#1
alright so ive got ideas underway for a bass im building soon and someone suggested that i make it headless

what im wondering is would i just put some sort of string holder behind the nut on the neck?

and then mill out a cavity at the back bottom for some tuners? or would that not work at all?

and what kind of bridge-like thing would i use?
#3
Are you going to start a new thread for every tiny thought you have? Seriously.

Study a Steinberger.
#5
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Are you going to start a new thread for every tiny thought you have? Seriously.

Study a Steinberger.


i have studied a steinberger but that doesnt tell me much because i dont know where to find a steinberger bridge...

so i have to do more of a custom idea

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yeah, almost exactly like that, but i meant more of putting the tuners at the tail end and milling a cavity so they'll fit...

so would a 2nd nut on the body work instead of putting a bridge in? cuz it looks like thats what they did
#6
check allparts they have a steinberger style bridge kit
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#7
yeah i checked all parts and its far too expensive, so i think im just gonna use the tuners in the tail idea

i just need to know do i need a bridge? or would a 2nd nut work?
#8
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i just need to know do i need a bridge? or would a 2nd nut work?

Apply some common sense here...please! What can you normally adjust at the bridge?
#9
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yeah i checked all parts and its far too expensive, so i think im just gonna use the tuners in the tail idea

i just need to know do i need a bridge? or would a 2nd nut work?

Just use something like a bass tune-o-matic (possibly THIS one-$20?) and then have the strings go to the tuners
#10
thanks =]

that will work

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Apply some common sense here...please! What can you normally adjust at the bridge?


as for that, why do you have to be such an ass about everything?

what have i done to you? honestly...

the reason i asked is that someone posted a travel guitar without a bridge and a 2nd nut in its place, so while it makes sense to have a bridge i was simply asking due to what ive seen

if you're gonna be rude, and be hateful with every post then i dont want your input...
#11
If you don't want me in your thread suit yourself but it won't help you to have people like me just tell you what to do. I'm encouraging you to look at what you're doing critically and evaluate for yourself why things are done the way they are with instruments and perhaps have a few interesting ideas of your own. If you'd rather just have simple answers then I won't bother.
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If you don't want me in your thread suit yourself but it won't help you to have people like me just tell you what to do. I'm encouraging you to look at what you're doing critically and evaluate for yourself why things are done the way they are with instruments and perhaps have a few interesting ideas of your own. If you'd rather just have simple answers then I won't bother.


its not that you're encouraging me to do things for myself its that you're borderline insulting me, your responses have been helpful in a sense, yes, but dont be so harsh man, im posting in this forum cuz i need help because i dont know what to do about some things, not everyone is an expert luthier
#13
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its not that you're encouraging me to do things for myself its that you're borderline insulting me, your responses have been helpful in a sense, yes, but dont be so harsh man, im posting in this forum cuz i need help because i dont know what to do about some things, not everyone is an expert luthier


smb isn't a master luthier either. He's trying to help you become self sufficient as a person, so you don't have to go around asking for help.

For example, if you'd thought for a second, you would have realised that a bridge is a good idea for adjustment of intonation and action.

So a second bridge is a bad idea.
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#14
does anyone know if they have a 5 string bass tuneomatic bridge? because im having a time from hell trying to find one or something similar
#18
^Where was smb an ass to you?

Well, since you mentioned a "second nut" before- no, the travel guitar doesn't have a second nut where the bridge would normally be. It has one at the ass-end, and an acoustic-style bridge.

As for your request: Here's a fully adjustable 5-string bridge... Sure, it's not a TOM, but it's got holes in the back that you can feed the strings through so you can wrap them around to where the tuners are gonna go, like most other bridges. In fact, any toploaded 5-string bridge will work as long as it's short enough to be practical fro your design. Snoop around.


Advice: Think long and hard about where to position your tuners, and at which angle. You don't want to put them somewhere that'll compromise the structural integrity of the wood, and yuo don't want them poking out the back where your thigh will inevitably brush against them and throw you way out of tune whenever you move.
#19
a steinberger bass bridge would ebay for 50-200 bucks. The model that allows the low string to drop with a flip of a switch would be closer to the 200 dollar mark. the headpiece goes for around 20-50 bucks. the best way to build a custom headless bass is to buy a cheap spirit/hohner or steinberger rip-off bass and gut it for parts.
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#21
yes they use double ball end strings if i remember correctly. cephalidhunter is right though, the cheapest option would probably be ebay a cheap as **** steinberger rip off and gut it for the parts you need
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#22
musicyo.com has steinberger **** cheap
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#23
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yes they use double ball end strings if i remember correctly. cephalidhunter is right though, the cheapest option would probably be ebay a cheap as **** steinberger rip off and gut it for the parts you need


Just asking. How would you string the bass with 2 ball ends?
#24
^There's a nook in the tailpiece tuner for each string's ball end to hook into, so you just hook one end into the headpiece and then pull the string towards the tailpiece and drop the ballpiece at the other end into the nook.

The main advantages to this are that there'll be absolutely no string slippage, and it's easier to make sure you don't twist the string.
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a steinberger bass bridge would ebay for 50-200 bucks. The model that allows the low string to drop with a flip of a switch would be closer to the 200 dollar mark. the headpiece goes for around 20-50 bucks. the best way to build a custom headless bass is to buy a cheap spirit/hohner or steinberger rip-off bass and gut it for parts.


+1. This was exactly what I did for my first guitar project - a headless based on the Klein electric guitar. I picked up a low end Musicyo Steinberger and made use of its neck, bridge and headpiece.

But if you're inventive, you can always come up with your own headless tuning solution. Here are a few articles that may give you some ideas:

A DIY Headless Guitar Tuning System

Make Your Own Headless Guitar Tuners!

The Design of An Ergonomic Bass Guitar


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#27
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thanks...but ive solved my problem

instead of buying a special bridge and headpiece, im making my own =]


That's great. What will you base it on?

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#28
its gonna be a mix between a tuneomatic and a fender style(idk a specific name)

but im making it in machine shop out of steel and ill post pictures when im done