their emotion. emotion is great, but what is emotion without technique?
technique is great too, but what is it without emotion?
its easy to play fast, or play with emotion, but combing these two types of elements is extremely difficult, but if used correctly, can help you to create your artistic vision. and isnt that what music is, art?
not all people like the mona lisa, but its still appreciated as great art.
same thing with picasso.
music is about expressing yourself, and if that means a flurry of 16th notes at 200bpm, or a slow soulful blues style solo, then thats great. as long as you realise music is about expression.
#23
Quote by edusty2010
So far the topic creator has been the only one to show some intelligence in this topic... And thank you topic creator, shred is music, and people who say it lacks feeling are clearly not listening to actual shred.

On the topic of lack of feeling, I think genres like Punk are idiotic, all you have to do is learn a chord and scream about how the government is holding you back (even though you're raking it in because kids think you're "cool") and you are instantly an idol. Sorry shredding isn't as mainstream, we'll take our actual skills, you know the ones we've actually worked for, not just picked up a guitar and beat it, and leave. Thanks.

if this is truley your opinion you should do what i should have done a long time ago...leave ug...
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#24
Quote by edusty2010
So far the topic creator has been the only one to show some intelligence in this topic... And thank you topic creator, shred is music, and people who say it lacks feeling are clearly not listening to actual shred.

On the topic of lack of feeling, I think genres like Punk are idiotic, all you have to do is learn a chord and scream about how the government is holding you back (even though you're raking it in because kids think you're "cool") and you are instantly an idol. Sorry shredding isn't as mainstream, we'll take our actual skills, you know the ones we've actually worked for, not just picked up a guitar and beat it, and leave. Thanks.


Thank you, but what I'm saying is that shred is just as respectable as the other genres I mentioned. I insulted them because this is the average anti shred person.

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Ssred is so dumb and pointl ess, its' just someguy playin teh hamronic mnior scale liek 12 times a seconfd. uit's so stupid, and pointless wanking GTFO shredders.


That being said, punk, blues, and classic rock are all fine styles of music.
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#26
guys seriously if you enjoy shred as much as i do, ug is not the place for you. im leaving again...but this time i will not return...later ug...
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#27
i like shredding, i think it's awesome. my guitar teacher's a shredder, and he's friends with Michael Angelo Batio and the dudes from A7X, whom i hate, but still. at my school, shredding and technique are looked down upon among the few guitarists. in fact, electric itself is looked down upon. it's all about Andy McKee, Bright Eyes, James Taylor..
it's pretty depressing sometimes, being the only real guitarist. and i'm not even that good.
#28
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i actually totally agree with TS.

bagging out an entire genre of music is wrong, even if it isnt in your particular taste people should still appreciate that type of music.
i, personally, think that punk is horrible, repetitive music, but thats only my opinion.
shred is a true musical style, and it does have emotion. plenty of it. people think that fast=no emotion, but differing speeds, accents, bends, etc. which are actually quite common in shred, provide more emotion than alot of bands/artists can muster in their whole career.
people who can shred, and i mean shred (ie. satriani, yngwie, vai, gilbert, buckethead, petrucci etc), dont always show off. speed isnt just for showing off. i mean, its cool to be able to just sit there and sweep pick, but it isnt really that amazing.
these people take playing fast to new levels, they have spent many thousands of hours in their lifetime honing their chops and technique in order to best show their emotion. emotion is great, but what is emotion without technique?
technique is great too, but what is it without emotion?
its easy to play fast, or play with emotion, but combing these two types of elements is extremely difficult, but if used correctly, can help you to create your artistic vision. and isnt that what music is, art?
not all people like the mona lisa, but its still appreciated as great art.
same thing with picasso.
music is about expressing yourself, and if that means a flurry of 16th notes at 200bpm, or a slow soulful blues style solo, then thats great. as long as you realise music is about expression.


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#29
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guys seriously if you enjoy shred as much as i do, ug is not the place for you. im leaving again...but this time i will not return...later ug...


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#30
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Not necessarily.


dude all music is about expression, except those lame-ass artists who sell out.
and man you like classical? thats awesome.
classical music uses alot of expression...i think were not on the same wavelength here lol
#31
Quote by edusty2010
On the topic of lack of feeling, I think genres like Punk are idiotic, all you have to do is learn a chord and scream about how the government is holding you back (even though you're raking it in because kids think you're "cool") and you are instantly an idol.


oh, yeah, the guys in aus rotten and crass are rich fuckers. seriously. they're also really popular.
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#32
Hey don't even speak of shred getting disrespected. Did you see the punk guitarist thread I made? If it's as bad as that then I'd think a thread is necessary. Oh sorry, I didn't see that you actually respected punk in the beginning, sorry.
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#33
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dude all music is about expression, except those lame-ass artists who sell out.
and man you like classical? thats awesome.
classical music uses alot of expression...i think were not on the same wavelength here lol
Impressionist music is my favorite music, which deals more with depiction of things like atmosphere, rather than emotion.
#35
I agree with the TS. Although I'm biased towards shredding, I think the arguments against shredding on here are terrible. It's jut a bunch of notes...either you're looking at the wrong guitarists or you have no grasp of the taste and musicality in those notes. The good shredders actually attempt to play tasteful licks, and if they didn't then anybody could learn one mode and then play it as fast as they can. The really good shredders (Vai, Satriani) actually shred seldomly in the song, and when they do it's just in the right spot in order to add an element of intensity. Vai is considered one of the fastest shredders, and yet he'd rather play tastefully in an exotic mode like E lydian rather than shred his ass off.
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#36
Quote by edusty2010
So far the topic creator has been the only one to show some intelligence in this topic... And thank you topic creator, shred is music, and people who say it lacks feeling are clearly not listening to actual shred.

On the topic of lack of feeling, I think genres like Punk are idiotic, all you have to do is learn a chord and scream about how the government is holding you back (even though you're raking it in because kids think you're "cool") and you are instantly an idol. Sorry shredding isn't as mainstream, we'll take our actual skills, you know the ones we've actually worked for, not just picked up a guitar and beat it, and leave. Thanks.

You're ignorant, there's nothing else I can say. East Bay Ray or pretty much any decent punk guitarist would own you. Oh and also TS I agree now that I read the whole post.
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#37
Quote by StreetLight3989
You're ignorant, there's nothing else I can say. East Bay Ray or pretty much any decent punk guitarist would own you. Oh and also TS I agree now that I read the whole post.


Thanks. Even if I don't like a style of music, I give it some respect, because music is a form of expression. That means that someone elses expression is different from what mine is, which is to be expected. That doesn't undermine that expression's legitamicy.
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#39
Why would you name this thread "Shredding" if you'r rant focuses on more genres.
People like what they like, just like how you like one genre, and other people dont. Believe it or not, guitarists who play in punk bands, some are much better than what they show, the only reason they play mostly powerchords is because THEY LIKE WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE. The most amazing shredder can be disguised as a classical blues player.

And, "EPICK BEND" ? Do you even know what shredding is? Shredding doesnt always have to have abazillion bends and pinch harmonics in it. Shredding consists of having absoulutley great acuracy, and fingering to make the notes sound clean as possible by playing something 200 bpm (Sarcasm) If you dont know what most genre's are mostly about, then shutup.
#40
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Why would you name this thread "Shredding" if you'r rant focuses on more genres.
People like what they like, just like how you like one genre, and other people dont. Believe it or not, guitarists who play in punk bands, some are much better than what they show, the only reason they play mostly powerchords is because THEY LIKE WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE. The most amazing shredder can be disguised as a classical blues player.

And, "EPICK BEND" ? Do you even know what shredding is? Shredding doesnt always have to have abazillion bends and pinch harmonics in it. Shredding consists of having absoulutley great acuracy, and fingering to make the notes sound clean as possible by playing something 200 bpm (Sarcasm) If you dont know what most genre's are mostly about, then shutup.


Did you read my whole post? I said EPICK BEND because I was referring to blues, and one of the things I hear people say about blue is "Listen to those bends, they have so much emotion in them!"

If you actually read my post, you will see that I LIKE SHRED A LOT.

classical blues player.

What the fuck is that?
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