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#1
Hi

I recently looked at the "metalcore collab"-thread, that by chance happened to be bumped again today. I noticed that user "-Sidewinder-" took his part straight from my song "Twisted Remains" (and I don't mean "inspired", I mean straight copypasta), which I posted almost 2 years ago over at mysongbook.com (see comment dates for verification)

So I looked at all the threads he posted
( https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/search.php?searchid=1108086 ) and found out this was not a singular incident. Below are all the plagiarisms I found so far . I strongly suspect that some more of his posted songs are ripoffs, but hey I can't remember every song I've heard. I'll notify the forums of mysongbook.com, maybe some more composers of them will recognize their work.


The case is pretty much clear: with that much material from multiple composers there's not much to excuse: No, you can't be related to all of them, no you can't live in england, sweden and canada at the same time, no a mistaken file may happen once but not 8+ times, etc...

So without further ado, here's what I found so far. Listen and compare:

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"Metalcore Collab Thread"
http://ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=633281&page=2&pp=20
File: CollabsongFINAL
What stolen ? - Bar 62-73

Where stolen ?:
MY Song: Ailes du Serpent - "Twisted Remains"
http://mysongbook.com/tab-tab_list-id_tablature=65416.htm

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"Avenged Sevenfold Style"
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=708618
File: Song30
What stolen ? - Intro, Chorus, Solo, last Verse

Where stolen ?
MY Song: Ailes du Serpent - "Once and for all"
http://mysongbook.com/tab-tab_list-id_tablature=67161.htm

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"In Flames Style"
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=530328
File: Song 16
What Stolen: Complete Song

Where stolen ?
Latura - "Take A Chance"
http://mysongbook.com/tab-tab_list-id_tablature=65698.htm

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"Intense Metal"
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=570480
File: New Metal Song
What stolen ? - Complete song

Where stolen ?
Jack Thorp - A Dreamstate Solitude
http://mysongbook.com/tab-tab_list-id_tablature=28550.htm

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"A real Song"
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=729341
File: Song 31
What stolen ? - Intro, Outro

Where stolen ?
December Falls - Geisha
http://mysongbook.com/tab-tab_list-id_tablature=37985.htm

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"New Metal Song"
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=507932
File: Song 13
What stolen ? - Clean Verse Riff

Where stolen ?
Latura - "Funeral of the Sacred"
http://mysongbook.com/tab-tab_list-id_tablature=66402.htm

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"Heavy Metal"
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=651113
File: Song 27
What stolen ? - Complete Song

Where Stolen ?
My Song: Ailes du Serpent - "Twisted Remains"
http://mysongbook.com/tab-tab_list-id_tablature=65416.htm

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"Back to Original"
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=616940
File: Song 25
What stolen ? - Complete Song

Where Stolen ?
ProFiction - "Eternal AD"
http://mysongbook.com/tab-tab_list-id_tablature=35706.htm

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edit:
addition - new stolen songs found by *jester*
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Found some more of his stolen songs:

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Bert Orvar
http://www.mysongbook.com/tab-tab_l...ature=16476.htm

Stolen directly to create:
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...ad.php?t=605531

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Another really bad old song of mine:
http://www.mysongbook.com/tab-tab_l...ature=31486.htm

Stolen here:
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...ad.php?t=609159

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Normally I'd just notify the mods and the user in private, but I think this is something all should know. I don't like it when other people parade my and other songs around and get mad props "dude ur song is soooo cooool!!11!", and the true composers don't get any credit.
It already happened to me once that a anglo-canadian metalcore band tried to ripoff my song without any credits or contact (see http://mysongbook.com/forum-posts-id_topic=31577.htm if anyone cares for that story) - it'd be ironic if that'd be the same guy, as they also ripped other composers' songs from mysongbook. I just found out later because they even had the nerve to keep it the same song title.

Anyway, thanks for your attention. Bye



Edit: "-Sidewinder-" is aware of this callout and seems to be editing stuff. I suggest looking and comparing the evidence for yourself now before it's gone
Last edited by Ailes at Feb 27, 2008,
#2
Good searching and well noticed.

However, unless the songs are copyrighted, there's not a lot anyone can do.
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#3
do you have the material copyrighted? if not then tough luck.
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#7
what a scumbag. who does that
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#8
Jokes on him because he chose to steal some really **** old songs of mine, so if he cant even write anything better than those old crap songs then there is really no hope for him.
#9
"However, unless the songs are copyrighted, there's not a lot anyone can do."
"do you have the material copyrighted? if not then tough luck"

I always fill out the F5-songinfo in GP (which he erased, by the way). I don't seek any legal action, I just want to bring attention to this and bring the credits and acclaim from his works to the people who really deserve it, the original composers.
What happens to him here is not in my infuence and not of my concern, it's just about the audience who should know who composed the songs they might like


"Lets hear sidewinders end of the story "

There is not much to hear. There are so many cases of plagiarizing from multiple composers, from lifted passages to whole songs, that there aren't many excuses. No, he can't BE all of them, can he ? He also can't know all of them (most probably doesn't know any of them). And a "mistake", for example you save another song in your own composition-folder, may happen ONCE but not 8+ times


Edit: If you want to look and compare the songs for yourself, I suggest doing it fast now. Some people will try to cover their tracks and edit stuff out, in cases like this
Last edited by Ailes at Feb 27, 2008,
#10
yeah i see on the first two he took your chorus and turned it into like a whole song. He also took the solo and such. Witch sux cause he should create hes own stuff . Well hopefully he posts back with one hell of an explanation like maybe he was drunk
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Last edited by Jonathan Trejo at Feb 27, 2008,
#11
"like maybe he was drunk "

with that amount of copypasta he must be an alcoholic at least ..
#12
They need a law against surfing the internet drunk =P . Sorry to hear that, I actually critiqued a couple of those songs for him >_> . Can't wait to hear his side... if he decides to show up.
#14
It seems to be always Canadians who steal music as well.

Some Canadian dude recorded one of my songs once and claimed it was his, and then a Canadian band ripped off Ailes song, and now this joker Sidewinder who looks like he is from Canada stolen loads of peoples tunes.

There is a pattern emerging!
#15
Anglo-Canadians nothing against Québécois

@Forum: Who is the responsible moderator I can write a message ?
Last edited by Ailes at Feb 27, 2008,
#17
Found some more of his stolen songs:


Bert Orvar
http://www.mysongbook.com/tab-tab_list-id_tablature=16476.htm

Stolen directly to create:
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=605531

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Another really bad old song of mine:
http://www.mysongbook.com/tab-tab_list-id_tablature=31486.htm

Stolen here:
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=609159

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Haha man, these songs were submitted to mysongbook 4/5 years ago!

He must be fairly stupid to have thought that nobody from mysongbook would download one of "his" songs and recognise it!
#18
Wow.
What a DICK!.
I thought Sidewinder was a good composer, but it looks like he was just a fraud.
Sonofabitch.

Ailes, if I were you, I would be soo pissed.
I'd break his face if I could

Oh, and your songs are excellent
EDIT: Jester, your songs kick ass too.
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#19
"Ailes, if I were you, I would be soo pissed. I'd break his face if I could.
Oh, and your songs are excellent "


Thanks. I feel no ill will - stuff like this is to be expected.
This isn't about me, this is about you, the audience. The dude here got mad props for stuff he didn't do, and no one would know the original composers (and more of their good work).
"I thought Sidewinder was a good composer, but it looks like he was just a fraud." - That's why I made a callout thread instead of settling this in private, as I saw how much ripoff and false acclaim was going on.

@*jester*: thanks for the info, I updated the OP

and again, @Forum: can anybody direct me to the responsible mod for this matter ?
#20
This user should be banned, this is stupid and disgusting, theres not even any reason to steal for this site other than personal fame.
Please ban him, if there is any justice.
Also to everyone who had **** stolen, your GP4 files or whatever should all have a "Date created" thingo which will prove you made it and not him.
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#21
"Also to everyone who had **** stolen, your GP4 files or whatever should all have a "Date created" thingo which will prove you made it and not him."

I filled out my F5-Songinfo in my GP-files. He simply erased it.

Mysongbook.com logs the date when the original files were uploaded, etc. and the "comment"-section of the stolen songs I've linked to is time-stamped as well. So everyone can see for themselves who was earlier and who stole. The case is really clear, and there is no excuse for stealing this many songs in such a blatant way
#22
I know I have no business doing anything in this thread.

but the user on mysongbook - bfmv, took riffs from Twisted Remains for his band, Arise.
#23
"I know I have no business doing anything in this thread.
but the user on mysongbook - bfmv, took riffs from Twisted Remains for his band, Arise."



With permission. We know each other from the forums and collaborated sometimes (as seen in the other song "Once and for all" (check songinfo - everythings cool) ) - see that's how things like sharing songs should work

But good to see the internet detectives are in full gear here

edit: cool band, yours, btw
Last edited by Ailes at Feb 27, 2008,
#24
It seems to be always Canadians who steal music as well.

So two jerks labels all Canadians?

I don't agree with what this guy did. Posting other peoples music to claim it's your own is just sad.
#25
"So two jerks labels all Canadians?"

Of course not It's just funny that me and jester were ripped off by canadians, twice.


Oh and to add insult to injury:
"-Sidewinder-" wrote:

"Lol I don't wanna be an ass, but a lot of stuff isn't worth stealing from here...well not full songs anyways, but there are some cool riffs in everyone's songs "

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8567641&postcount=6

Lol, well at least he found enough to steal on mysongbook.
#29
I also smell jealousy all over his post =P . It's too bad that there are people like that in our world.
#30
For future reference, there may be some more caution needed if a composers work is uneven. If someone just posted an 10min epic and his next song is a crappy dud, or if a song sounds really great but then a passage seems off-place (I noticed several instances where he tried to "improve" the stolen songs by mixing in some new stuff that is off-key and out of place). Or when people seem to pump out too many songs too fast. Usually accomplished composers develop a recognizable style.

Well, anyway, no one could really know beforehand. Just skimming through his old threads and looking at all the false praise he sacked ("wow dude great song you're my favorite composer!!11!") makes me think about calling him out in every of his stolen songs, thus bumping it to the frontpage so the people are no longer fooled. Anyways..

If I may repeat my question again: how and where can I report this matter to the responsible moderators ?
Or is it enough to wait, let them discover the callout here by themselves and let them do their ban-work then accordingly ?

And just for the fun of it: Does anybody has "-Sidewinders-" contact info ? He might be busy cookin' up some excuses for his 'friends-circle' right now, doesn't seem to want to post here, so it might be interesting to talk


He almost got called out on his ripoff of my song here
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=651113
Unfortunately noone bothered to check post-dates and ask
some follow-up questions (not that sidewinder posted in that thread again, also), so it was back to arse-licking as usual
#31
wow ****, I used to be in his band!
I should go punch him in the face right now...jesus christ
how'd you find out about this man?
#32
"wow ****, I used to be in his band!
I should go punch him in the face right now...jesus christ
how'd you find out about this man?"


It's in the OP. He participated with a copypasta of my song in the "metal collab"-thread that was bumped to the front again today. I checked the song out, recognized his part as lifted straight from my song (I've so far posted only 2 original songs onto the web, and all of them have been plagiarized several times by now - so I recognize what my parts are).
Looked through his other posts, saw LOTS of other plagiarisms, made a callout...

He seems to be clamping down now, editing and all. You used to be in his band, you say ? Interesting. Did he have any skills of his own? Usually creative and accomplished people don't need to resort to stealing.
And as I said before, I'd be rather interested in his contact info, just for the fun of talking
#33
It's wierd, he never brought any of this stuff to practices he usually had his own style which was pretty good not sure why he wouldn't just send those tabs to this site
I haven't talked to him in a while but I'm assuming since he's not posting he knows what's going on and he probably won't talk you anyways lol but I'll look for his contact info anyways
#34
good find
dude, what about an actual solo in death metal instead of that poof from linkin park. Think of Pulse of the Maggots - Bed Of Razors


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#35
Sidewinder is one of the best composer's around here.

It seems you've went through WAY too much trouble over this.
I'm a person.
#36
"Sidewinder is one of the best composer's around here."

To everybody: see, this is why I'm doing this public. This dude stole almost a dozen confirmed songs. You can compare for yourself, list is in the OP, if you feel any need to 'defend' him.
The stolen songs made up basically half of his whole repertoire, and I strongly suspect some other songs are also yet unconfirmed steals. And it's these good songs other people worked very hard on, he took and paraded as his own here and got some to think of him as "one of the best composers".
If anyone is a great composer, it's the original creators. And good composers don't need to resort to stealing, I guess.


"It seems you've went through WAY too much trouble over this."


Care to explain what you mean with this ? Searching, comparing, and confirming his stolen songs took me just half an hour, and wasn't "trouble" at all.
Last edited by Ailes at Feb 28, 2008,
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Sidewinder is one of the best composer's around here.

It seems you've went through WAY too much trouble over this.


If you actually listened to the songs stated, the sections and songs he lifted are EXACTLY the same.

There's really no defending him....
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#39
Ok he can explain himself in the FOTB.
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#40
"He participated with a copypasta of my song in the "metal collab"-thread that was bumped to the front again today."

Yay I had my part in this (I bumped the thread)

Also any creative work is copyrighted automatically under the Berne Convention so you could take this to court if you wanted to.
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