#1
Okay, how does an effects loop work on an amp? I'm used to going thusly:

Guitar -> Effects pedals -> Amp

So, if I'm using an effects loop, does it go like this:

Guitar -> Amp -> Effects loop out -> Effects -> Effects loop in -> Speaker

Or somesuch?

I'm confused by this.
#3
second diagram is right
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#4
okay well you sort of had it right.
It goes

Guitar -> Preamp -> Effects loop send -> Effects -> Effects loop return -> Power amp
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#5
But if an amp has an effects loop, do you have to use it to utelize effects, or can you still use the "Guitar -> Effect -> Amp" method?

Obviously, you can, but what would the drawbacks be?
#7
Quote by Freunleven
But if an amp has an effects loop, do you have to use it to utelize effects, or can you still use the "Guitar -> Effect -> Amp" method?

Obviously, you can, but what would the drawbacks be?


Yes, What would the drawbacks be?

And also, the guitar goes to the amp, and another cord goes out the amp, through effects, and back in? Thats what Im getting here
#8
Quote by TaintedFearSBT
some effects like chorus and wah are more effective after the preamp

wrong. Wah is supposed to be before the amp. Delay, Chorus, Reverb etc. (echo effects) all sound better when they are applied after the distortion. The effects loop places effects after the preamp, so that these effects will sound better. Keep your overdrives, distortion pedals, and wahs before the amp though.
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#11
So basically, effects that really change the sound before preamp, and echo effects after?
#12
I could be totally wrong but from the research I did when I was faced with this question I thought it was best to put everything except the distortion (and maybe wah?) into the effects loop. I actually read somewhere that putting the distortion in the loop could do some damage to your amp but that could just be people being paranoid.
#13
Distortion before them amp, with the amp on clean, and Wah in the effects loop

No damage will be done with distortion in effects loop, just sounds like poo
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#14
From my research, I've concluded this.

Distortion/Overdrive goes from your guitar into your amp.

Guitar > Wah > Dist/OD > Amp

Then effects, e.g. Reverb, Delay, Chorus, EQ's aswell I think.

FX Loop send > Effects pedals (Not sure what order they go in) > FX Return.

That could be totally wrong because I haven't tried it, but I'm getting an amp with an FX loop soon so this is useful to me as well.
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#15
You don't have to use the effects loop if you don't want to. It's really a matter of opinion. The effects will sound different/stronger/weaker depending on where you put them. So just try both and see which you prefer.

Although, it is normally recommended to put modulation effects like chorus/flange/phase/delay/etc. after distortion/overdrive. So if you're using a distortion pedal through the amp's clean channel, you could put the modulation effects at the end of your effects chain (closest to the amp) between your guitar and the amp - or in the effects loop. And if you're using the amps distortion, it would probably be better to put them in the effects loop, but isn't mandatory.

Keep in mind that most stomp boxes are designed to go between the guitar and amp and will normally seem weaker or less pronounced in the effects loop.

The only effects I normally put in the fx loop are delay, looping, tremolo/vibrato pedals. Everything else, including phaser and chorus up front through the clean channel.
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#17
You can have any effects anywhere, but many people prefer to have stuff such as compressor, wah, and overdrive before the amp, and stuff such as delay, reverb and chorus in the loop. You should experiment and find out how you want them.

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how about eq pedals?

You can have it anywhere, but it will do different things to your tone depending on where you put it. Experiment and see where you find the most use for it.

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So if you're using a distortion pedal through the amp's clean channel, you could put the modulation effects at the end of your effects chain (closest to the amp) between your guitar and the amp - or in the effects loop.

Remember though that many distortion effects and similar will also push the preamp to overdrive.
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Quote by Scenes
how about eq pedals?



It doesn't matter with the EQ, but most prefer the loop
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#20
I've discovered that running thusly:

Guitar -> Dist. Pedal -> Amp -> Send -> Flanger -> Return

works very well. I'm just concerned about using both my Distortion channel on the amp, and my Distortion pedal at the same time. It's not likely to damage anything, is it?

(Paranoid questions from someone who just bought new gear, I know.)

#21
Quote by Freunleven
I've discovered that running thusly:

Guitar -> Dist. Pedal -> Amp -> Send -> Flanger -> Return

works very well. I'm just concerned about using both my Distortion channel on the amp, and my Distortion pedal at the same time. It's not likely to damage anything, is it?

(Paranoid questions from someone who just bought new gear, I know.)




I wouldn't think it likely to harm anything (except ears). Why in the name of all that's holy would you want to run the distortion pedal through the distortion channel?
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#22
^Won't hurt a thing. It's actually common to use both the amps od and one in front to thicken the amps od up.
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#23
Here's how I run mine.
Guitar>Wah>Amp
Effects Send>Delay>Noise Gate>Reverb>Return

Anybody have any suggestions where I should run my whammy? I'm thinking before the delay in the loop.
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#24
Quote by Kevin Saale
^Won't hurt a thing. It's actually common to use both the amps od and one in front to thicken the amps od up.



Meh, I guess it kind of depends on what amp you have... if you have a high gain/dist amp and you're running a distortion (not OD) pedal through it, **** can get fuzzy/muddy/crazy.
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#25
Quote by BleedDeathMetal
Here's how I run mine.
Guitar>Wah>Amp
Effects Send>Delay>Noise Gate>Reverb>Return

Anybody have any suggestions where I should run my whammy? I'm thinking before the delay in the loop.


it's best to put the wah between the guitar and amp, just like you have.
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#26
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it's best to put the wah between the guitar and amp, just like you have.

That's where most people have the wah, but he didn't ask about that, he asked about the whammy

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Anybody have any suggestions where I should run my whammy? I'm thinking before the delay in the loop.

I'd guess that that's where you'll probably end up having the most control with it while still having it give a natural sound. You could even have it before the all others and it should still sound true to what an effect like that "should" sound like, but having it after delay and reverb could give some interesting effects also.