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#1
So the other day two friends and I went to the mall to get a friend of ours' a birthday present. He's a beatles lover, so we tried to find some beatles stuff. we eventually ran out of stores, so I suggested to see if Spencers had anything. While browsing through their collection of key chain vibrators and "blow me" t-shirts, i looked to my side and saw a group of 4-5 year olds with their mom walk by. I couldn't believe that any parent would take their young kids into a place like that. I myself think that a lot of the stuff in there (eg the keychain vibrators and blow me shirts) go too far. Anyone else agree?
#2
People aren’t very nice to each other anymore.

When I was a lad there could be civil discourse among people who held differing views. It seems to have disappeared along with some other virtues that have been consigned to the dust-bin of the past.

What happened while we weren't looking? I don't know for sure, and there probably isn't just one simple answer, but the world of sports might provide some clues.

The "trash talking" on the basketball courts and the football fields has entered the mainstream. It’s no longer possible to hear a dialogue between a republican and a democrat without hearing bi-lateral ad hominem attacks. And I’m talking about folks chatting over dinner, not just the professional pols on Crossfire on CNN.

I recall being at a hockey game in Los Angeles, when the great Wayne Gretzky still played for Edmonton. I remember being aghast as most of the 16,005 fans chanted in unison, "Gretzky Sucks, Gretzky Sucks!" I watched the fathers leading their sons in the chant. The display carried the imprimatur of the sponsoring arena, and the full-piped accompaniment of the house organist.

It was sad to witness such a display of bad manners, bad sportsmanship, and bad parenting. But I couldn’t stand up and implore the masses to come to their senses, to remember their manners. It would have been as daft as holding my hands up to stop an avalanche.

What happened to civility? Is it just another casualty in a world of losses?

To get the bad taste out of my mouth, I often watch the televised replay of Prime Minister’s Questions from the English House of Commons. The height of civility breathes its last in that hall. Good manners abound at absurd but delicious extremes. A Member often starts a sentence on Tuesday and finishes it on Wednesday. I have watched in awe, one of those polite meanderings, which never makes a personal assault, yet contains a withering condemnation of a belief or a principle.

"Would the right honorable gentleman, given his penchant for the occasional embellishment, and in light of the recent unpleasantries caused by his mis-guided vote on the matter of welfare for recumbent hedgehogs, whilst at the same time holding a view that might well have held sway in centuries past, be inclined to grant that the subject in question, though exhausted by debate, is one which the right honorable gentleman might consider, given that the lateness of the hour precludes further research, and might imply that the honorable member was willing to allow an emotional consideration into this matter.....?"

What’d he say? I dunno - but I sure like the polite way he said it.

The last act of public gentility I witnessed was the vice-presidential debate between Senator Joe Lieberman and Dick Cheney. Now there was some civility. There was honorable discourse. There was rapier like jousting with thrusting and parrying a plenty, but no personal slander. No "Cheney sucks." No "Joe’s a jerk." None of that.

The current plague of incivility seems to be a causal element in ratcheting up the rhetoric that leads to bloody action. The national and international political scenes are proof enough of that. Tough times for honorable people. It’s no longer acceptable to be agreeably dis-agreeable. From discussions on smoking to abortion to religion to politics, there is no longer any reason or reasonability. It’s my way or you’re dead wrong - or just plain dead.

Two nights ago the local nightly news reported an argument following a fender-bender that ended in a fatal shooting.

There is no more civility, there are just more funerals. The dead people are very dead, and will stay that way. When are the rest of us going to wake up?

Where in the hell has civility gone? Civility is dead and so are more and more people who have died because we have lost the ability to talk to each other.

We live in the age of communication, yet there is none.

If Jerry Springer has become the father of modern communication, then I'd rather be an orphan.
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#4
Doesn't matter to me. They'll learn those kinds of things later in life anyways.
#6
I always smell something weird whenever I enter and leave Spencer's.
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#11
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Doesn't matter to me. They'll learn those kinds of things later in life anyways.

kids that young aren't mentally ready for sex. every kid i've known that got into sexual things (not necessarily acts) when tehy were young ended up messed up when they were older.

@Wemonir, did you type that all up? O_o

4-5 year olds are NOT going be traumatised or become deliquents because of t-shirts and keychains that they have no concept of the meaning of.

Well it'sn ot just that. They have a ton of stuff, including pornographic posters. It's just the fact that a parent would take their kid into such an environment that I found terrible.
#12
Well I doubt the kids understood what they were seeing, but it's not right or responsible to expose them to it.
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#14
There are people being slaughtered and humiliated all over the world, and you're worried about a few kids seeing a shirt with two words they won't possibly comprehend until they're older?
#15
^ @ cnd

There are people being slaughtered and humiliated all over the world, and you're worried about a few kids seeing a shirt with two words they won't possibly comprehend until they're older?

so because tehre are big problems in the world we can't make issues out of anything less? And it wasn't just tshirts and keychains like i said. It was the blatant disregard by their mother.
#16
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I always smell something weird whenever I enter and leave Spencer's.


+10

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kids that young aren't mentally ready for sex. every kid i've known that got into sexual things (not necessarily acts) when tehy were young ended up messed up when they were older.


Parents need to PROPERLY teach their children about sex when they're young, or else they'll see stuff like this and have no idea how to handle, and when they grow older they know all this stuff but not how to properly handle it. They make books about sex to use for teaching young children, I learned about it when I was around 8 and I'm fine.

Seriously, sex is natural and there's nothing wrong with it. It's letting 6 year olds play Grand Theft Auto and watch Freddy Kruger movies that's bad parenting.
#17
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+10


Parents need to PROPERLY teach their children about sex when they're young, or else they'll see stuff like this and have no idea how to handle, and when they grow older they know all this stuff but not how to properly handle it. They make books about sex to use for teaching young children, I learned about it when I was around 8 and I'm fine.

Seriously, sex is natural and there's nothing wrong with it. It's letting 6 year olds play Grand Theft Auto and watch Freddy Kruger movies that's bad parenting.

yeah, kids should be told when they're at the right age. i don't think 5 years of age or less is the right age.
#18
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There are people being slaughtered and humiliated all over the world, and you're worried about a few kids seeing a shirt with two words they won't possibly comprehend until they're older?

this is the reason why people are being slaughtered. bad parenting
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#19
What is Spencers? I'm from Canada, i've never heard of it.

But on the same level, I've also seen kids with their parents in stores that they really shouldn't be in...
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#20
I think I was the only one who actually read Wemonir's post instead of pointing out it's enormous size. Yeah, although you put it extremely formally, I'd agree with you Wem except for this. Generations are always told "We had better morals back in my days." Oh really? Back when civil rights were a joke? Or perhaps we should go back to when women had no rights? Or maybe when slavery was still a big factor? It goes on and on, each generation is as corrupt as the last we just find new ways to show it.
#21
Quote by GuitarManiac09
I think I was the only one who actually read Wemonir's post instead of pointing out it's enormous size. Yeah, although you put it extremely formally, I'd agree with you Wem except for this. Generations are always told "We had better morals back in my days." Oh really? Back when civil rights were a joke? Or perhaps we should go back to when women had no rights? Or maybe when slavery was still a big factor? It goes on and on, each generation is as corrupt as the last we just find new ways to show it.

Yep, exactly.
#22
Quote by adamk991100
What is Spencers? I'm from Canada, i've never heard of it.

But on the same level, I've also seen kids with their parents in stores that they really shouldn't be in...



Spencer's is the pimple of every mall in America.
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#23
Quote by adamk991100
What is Spencers? I'm from Canada, i've never heard of it.

But on the same level, I've also seen kids with their parents in stores that they really shouldn't be in...


Quote by wemonir
spencers is just a really stupid store


That sums it up.
#24
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this is the reason why people are being slaughtered. bad parenting

#26
Quote by wemonir
People aren’t very nice to each other anymore.

When I was a lad there could be civil discourse among people who held differing views. It seems to have disappeared along with some other virtues that have been consigned to the dust-bin of the past.

What happened while we weren't looking? I don't know for sure, and there probably isn't just one simple answer, but the world of sports might provide some clues.

The "trash talking" on the basketball courts and the football fields has entered the mainstream. It’s no longer possible to hear a dialogue between a republican and a democrat without hearing bi-lateral ad hominem attacks. And I’m talking about folks chatting over dinner, not just the professional pols on Crossfire on CNN.

I recall being at a hockey game in Los Angeles, when the great Wayne Gretzky still played for Edmonton. I remember being aghast as most of the 16,005 fans chanted in unison, "Gretzky Sucks, Gretzky Sucks!" I watched the fathers leading their sons in the chant. The display carried the imprimatur of the sponsoring arena, and the full-piped accompaniment of the house organist.

It was sad to witness such a display of bad manners, bad sportsmanship, and bad parenting. But I couldn’t stand up and implore the masses to come to their senses, to remember their manners. It would have been as daft as holding my hands up to stop an avalanche.

What happened to civility? Is it just another casualty in a world of losses?

To get the bad taste out of my mouth, I often watch the televised replay of Prime Minister’s Questions from the English House of Commons. The height of civility breathes its last in that hall. Good manners abound at absurd but delicious extremes. A Member often starts a sentence on Tuesday and finishes it on Wednesday. I have watched in awe, one of those polite meanderings, which never makes a personal assault, yet contains a withering condemnation of a belief or a principle.

"Would the right honorable gentleman, given his penchant for the occasional embellishment, and in light of the recent unpleasantries caused by his mis-guided vote on the matter of welfare for recumbent hedgehogs, whilst at the same time holding a view that might well have held sway in centuries past, be inclined to grant that the subject in question, though exhausted by debate, is one which the right honorable gentleman might consider, given that the lateness of the hour precludes further research, and might imply that the honorable member was willing to allow an emotional consideration into this matter.....?"

What’d he say? I dunno - but I sure like the polite way he said it.

The last act of public gentility I witnessed was the vice-presidential debate between Senator Joe Lieberman and Dick Cheney. Now there was some civility. There was honorable discourse. There was rapier like jousting with thrusting and parrying a plenty, but no personal slander. No "Cheney sucks." No "Joe’s a jerk." None of that.

The current plague of incivility seems to be a causal element in ratcheting up the rhetoric that leads to bloody action. The national and international political scenes are proof enough of that. Tough times for honorable people. It’s no longer acceptable to be agreeably dis-agreeable. From discussions on smoking to abortion to religion to politics, there is no longer any reason or reasonability. It’s my way or you’re dead wrong - or just plain dead.

Two nights ago the local nightly news reported an argument following a fender-bender that ended in a fatal shooting.

There is no more civility, there are just more funerals. The dead people are very dead, and will stay that way. When are the rest of us going to wake up?

Where in the hell has civility gone? Civility is dead and so are more and more people who have died because we have lost the ability to talk to each other.

We live in the age of communication, yet there is none.

If Jerry Springer has become the father of modern communication, then I'd rather be an orphan.


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Quote by wemonir
spencers is just a really stupid store


and this post will never be known.
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#27
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There's definitely truth in that though...


Sure, bad parenting is definitely a considerable contribution, but to point the finger at a single group of people would be naive. Especially to say that a child seeing a t-shirt would later become a mass murderer because of it.

Walk up to a child of 4-5 years and say "blow me". They will look at you in utter confusion.
#28
Quote by wemonir
I recall being at a hockey game in Los Angeles, when the great Wayne Gretzky still played for Edmonton. I remember being aghast as most of the 16,005 fans chanted in unison, "Gretzky Sucks, Gretzky Sucks!" I watched the fathers leading their sons in the chant. The display carried the imprimatur of the sponsoring arena, and the full-piped accompaniment of the house organist.

It was sad to witness such a display of bad manners, bad sportsmanship, and bad parenting. But I couldn’t stand up and implore the masses to come to their senses, to remember their manners. It would have been as daft as holding my hands up to stop an avalanche.


Sadly, that happens over here too. Many a time have I been to a football (you'd call it soccer) game, and heard such delightful chants as "the referee's a wanker."

Whoever the official was, was doing his job. Maybe he made a mistake, but we have to consider that his decision was made in the heat of the moment, and he doesn't have all the fancy replay angles that we do. If somebody was working in a resturaunt, and they made a mistake such as dropping a plate, would these people get up and start yelling "the waiters a wanker"?

And furthermore, no matter if it's cricket, golf, football, rugby, or chess, it's only a game.

Oddly enough though, whenever I see clips of the discussion in parliament on the news, there always seems to be yelling going on. Perhaps you get the more cheerful footage over there?
#29
Quote by Paquijón
Sure, bad parenting is definitely a considerable contribution, but to point the finger at a single group of people would be naive. Especially to say that a child seeing a t-shirt would later become a mass murderer because of it.

Walk up to a child of 4-5 years and say "blow me". They will look at you in utter confusion.

yeah, and I didn't say that every kid that would be exposed to sexuality early would be weird and messed up. My point though is that it's the parents' job to protect their children from what they shouldn't be exposed to at their age.
#30
Man, I once saw some fat lady with her five-year-old buying a candy thong in spencer gifts.
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#31
A lot of parents with younger children are still likely to be immature enough to actually like Spenser's. Not that I think that it's the right thing to do, but their kids have to do something while they shop. I wouldn't be so quick to judge.
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What happened between this post...


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dissociative identity disorder.
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#33
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4-5 year olds are NOT going be traumatised or become deliquents because of t-shirts and keychains that they have no concept of the meaning of.



+1


my parents used to take me into that store when i was little and i had no idea what any of the stuff was.
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#34
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Wtf Wemonir. wall of text.
Yeah, but every word of it was absolutely correct.
#37
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yeah, and I didn't say that every kid that would be exposed to sexuality early would be weird and messed up. My point though is that it's the parents' job to protect their children from what they shouldn't be exposed to at their age.


Agreed, but then we enter into the debate of when would be the appropriate age for a child to be exposed to such content... Sometimes the world seems impossible.

Anyway, what would you deem a suitable age for someone to be exposed to such content? Granted, regardless of age the content of the shirt never becomes less vulgar, but I'm referring to sex.
#38
Quote by Paquijón
Agreed, but then we enter into the debate of when would be the appropriate age for a child to be exposed to such content... Sometimes the world seems impossible.

Anyway, what would you deem a suitable age for someone to be exposed to such content? Granted, regardless of age the content of the shirt never becomes less vulgar, but I'm referring to sex.

It would really depend on the kid's maturity level. I'd definitely say before 13 though. I myself was never told about it, but I ended up fine...eventually.
#39
Quote by Paquijón

Anyway, what would you deem a suitable age for someone to be exposed to such content? Granted, regardless of age the content of the shirt never becomes less vulgar, but I'm referring to sex.


10ish? i was exposed to that stuff before that of course but i didn't really get any of it. once the kid hits puberty you gotta make sure they know what's what.
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#40
Yeah I was never even given a sex talk. I just watched porn on the internet until I not only knew what was going on but how to do it. I'm fine with that, but I doubt my parents would be. Haha, if only they knew.


And then I find out my parents look at UG, and I'm fucked
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