#1
Ok, so I have a TASCAM US-122 USB interface, and I want to use more than two mic's to record simultaneously, what method(s) should/could I go about doing so? Let's just tentatively say that I'd like 4 mic's used, with a budget of $200. However I'm open to more expensive ideas if the ideas are truly worth the expense.

I'm assuming that one method would be to get a mixer? But what would I do with the mixer? Just have it go into one of the inputs on the US-122? What can I do with the other input? Will there be any sacrifice in terms of sound quality for any reason?

Thanks assloads guys
#2
put the four mikes in a mixer, then plug the main outs into the inputs on your interface. that way you can do it in stereo
#4
Well, the inputs will be greater...you want a mixer with four XLR inputs (and therefore mic preamps). The least expensive one by a good brand is this Peavey, ~$80. Alesis, Yamaha, and Samson are other good brands to consider. A $150 Alesis MutliMix 8 that includes some DSP effects and Cubase LE could replace your Tascam.
#6
Would it be more ideal to get a USB mixer like the Alesis to replace the entire interface, or to get a relatively decent mixer like the Yamaha and routing it through the interface?

Thanks again everyone, this is really helpful.
#7
its most ideal to get a firewire mixer since USB units just mix down everything and send it out a single stereo output to the PC which doesnt help with editing...

Look into the Alesis MultiMix 8

If you go for an analog mixer and multi input interface like the M-Audio Delta 44 you would need a mixer with 4 bus outs to feed each input of that interface which gets high in price and would come out to the price of a firewire mixer...

example mixer being the Behringer EURORACK UB2442FX

Firewire interfaces with more than two inputs like the PreSonus FireStudio Project will run around $500.
Last edited by moody07747 at Feb 23, 2008,
#8
My computer doesn't support firewire though...what could I do to make it so?

And what would the difference be between the above option and running an analog mixer into the US-122? Could I not do that with a Yamaha MG?
#9
any PC can support firewire, you just need a cheap card installed first:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815124003

running an analog mixer into your interface will work but it will just mix all the inputs into a single output and so if you wanted to edit or add FX to one source while not messing with the others you would not be able to do that.

Firewire mixers will send each input to its own track.
USB and analog mixers mix down all the inputs to one track.
some analog mixers like the larger behringer I posted will have a few ouputs so you can sub group but you would need more inputs than your interface has still...

Your interface will only take two inputs since its usb...it can't process any more than that.

The next best thing is a firewire mixer.
Last edited by moody07747 at Feb 23, 2008,
#10
Ok, I think I'd like to go the firewire route then. The only thing is that I'm using a laptop...not sure if that would be an issue in installing a firewire card.

And how come the Presonus is so much more expensive than the Alexis? It looks to me like a mixer can do so much more than an interface
#11
they have firewire cards for laptops too:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815104238

That large firewire interface has a great rep., good hardware, great preamps, and loads of features which is why it costs so much. These days you dont need mixers to change levels since mixing is done with your DAW recording software. The only thing that is really needed is a good amount of inputs.

Some will use a control surface to get away from using the mouse all the time but its still software mixing.

Mixers like that small firewire unit I suggested are just a small step down from the larger interface and so you save quite a bit of money while getting a nice input count.
Last edited by moody07747 at Feb 23, 2008,
#12
Quote by moody07747

Mixers like that small firewire unit I suggested are just a small step down from the larger interface and so you save quite a bit of money while getting a nice input count.


But I guess in the long run it would probably be a good idea to go with a multi input interface then?

ps. apparently moody is no less than a god in terms of this stuff
#13
Listen to moody, he won't steer you wrong....

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#14
Actually wait, last night I thought about going the analog direction instead. So what I'd need to do so would be a good soundcard, and a mixer with 4 bus outs like the behringer you posted above? Anything else here?

And am I correct here: if I go this route the channels won't be all mixed in the one signal, and that would I would be able to send each input into their own tracks?

And do they have soundcards for laptops?

edit: damn is moody really banned? I really need some help here...
Last edited by hen at Feb 24, 2008,
#15
Quote by hen
Actually wait, last night I thought about going the analog direction instead. So what I'd need to do so would be a good soundcard, and a mixer with 4 bus outs like the behringer you posted above? Anything else here?

And am I correct here: if I go this route the channels won't be all mixed in the one signal, and that would I would be able to send each input into their own tracks?

And do they have soundcards for laptops?

edit: damn is moody really banned? I really need some help here...


I don't think so, he's been pretty talkative. Still, I'll try to help.

You can have multiple buses that can send individual inputs to each track through a Firewire audio interface, thereby skipping the need to have a sound card.

You could, though, have a mixer with four bus outs and connect each bus to a M-Audio Delta 1010LT. Those mixers can be expensive though...even Behringers.
#16
Wait, are you saying if I got a cheap firewire card, I could just get a firewire interface - which would be as good as and cheaper than getting an soundcard like the M Audio Delta 44 (the one I've been looking at) paired with something like this http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-Eurorack-UB2442FXPRO-Mixer?sku=631230p
or this http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-Eurorack-UB2222FXPRO-Mixer?sku=631231V
#18
Exactly. The sound is taken care of in the interface itself. And since it works off Firewire, it may work with your laptop, if it has that connection obviously. Try to get a Firewire card with 1394b, since that's the faster interface.

Since your standards are fairly high, this is the cheapest thing I could find...but it's $380. If you are willing to go high end, a Presonus Firestudio, considered one of the best gear for 2008 by Emusician, will probably never be outdated until you go pro and hunger for gear like the RME 800. It'll offer 8 outputs out, and can be controlled from within your computer or with a control surface.
Last edited by Fast_Fingers at Feb 24, 2008,
#19
That Edirol only has two inputs though...

edit
what would your verdict be on:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16839104010
plus
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/PreSonus-FireStudio-Project?sku=241723

Actually is it relaly necessary to shell out hte extra 70 bucks or so for a 1394b card? Is it
a really drastic difference for the 20 dollar 1394 card? Is it just like USB 1.1 VS USB 2.0?
Last edited by hen at Feb 24, 2008,
#20
Quote by hen
That Edirol only has two inputs though...


Hence me saying you'll need a mike preamp for the analog inputs in the back.

And that setup looks good. Looking at the rear of the Project, it appears to be 1394a (since the plugs are rounded off) so you can downgrade without a problem. The only difference I could figure out is that the normal Firestudio has more digital I/O, which you don't need.
Last edited by Fast_Fingers at Feb 24, 2008,
#22
Sure...just get the right cable. I'm pretty sure one will do (usually the second Firewire is to link additional identical interfaces)...if not, you can get the PCMCIA card later.
#25
Ok I came across some alternatives that maybe cheaper. But I'd just like to know the difference between the following:

Presonus FP10 - http://www.presonus.com/products/Detail.aspx?ProductId=3
Presonus FireStudio http://www.presonus.com/products/Detail.aspx?ProductId=5
Presonus Firestudio Project - http://www.presonus.com/products/Detail.aspx?ProductId=43

And I know I already sent you a message Fast Fingers...but just in case you were one of those dudes that don't check their messages...I know I never do.