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#1
So there's this song in the key of G. The chords being played are E5 followed by C5. The guitars are tuned down a half step.

Now...I thought I be able to solo over this using the G minor pentatonic (original, I know ), since it's in the key of G. This would mean the type 1 box would start at the root note, G, at the 4th fret, e string.

However, it sounds awful.

What am I doing wrong?

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#2
Try picking the right scale. How did you come to pick G minor?
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#4
The guitars are tuned down therefore the root note you are starting on is different, could that be it?
#6
How do arrive at picking a 'correct' scale?

Sorry, I'm a noob at theory...

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Quote by pepsi1187
and if your playing E and C.. then why are you playing G.

Maybe because its in the key of G
#9
If you are playing E and C its in Eminor or Gmajor...and the 4th fret is a Gsharp..so u would need to start on the 3rd fret...
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Quote by Bigdave9576
If you are playing E and C its in Eminor or Gmajor...and the 4th fret is a Gsharp..so u would need to start on the 3rd fret...


Tuned half step down.

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E minor is exactly the same scale positions as Gmajor..dont listen to that guy.....u just have to resolve onto different notes
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Yeah but your rhythm guitar is also tuned half a step down no? so u dont need to compensate for it with the lead guitar
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4th fret would =G and 5th would b G#
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E minor is exactly the same scale positions as Gmajor..dont listen to that guy.....u just have to resolve onto different notes


Scales aren't positions, they're collections of notes. E minor and G major have completely different intervals and completely different tonal centers. They are not the same thing.
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E minor is not the same as G major. Seriously, whoever thinks otherwise is a tool. Use the searchbutton if you want to know why because I'm getting sick and tired of explaining it.

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Quote by Bigdave9576
E minor is exactly the same scale positions as Gmajor..dont listen to that guy.....u just have to resolve onto different notes
If you're referring to me: Scales are not positions you dumb fucking fucky fuck! E Minor and G major are very very different.

If you're not referring to me: You're still not right, but my apologies for the mean-speak.
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Quote by Bigdave9576
Yeah but your rhythm guitar is also tuned half a step down no? so u dont need to compensate for it with the lead guitar


There aren't really any rhythm guitars. Just 2 lead, tuned half step down.

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Is the song just E5 and G5? If so, you're in E minor, not G major, and they're most definately NOT the same.



E minor and G major are the same thing buddy... read a book.

and E5 isnt E minor. there aint no indication anywhere that its in the key of G. . added to the fact that your playing E and C
#20
Of course they are not the same things theoretically..but to someone who is new to guitar...if he plays the same scale boxes (the E minor ones) then he will be exactly in key for Gmajor.....dont over complicate it...damnit
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Quote by pepsi1187

and E5 isnt E minor. there aint no indication anywhere that its in the key of G. . added to the fact that your playing E and C


Doesn't one sharp symbol on the staff mean it's in the key of G?

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Of course they are not the same things theoretically..but to someone who is new to guitar...if he plays the same scale boxes (the E minor ones) then he will be exactly in key for Gmajor.....dont over complicate it...damnit


We're not over complicating it, you're just dumbing it down to such a ridiculous extreme that it's no longer accurate.
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#23
They're not the same things in practice, either. They're very different in application, even though they contain the same notes.

TS, anything you consider to be a G major scale position, you can use. You'll just find yourself resolving to E more than G.

I'm not even going to respond to the ignorance of that Pepsi guy.
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Quote by pepsi1187
E minor and G major are the same thing buddy... read a book.

and E5 isnt E minor. there aint no indication anywhere that its in the key of G. . added to the fact that your playing E and C


All I have to say is wow. Just because two scales have the same notes do not make them the same thing!!! The major scale has completely different intervals than the minor scale.
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E minor and G major are the same thing buddy


G major is built with intervals of a major second, a major third, a perfect fourth, a perfect fifth, a major sixth, and a major seventh.

E minor is built with intervals of a major second, a minor third, a perfect fourth, a perfect fifth, a minor sixth, and a minor seventh.

How in the cold, blue hell are they same thing?
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#26
Quote by bangoodcharlote

TS, anything you consider to be a G major scale position, you can use. You'll just find yourself resolving to E more than G.


How could I use the minor pent? Just use G as the root note?

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Quote by Volta_91
How could I use the minor pent? Just use G as the root note?
You wouldn't want to use the G minor pentatonic. You could use the E minor pentatonic in any position on the neck. Anywhere the notes E G A B D appear, they are part of the E minor pentatonic.
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Solo in G major, if you want to use some pentatonic type riffs just throw them in in the dorian or phrygian mode of the G major (ionian) scale.
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Quote by bangoodcharlote
You wouldn't want to use the G minor pentatonic. You could use the E minor pentatonic in any position on the neck. Anywhere the notes E G A B D appear, they are part of the E minor pentatonic.


Ok, Thanks.

So, how would I figure out what to use as the root note in the minor pentatonic if the key was A, or B?

Do you have to look at the key signature or the chords being played?

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#32
Quote by pepsi1187
E minor and G major use the same exact notes ... bottom line.


They have completely different intervals and completely different tonal centers, and are used in completely different situations.

Sarcastic analogy: Two paintings use the same colors, ergo, they are both the same painting.

Dumbass.

their relative to each other.. if anyone knows what that means


We all know what that means. You clearly don't.
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#33
but their the same notes man.

i mean if you were playing in G major. the whole patterns and intervals in the E minor scale is applicable to that
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Quote by pepsi1187
but their the same notes man.


*sigh*

Completely different intervals, completely different tonal centers, completely different situations. They are not even remotely similar.

Stop ****ing double posting. It doesn't take an entirely new post to say "that's all im sayin". We know that's what you're saying...you said it. We can read.
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Quote by pepsi1187
but their the same notes man.

i mean if you were playing in G major. the whole patterns and intervals in the E minor scale is applicable to that


Yes, but if it's in G major, then you aren't using E minor, you're using G major,
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#37
So, how would I figure out what to use as the root note in the minor pentatonic if the key was A, or B?

Do you have to look at the key signature or the chords being played?

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#38
Quote by Volta_91
Do you have to look at the key signature or the chords being played?
You can do it just by looking at the chords, but the key signature helps a lot as well.
#39
The misinformation, and then pwnage, in this topic is hilarious.

E minor =/= G major.
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Quote by Archeo Avis
They have completely different intervals and completely different tonal centers, and are used in completely different situations.

Sarcastic analogy: Two paintings use the same colors, ergo, they are both the same painting.

Dumbass.


We all know what that means. You clearly don't.

he isn't a dumbass because he's not educated in music theory, get over yourself.

However, listen to Archeo and Bangoodcharolet

I think completly differently when i'm dealing with minors as opposed to majors
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