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Punx&Skunx
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#1
This is somewhat in response to the Role of Capitalism thread. Lets say you started a punk band, your punk band had a positive message that you really wanted people to hear. You get pretty popular in your area and the local record label asks to sign you, do you say yes or no. What if a major record label asks, do you say yes or no?

Where does one draw the line? On a smaller label its harder for one to focus a lot of their time on the band because one needs some form of income. While on a major record label your band will have more time to write and play your music. If you accept a major record label does your band "sell out?"
Pott
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#2
If your message isn't about corporations, then why not..?
If it's against corporations and big companies it IS a bit hypocritical...

But any way to get your message to more people is a good way if you're in the band isn't it?

Then remains the issue of the company telling/not telling the band what to do...
RockThe40oz
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#3
It depends on the terms of the contract, who the profits go to, the history of the company, etc.

There's a big difference between giving 90% of profits to some company with a history of destroying band creativity and giving 50% of profits to a company that lets you make the music you want to make and play the tours you want to play.
Synystyer
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#5
Do whatever you feel like. Really, this "selling out" stuff is ridiculous. If you guys make it all the way for a major label to sign you, go ahead. You worked hard. You deserve the money and fame.

You're not a "sell out" unless you actually change your style of music to something the major label wants you guys to do. If you continue doing what you have always been doing, it should be fine. If the only reason that the older fans hate you is due to the fact that you guys have become mainstream and that you guys have a million more fans, they can go **** themselves.

Hard work should pay off. End of story. Just never forget why you started a band. For fun, for the love of music, whatever. Stick with it.
Chaise Boogie
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#6
Just don't worry about it. When a huge record company shoves a huge contract along with an amount of money following a lot of zeros, I'll be damned if I don't take it.
Punx&Skunx
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#7
I agree with most of you when you say that the whole concept of "selling out" is ridiculous. But then why do bands get flamed all the time for "selling out?"
Chaise Boogie
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#8
Quote by Punx&Skunx
I agree with most of you when you say that the whole concept of "selling out" is ridiculous. But then why do bands get flamed all the time for "selling out?"


They don't like a bunch of blind minded kids liking their bands just because it's popular.

An example is RBF. Everyone in my town likes posthardcoredoodoocore, yet it seems each one of them likes RBF. RBF is nothing like that screaming stuff. They just like it cause it's popular, but not too popular to where they can't score cool points for liking an unknown band.
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#9
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RizzoWashburn
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#10
lol @ the non punk forum regulars
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#11
There is a term that applies to a person that rejects loads of money when it is offered to him/her.

That term is Masochist.

'Course bands that spit loads of venom at corporations are logically not going to be signed by them anyway so the question is rather silly.
StreetLight3989
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#12
Quote by RizzoWashburn
lol @ the non punk forum regulars

They're always worth a laugh, lol. I would say that as long as your message isn't anit-corporation and the corporation has good ethics definitely sign major. I don't know if I would though. Just don't let them change your sound or message.
BrianApocalypse
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#13
Never sign to anyone else's label, major, DIY or otherwise.

Unless you run the label yourself, you dissolve your message and the music is no longer an accurate portrayal of your group.

Which is pretty much the whole point of making music.
BrianApocalypse
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#14
Quote by Chaise Boogie
Just don't worry about it. When a huge record company shoves a huge contract along with an amount of money following a lot of zeros, I'll be damned if I don't take it.


What most people don't realise is that an advance from a record company is only a loan, hence the word "advance". $100,000 might seem like a lot of money, but it's nothing when you consider that it's 5 people or more's salary for the next 2-3 years.

Plus, you have to make every penny of that back to start earning royalties, and you have to finance your first album with that.
mike2
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#15
labels are stupid, oblsolete, and you make no money anyways. so why the **** do it?
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Tim Armstrong is a songwriting genius, is a complete fashion diva and has an incredible singing voice.

He doesn't sound like Opie from family guy at all.
BrianApocalypse
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#16
Yeah, it's better to put your own stuff, that way you get £5 per unit, as opposed to £0.04 per unit.

Music is going to go grass roots soon anyways.
sargasm
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#17
No. I have no problem with people signing to majors, but it's not for me.
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#18
I would never be on a major label, and I would never sign a contract, if I can't trust my friend to put out my record, I don't want it to be put out. I'm never gonna be in a band that will sell a million copies.

My housemate's band is on a semimajor record label (Alive! Records) and they had to have a contract, I don't think they got screwed over, it's just weird to hear them talk so much about business. I'd never want that to get in the way of my band. They're still my best friends and still one of my favorite bands, it's just weird that you can buy their CD at FYE now.
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#19
You put a multi-million dollar contract in front of me, I would take it.
You're a sell out if your music is played on commercials.
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#20
^ Well then the Ramones and the Stooges are sellouts, among many others.

This is a kinda complicated issue, but I usually have no problem with bands that go major, as long as they don't contradict their message or change their sound to be more commercially acceptable.

Personally, I would never go major, because with my insecurities and whatnot, fame would make me end up just like Kurt Cobain.
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anti
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#21
I think both bands were aware that they sold out a long time ago, they sold out along with their youth. They have to make money.
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JesusOfSbrbia
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#22
^ and making money off music is not a crime, as long as the music is good
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#23
If I was asked to sign with a major label I'd consider if:

* I had complete freedom. If I wanted to release an album with nothing but the sound of monkeys having sex then they would have to let me.
* I owned my music/royalties
* The label severed all ties with the RIAA
* There was no minimum number of albums to be released on the label
* I have the option to opt out of the contract at any time with no penalty
* The label bought a studio for me that I can keep after I ditch the label.


Soooooooooo
I guess that means that I won't be signing to a major label. Although I can see that changing if I ever have a family...
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recklessnick
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#24
it depends.
alot of people might say yes, but those the people who diss on anti-flag, bad religion, rancid, rise against, etc. for being on a major label and because every single person knows them.
as long as you dont sell your beliefs and what you stand for, then its not selling out. unless you are like this whole diy-for-life anti-mass media anti-capitalism person and one day you sign to sony records, then you're a sellout
recklessnick
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#25
it depends.
alot of people might say yes, but those the people who diss on anti-flag, bad religion, rancid, rise against, etc. for being on a major label and because every single person knows them.
as long as you dont sell your beliefs and what you stand for, then its not selling out. unless you are like this whole diy-for-life anti-mass media anti-capitalism person and one day you sign to sony records, then you're a sellout
BrianApocalypse
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#26
About 85% of signed acts fail, and can't make any more music until their contract expires, so be careful kids...
lavazza
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#27
It´s just the company mustn´t tell me what music I have to make, what texts I have to choose and how to mix it, and that´s the problem with major labels I think they influence too much!

Example: Toxoplasma, a German Punk band which was one of the first big punk bands in Germany during the 80s whcih toured with the Dead Kennedys and the Bad Brains had the offer (by Virgin Records) to sign a contract of about 500.000 DM (~250.000&euro, which was much more in those than it is nowadays, but with the condition that they change their appearance a bit.
They didn´t do that, and that´s something I respect.
dannay
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#28
say yes, then fill your album with obsenities that they will hate, encourage stage rushing, damage venues, cause riots, and generally bring down the name of the label.
mike2
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#29
Quote by JesusOfSbrbia
^ Well then the Ramones and the Stooges are sellouts, among many others.

This is a kinda complicated issue, but I usually have no problem with bands that go major, as long as they don't contradict their message or change their sound to be more commercially acceptable.

Personally, I would never go major, because with my insecurities and whatnot, fame would make me end up just like Kurt Cobain.


the thing with punk is that it wasn't against major labels at first, until bands like crass started crtizisizing original punk artists like the clash signing to CBS and making punk a novelty. and jello detested major labels, if i remember right he threw an ash tray at an A&R of a record label.

If you go to a label, fine, but major labels are corporate sluts, and the indie ones are sometimes even worse, ones like hellcat and **** that are almost a major label.

so signing period is pointless, especially since you can record music as good as a studio, and now we have the internet to spread your message/music.
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Rancid are the best punk band ever.

Tim Armstrong is a songwriting genius, is a complete fashion diva and has an incredible singing voice.

He doesn't sound like Opie from family guy at all.
mike2
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#31
Quote by hooligan07
i'd sign to hellcat


**** that. i'd rather sign to RCA than say my boss is Tim Armstrong.
Quote by BrianApocalypse
Rancid are the best punk band ever.

Tim Armstrong is a songwriting genius, is a complete fashion diva and has an incredible singing voice.

He doesn't sound like Opie from family guy at all.
hooligan07
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#32
Quote by mike2
**** that. i'd rather sign to RCA than say my boss is Tim Armstrong.

i'd just chill with matt
StreetLight3989
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#34
Seriously though, signing to a label makes making music a business. Music shouldn't be a business, but an art.
DanRev
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#35
In my experience, alot of independents are just as bad if not worse, and are often owned by the rich sons and daughters of lawyers and politicians from places like Hertfordshire and the home counties.

Especially if they're hardcore label.
Gabuydachk
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#36
Quote by DanRev
In my experience, alot of independents are just as bad if not worse, and are often owned by the rich sons and daughters of lawyers and politicians from places like Hertfordshire and the home counties.

Especially if they're hardcore label.

hardcore labels around here in NJ are terrible. they wait for every band to put in their money in and then cancel shows. i've heard the deals with records are even worse.

'tis life
mike2
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#37
Quote by hooligan07
i'd just chill with matt


whatever....


you just make matt and tim look like idols, and in reality they are sub-par musicians, with a crappy label, have crappy taste in music, and matt maybe above average at bass but tries too hard, and makes it sound tastless...

they aren't punks, they are businessmen...

douche.
Quote by BrianApocalypse
Rancid are the best punk band ever.

Tim Armstrong is a songwriting genius, is a complete fashion diva and has an incredible singing voice.

He doesn't sound like Opie from family guy at all.
BlaiseTheSlayer
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#38
It's not selling out if you don't compromise anything. Changing your sound for a major is selling out.
crustyreed
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#39
i just remembered something i found hilarious.
So a person from *insert big label here* calls the 4 skins and says he would like to have them join their label. Under one condition, they change their names to 'Skins 4.'
they laugh him off the phone.
true story
RockThe40oz
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#40
4 Skins is a great band name... nobody quite gets it at first... "Oh Ok.. they're skinheads, and there are 4 of them..." *wait for it* "wait... 4.. skins.. foreskins... ohhhhh... gross"