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#1
he said something like "Imagine is like the Communist Manifesto in a song" or something along the lines of that.

and the lyrics of Working Class Hero sound like they were written by Karl Marx.

i like Lennon and The Beatles, but this confuses me.
#3
well on paper, communism sounds pretty sweet though doesn't it?
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I think he followed Marxism which doesn't necessarily make you a "commie"
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#5
Not a full blown commie, he like many thinking people saw that there were some good things to communism itself, however it had one major design flaw, it forgot to calculate for greed, so no, not a commie, but he did have a bit of a fascination with it
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Communism is a nice thought which hasn't yet worked out well, because people are greedy and propaganda isn't powerful enough to teach them to be satisfied with what you have
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well on paper, communism sounds pretty sweet though doesn't it?

exactly. communism is supposed to be completely equal throughout the country as far as wealth and whatnot. sounds pretty good to me except people that believe in it also seem to be dictators and assholes
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#10
I don't think lennon was communist, but he was definitely someone who stood up for the working class, and knew what it was like.
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#11
Nothing wrong with a bit of communism. In theory at least it's a damn fine form of government.
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Who cares? Communism would work except that well, people are dicks.
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#13
"And Lennon read a book of Marx"

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So true.
#17
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Communism is a nice thought which hasn't yet worked out well, because people are greedy and propaganda isn't powerful enough to teach them to be satisfied with what you have

+1 It's a good idea, it's just no one has been able to use the ideas of communism successfully.
#18
The ultimate goal of communism is world peace, so, where's the harm? A big problem with communism is human nature can't follow the, "Let's all share, let's all be equal" mentality. People want to be better than their neighbor, and if there's only one kind of lawnmower available, what are we going to impress them with?
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"And Lennon read a book of Marx"


I'm pretty sure thats Lenin and not Lennon.
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#20
Yes, I would say that John Lennon was a communist. Don't be tricked by what has occurred with countries like Russia and China. Communism is an absolutely fantastic idea...but the leaders always end up going corrupt. Power isn't always a very good thing.
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"And Lennon read a book of Marx"

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Communism doesn't work, not just due to greed, but because there are other ways apart from wealth that some people to be superior to others i.e. in love, in appearance, in personality, and in skills.
Also, when there are other countries that are capitalist, and you make as much money as you can, and own as much as you can afford, then a lot of people are going to be tempted by that are choose to live there, and so society divides.

As for John Lennon, I think he was just socialist, I doubt he wanted to live in a Communist society.
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#23
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I'm pretty sure thats Lenin and not Lennon.


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#24
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no man, Harpo, not Groucho.

but no really the lyric is Lenin, at least according to Don McLeans website.
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#26
Communism on paper > You.

If only it could work

And I'm sure John was a bit of a socialist/"commie"
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Nothing wrong with a bit of communism. In theory at least it's a damn fine form of government.



communism is not a form of government.

people always get that wrong.


i dont think Lennon would actually call himself a communist, but it seems like he probably agreed with at least some communist ideas. honestly, i dont think there is anything wrong with that. some of the ideas that Marx and Engels lay out in the Communist Manifesto sound pretty good.
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I don't think any human will ever be..lacking ambition would mean not wanting to improve, and that would make us all..well..numb. like stuck in where you are, not moving forward getting more and more ingorant as time passes by
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communism is not a form of government.

people always get that wrong.


i dont think Lennon would actually call himself a communist, but it seems like he probably agreed with at least some communist ideas. honestly, i dont think there is anything wrong with that. some of the ideas that Marx and Engels lay out in the Communist Manifesto sound pretty good.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

Wikipedia says it's a form of government.

The only way I could imagine communism working is if people could get non-monetary benefits for doing harder jobs, but I have no idea what that could be. Everything breaks down to money. Better real estate?
#30
Don't know. But he was definitively socialist.
However, Socialism =/= Communism.
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#31
So what if he was a communist or a socialist. Like a lot of people here have been saying, if people weren't greedy assholes, Socialism would work out fairly well.
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I'm pretty sure thats Lenin and not Lennon.

That's what's great about that line. It could be either one.
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#33
you can't like him if he's a socialist.
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#34
Revolution written by lennon has a line saying something like "but if you go carrying pictures of chairman mao, your not going to make it with anyone anyhow"

I dont think he's a communist as the form of government but definately had some commie ideals(which isnt necessarily a bad thing)
#35
What people miss with most interpretations of marxist socialism is that Marx was an historical determinist, so that attempts by individuals to precipitate revolution according to marxist theory are anti marxist in effect. Marx believed that the revolutions he talked of (bougeoirse, proletarian) WILL happen, spontaniously, so if he's right, it will, and if not, well, it looks like fukuyama was right after all.

But anyway, socialist ideals = good on paper, bad in current social practice (as already mentioned)
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Revolution written by lennon has a line saying something like "but if you go carrying pictures of chairman mao, your not going to make it with anyone anyhow"

I dont think he's a communist as the form of government but definately had some commie ideals(which isnt necessarily a bad thing)

Mao wasn't a communist.
He was a Maoist.


So what if Lennon was a communist?
Does that mean you can't like him? Communism is awesome.

Also, to all you people saying "human nature won;t allow it" read something by Marx.
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#37
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Mao wasn't a communist.
He was a Maoist.


So what if Lennon was a communist?
Does that mean you can't like him? Communism is awesome.

Also, to all you people saying "human nature won;t allow it" read something by Marx.
"existence precedes consciousness"

It's a shame, because Marx was an amazing thinker, but people hate him because he's just some "damn commie".
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#38
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That's what's great about that line. It could be either one.


according to the guy who wrote the song it's Lenin.
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#39
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according to the guy who wrote the song it's Lenin.

Really? I thought Don McLean never really gave any explanations for that song. Oh well, it still works both ways.
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Really? I thought Don McLean never really gave any explanations for that song. Oh well, it still works both ways.


he didn't give an explanation, but Lenin is whats on the lyrics sheet on his site.
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