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Yeah saw this on the news this morning, wonder whats going to happen
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I wonder how this will affect communism in Cuba, this could mean the beginning of it's end
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I wonder how this will affect communism in Cuba, this could mean the beginning of it's end

I think they have been smart tho with him still being leader for the past 18 months or so while his brother really ran the show, good transition period could make the impact smaller... But it will have a large affect thats for sure.
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I hate Communism (I'm half cuban, 100% americanized)

Castro's death is by no means the end of communism in Cuba =(. His brother Raul Castro is just going to take power. Unless we have a president that finally takes the initiative, lifts the ridiculous embargo on Cuba and steps in in Cuba, it's not going to end for a long time.
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I hate Communism (I'm half cuban, 100% americanized)

Castro's death is by no means the end of communism in Cuba =(. His brother Raul Castro is just going to take power. Unless we have a president that finally takes the initiative, lifts the ridiculous embargo on Cuba and steps in in Cuba, it's not going to end for a long time.


I think just lifting the embargo could possibly do it. I mean right now thats what the governments based on, that america is evil because they are stopping cuba get goods. Really its rediculous, cuba doesnt deserve it and its just helping the government stay in power anyway.
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I think just lifting the embargo could possibly do it. I mean right now thats what the governments based on, that america is evil because they are stopping cuba get goods. Really its rediculous, cuba doesnt deserve it and its just helping the government stay in power anyway.



I concur.
Plus I want some Cuban cigars.

But in all seriousness, most people don't realize that Cuba is actually incredibly advanced as far as 3rd world countries go. I wouldn't even consider it a 3rd World Country. Their healthcare is ridiculously advanced, arguably more advanced than the U.S.
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I was quite surprised by this - i figured he'd just die!


stragegicly(sp?) speaking this is a much better option and Fidel must have realised this
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He wasn't "owned"...he chose to resign.
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My brother woke my up to tell me about this.

I still don't care, and I'm still hella tired.
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I wonder how this will affect communism in Cuba, this could mean the beginning of it's end

Nah I doubt he probs has someone lined up, you never know thpugh, could get better, could get worse.
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#16
I don't get it. Could someone please explain this to me. Why is it that Che Guevera is an international icon and everyone hates Fidel Castro?
#17
Fidel Castro is an icon.
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I don't get it. Could someone please explain this to me. Why is it that Che Guevera is an international icon and everyone hates Fidel Castro?


Because Che was on that shirt and had revolutionary spirit and didnt stay in the government, went off to do more revolutions. But Castro stayed in government. As far as im concerned they are both as bad as each other.
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Nah I doubt he probs has someone lined up, you never know thpugh, could get better, could get worse.


According to BBC news, it's most likely that Raul Castro, Fidel's brother will take over permanently, he's been a temporary leader since Fidel had surgery in 2006. But the government is going to vote on it, and there's speculation that they'll vote for the younger option, the Vice President, whose name I can't remember.

But if it was the beginning of the end of Cuban Communism, that would be good. But as Raul has been pretty much in power for 18 months and has done fine, it doesn't look likely to be over yet.
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I concur.
Plus I want some Cuban cigars.

But in all seriousness, most people don't realize that Cuba is actually incredibly advanced as far as 3rd world countries go. I wouldn't even consider it a 3rd World Country. Their healthcare is ridiculously advanced, arguably more advanced than the U.S.



Communism actually worked there. The rich fled to Miami, and the poor got a better lifestyle.

It is considered a developing country, just like Brazil.

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I find it funny how they completely commercialized a communist idealist. It like raping him in his grave.
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#23
Mmmh seeing how his son is worse than him, and USA may not help them make a democratic place, I doubt that the situation will get better...

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Communism actually worked there. The rich fled to Miami, and the poor got a better lifestyle.

It is considered a developing country, just like Brazil.


I find it funny how they completely commercialized a communist idealist. It like raping him in his grave.


Are you kidding me? I know people who went there.
There're two kind of currencies. One for the Cubans, and one for the tourists. And the Cuban currency doesn't help at all for them. The Cubans basically have to live from the tips of tourists and other things because their basic salary isn't enough.
Do you know how to find eggs over there? And lets not talk about cow meat. It's only for tourists. Cubans could only dream about getting meat in legal ways.
Basically, in Cuba to survive you have to work with tourists, or be in illegal stuff.
Do you know that a bags carrier gets more money than a surgeon over there?

Cuba isn't advanced for a 3rd world country. If you compare it to its surrounding islands, yeah it's extremely advanced. But if you compare it to other 3rd world countries like Argentina, Chile, Brazil, and Russia, it's VERY far from being advanced.

You should read this:
http://www.essortment.com/lifeincuba_rmuy.htm
http://www.cartadecuba.org/Life%20in%20Red.htm
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#24
Man, weird how many people are hating on Fidel, I think he did a good job in maintaining a communist contry for 45 years or so having overthrown the (arguably) worse fascist US puppet dictator there before.

Castro's reforms have provided Cubans with the best healthcare and education in the developing world. And even if the economy is suffering, its hardly surprising seeing as how they've been denied trade by the US since the 60s.

All in all I think Castro succeeded where most would have failed and showed real strength of leadership. (also I did him as 'My Hero' for a GCSE presentation )
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I concur.
Plus I want some Cuban cigars.



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Cuba isn't advanced for a 3rd world country. If you compare it to its surrounding islands, yeah it's extremely advanced. But if you compare it to other 3rd world countries like Argentina, Chile, Brazil, and Russia, it's VERY far from being advanced.



Did u seriously just call Russia 3rd World....?
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Did u seriously just call Russia 3rd World....?


Yes.
Huge crime rates, a lot of poverty, and poor health. That's what I'd call a 3rd world country. Even if in wikipedia it's classified as a 2nd one. I know people that have relatives there and believe me, life there isn't nice.

Just look at these facts.
In 2006 there were born 1.476.200 people, and died 2,165,700.
The average life expectancy for men is 60 years.
The 17,8% lives under the poverty level.
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#28
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Are you kidding me? I know people who went there.
There're two kind of currencies. One for the Cubans, and one for the tourists. And the Cuban currency doesn't help at all for them. The Cubans basically have to live from the tips of tourists and other things because their basic salary isn't enough.
Do you know how to find eggs over there? And lets not talk about cow meat. It's only for tourists. Cubans could only dream about getting meat in legal ways.
Basically, in Cuba to survive you have to work with tourists, or be in illegal stuff.
Do you know that a bags carrier gets more money than a surgeon over there?

Cuba isn't advanced for a 3rd world country. If you compare it to its surrounding islands, yeah it's extremely advanced. But if you compare it to other 3rd world countries like Argentina, Chile, Brazil, and Russia, it's VERY far from being advanced.

You should read this:
http://www.essortment.com/lifeincuba_rmuy.htm
http://www.cartadecuba.org/Life%20in%20Red.htm


It's funny, I've heard from people who went there and I got from them a much more favourable view of the place...

Also, yeah it is hard for them to get meat, there food production is a mess. Also, importing is a bit of a problem!

EDIT: Those links ...whilst may be true... seem to be ignoring how much of that isn't Cuba's (or Castro's) fault at all.

"He, like nearly everyone in Cuba, can’t afford a car. And if he could, he probably wouldn’t be able to find one to buy. The majority of cars owned by Cubans are dilapidated American cars originally built in the 1950s."

Why do you think that is? Funny that they all seem to be from the 1950s....

and "We are only publishers of this material, not authors. Information may have errors or be outdated" yeah, I wonder exactly how much.

And according to your second source the people *do* get fish and meat ;/

I don't know how bad or good everything there is, but I bet it's not as black and white as anyone in this thread is about to make out.
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It's funny, I've heard from people who went there and I got from them a much more favourable view of the place...

Also, yeah it is hard for them to get meat, there food production is a mess. Also, importing is a bit of a problem!

EDIT: Those links ...whilst may be true... seem to be ignoring how much of that isn't Cuba's (or Castro's) fault at all.

"He, like nearly everyone in Cuba, can’t afford a car. And if he could, he probably wouldn’t be able to find one to buy. The majority of cars owned by Cubans are dilapidated American cars originally built in the 1950s."

Why do you think that is? Funny that they all seem to be from the 1950s....

and "We are only publishers of this material, not authors. Information may have errors or be outdated" yeah, I wonder exactly how much.

And according to your second source the people *do* get fish and meat ;/

I don't know how bad or good everything there is, but I bet it's not as black and white as anyone in this thread is about to make out.


The second one is from 10 years ago, though from what the people that went there that I know said, there isn't much difference.
And yes the cars ARE that old because new stuff can't get into Cuba.
Yeah the information over there may not be from a good source, but it concurs with what I was told about Cuba.
And it's true that people can't. With a salary of 8 dollars a month, you too couldn't.
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The second one is from 10 years ago, though from what the people that went there that I know said, there isn't much difference.
And yes the cars ARE that old because new stuff can't get into Cuba.
Yeah the information over there may not be from a good source, but it concurs with what I was told about Cuba.
And it's true that people can't. With a salary of 8 dollars a month, you too couldn't.


I know, and the reason cars can't get into Cuba is probably not Castro's fault.

meh, I refuse to accept anything I hear about Cuba. I've heard from 1st hand sources much better stories about Cuba. So i'm not gonna say anything until it all becomes much clearer.
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I concur.
Plus I want some Cuban cigars.

But in all seriousness, most people don't realize that Cuba is actually incredibly advanced as far as 3rd world countries go. I wouldn't even consider it a 3rd World Country. Their healthcare is ridiculously advanced, arguably more advanced than the U.S.


Yes it is, I'll tell you, I was born on the island and I lived there for quite a while, and honestly the healthcare was among the best, not to mention free. Hell I remember at a blood drive here all my friends were coming out of the bus with those purple things on their arms and complaining that the techs sucked ass and poked them with the needle like 3 times. In Cuba the techs usually got it once, hardly ever slipped, I remember this very well.

And about the cars, its not because they can't get in, its because you need to have a special permit to buy a car down there, that is only reserved to tourists that stay long on the island or people from the embassies, or someone high up in the government, I know this first hand because my grandma was in the military offices back in the late 90's and it hasn't changed since. Its not because can't afford them either. I remember my family members when I was a bit younger telling me about this.
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I hate Communism (I'm half cuban, 100% americanized)

Castro's death is by no means the end of communism in Cuba =(. His brother Raul Castro is just going to take power. Unless we have a president that finally takes the initiative, lifts the ridiculous embargo on Cuba and steps in in Cuba, it's not going to end for a long time.


Capitalist pig! I beleive more in socialism myself. I find it a happy medium between good rights for the working class and a strong economy
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Yes it is, I'll tell you, I was born on the island and I lived there for quite a while, and honestly the healthcare was among the best, not to mention free. Hell I remember at a blood drive here all my friends were coming out of the bus with those purple things on their arms and complaining that the techs sucked ass and poked them with the needle like 3 times. In Cuba the techs usually got it once, hardly ever slipped, I remember this very well.

And about the cars, its not because they can't get in, its because you need to have a special permit to buy a car down there, that is only reserved to tourists that stay long on the island or people from the embassies, or someone high up in the government, I know this first hand because my grandma was in the military offices back in the late 90's and it hasn't changed since. Its not because can't afford them either. I remember my family members when I was a bit younger telling me about this.


Health care isn't measured in how fast the nurses can get you a blood extraction (or however it's called in English).
But just a tip for you. When you have to get blood taken, always pick the oldest nurse available. They usually are the best because of how experienced they are.
Seriously if a nurse has to poke you 3 times then she really has to be new.
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#37
I don't know much about conditions in Cuba, but I do know they've had it tougher than they should've.

I can't believe that embargo is still going on.

America believes in 'liberty' more than anything else, so why the hell are they so intent on opressing others?
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I hate Communism (I'm half cuban, 100% americanized)

Castro's death is by no means the end of communism in Cuba =(. His brother Raul Castro is just going to take power. Unless we have a president that finally takes the initiative, lifts the ridiculous embargo on Cuba and steps in in Cuba, it's not going to end for a long time.


Yeah, but its a step forward.
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Castro and the Cuban government are supported by a large majority of the Cuban people. The fact is that the revolution has done a hell of a lot of good for the Cuban people. It's also interesting to note that for all the allegations of human rights abuses by the Cuban government, they were elected to the U.N. Human Rights Council, however the glowing beacon of democracy and freedom that the United States is purported to be has not. The only human rights violations on Cuban soil are taking place in Guantanamo Bay.
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Castro and the Cuban government are supported by a large majority of the Cuban people. The fact is that the revolution has done a hell of a lot of good for the Cuban people. It's also interesting to note that for all the allegations of human rights abuses by the Cuban government, they were elected to the U.N. Human Rights Council, however the glowing beacon of democracy and freedom that the United States is purported to be has not. The only human rights violations on Cuban soil are taking place in Guantanamo Bay.
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