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#4
Lots of guns, lots of ammo, lots of people.

Some people don't understand that it's not the soldier who decides what war is fought, but oh well.
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#6
i have no idea what the U.S. military thinks
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#7
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Lots of guns, lots of ammo, lots of people.

Some people don't understand that it's not the soldier who decides what war is fought, but oh well.

Agreed, and of course anybody who disses the soldiers are complete dicks.
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#8
Quote by wizards?
I love how the marines's slogan is semper fi, and it actually should be semper fidelies


too bad i dont speak latin or i would comment....


anyways, yeah its too big, clean up our mess in iraq, pull out, and cut funding... mayb give a BILLION a day to sayyy... oh idk healthcare? maybe college scholorships?
rather than wastin it in a sand dune 4000miles away


EDIT: and i support our troops because i know its not them, im not some Jane Fonda "**** you baby killers" kinda guy, i just disagree with the way the war was managed and think its futile now and we need to get our boys home and use the $ on better things
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#9
Undersized in some parts, oversized in others, probably needs some more organization

The only reason the budget is huge right now is because of the War on Terrorism (Which does not equal Iraq and Afghanistan).
#11
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Undersized in some parts, oversized in others, probably needs some more organization

The only reason the budget is huge right now is because of the War on Terrorism (Which does not equal Iraq and Afghanistan).

Every armed force needs to be more organized. There's seemingly no way to get around the fact that if you have a thousand people with jobs to do, at least one of them is going to **** something up.
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#12
*judges the entire U.S. military based on the act of one Marine throwing a puppy off a cliff*

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#13
Marines won't stop calling me.

I told them "maybe" and they gave me free shit.
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#14
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i have no idea what the U.S. military thinks

haha, I laughed.
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#15
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Marines won't stop calling me.

I told them "maybe" and they gave me free shit.


I feel your pain. I told one Guard recruiter I was thinking about joining...and I get non-stop calls.
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Quote by cheeseman3001
i have no idea what the U.S. military thinks

Neither do most of its members.

The actual troops are mostly misguided. From what I understand, most of them think they're actually fighting for a worthy cause. The people above them are really terrible, though. Both Iraq and Afghanistan are just examples of American imperialism and Social Darwinism. Iraqis and Afghanis are portrayed by the government and media as inferior to Americans. These sources claim we have to "civilize them" and "bring them democracy." However, we are not doing this; we are setting up future dependents and giving huge American companies such as Halliburton special interest in these areas.

In short, everything the U.S. military is fighting for right now is bull****, most of them just don't know it.
#17
we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender

now the US version, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; but if you kill a few of our men we will just leave.

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Quote by Half_Full
Undersized in some parts, oversized in others, probably needs some more organization

The only reason the budget is huge right now is because of the War on Terrorism (Which does not equal Iraq and Afghanistan).

Actually no.

The US yearly budget on the military is just shy of $500 billion without war spending.

They get another $100-200 billion or so for the wars.
#20
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Neither do most of its members.

The actual troops are mostly misguided. From what I understand, most of them think they're actually fighting for a worthy cause. The people above them are really terrible, though. Both Iraq and Afghanistan are just examples of American imperialism and Social Darwinism. Iraqis and Afghanis are portrayed by the government and media as inferior to Americans. These sources claim we have to "civilize them" and "bring them democracy." However, we are not doing this; we are setting up future dependents and giving huge American companies such as Halliburton special interest in these areas.

In short, everything the U.S. military is fighting for right now is bull****, most of them just don't know it.

I know a few people who have toured in Afghanistan, and they tell me from first hand experience that they're helping people, and that locals are happy to see them . . .
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#21
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I love how the marines's slogan is semper fi, and it actually should be semper fidelies


it is. and btw its semper fidelIs
#22
I would like to see us pull out of Iraq, and then use all of the man power, funding, and resources our military has to completely convert our country, economy, basicly our whole civilization to non-oil energy. With that much working towards one goal, it could be realized astonishingly quickly. But NOPE! Apparently the military is wasting their time if they aren't thousands of miles away starting ****. Oh well, I guess we'll just cross the peak oil bridge when we get to it! Great idea...
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#23
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ravWDN2OcwE

I think our military kicks ass.

The open-bolt thing is pretty cool, but really, it just sounds like a quicker way to expend ammo. I know the Canadian equivalent of the SAW can be magazine as well as belt-fed, but magazines empty so quickly, it's ridiculous.
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Quote by freedoms_stain
Actually no.

The US yearly budget on the military is just shy of $500 billion without war spending.

They get another $100-200 billion or so for the wars.


Well, its not cheap to pay salaries, make sure their equipment is up to par, make sure they actually have equipment, produce new equipment for all the new recruits, retirement funds, fuel, ammunition.

And all this, is to the lowest bidder. So be happy that the government did not choose even the medium or the highest bidder.

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I would like to see us pull out of Iraq, and then use all of the man power, funding, and resources our military has to completely convert our country, economy, basicly our whole civilization to non-oil energy. With that much working towards one goal, it could be realized astonishingly quickly. But NOPE! Apparently the military is wasting their time if they aren't thousands of miles away starting ****. Oh well, I guess we'll just cross the peak oil bridge when we get to it! Great idea...


The military doesn't start ****, politicians do. I love it when people like you trash talk our military. I'd like to see you do what they do, on a daily basis. Even just see what half of them see for one day. All their doing is their job.
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The open-bolt thing is pretty cool, but really, it just sounds like a quicker way to expend ammo. I know the Canadian equivalent of the SAW can be magazine as well as belt-fed, but magazines empty so quickly, it's ridiculous.


Dude that is too cool! Very good idea, props to whoever made that. Thats worthy of a whole other thread IMO because I don't want to hijack this one.

That being said, I still think all of the energy and resources of our armed forces could be put to better causes. They should maintain their combat capabilities, but really, theres got to be a way to use all of that to get some good done in the world. But yeah that gun is really neat. I would think it's only drawback might be dependability issues with the open bolt.
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#26
Quote by Half_Full
Well, its not cheap to give decent salaries, make sure their equipment is up to par, make sure they actually have equipment, produce new equipment for all the new recruits, retirement funds, fuel, ammunition.

And all this, is to the lowest bidder. So be happy that the government did not choose even the medium or the highest bidder.


The military doesn't start ****, politicians do.

If you look at the breakdown of the budget most of it goes into researching and building bigger and more powerful weapons, tanks and fighter planes.

If you look at the spending of other countries they put their money into building smaller more efficient forces.

I remember seeing a comparison in the paper of british bombers vs american in afghanistan.

The british spent more on their efficient rockets and bombs which meant they used less, whereas the americans ended up spending more in the long run because they had to use more to achieve the same results for the same number and size of targets.
#27
I think the vast majority of the people who criticize the military don't have enough knowledge on the subject to be doing any criticizing. Especially people from other countries.
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#28
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If you look at the breakdown of the budget most of it goes into researching and building bigger and more powerful weapons, tanks and fighter planes.

If you look at the spending of other countries they put their money into building smaller more efficient forces.

I remember seeing a comparison in the paper of british bombers vs american in afghanistan.

The british spent more on their efficient rockets and bombs which meant they used less, whereas the americans ended up spending more in the long run because they had to use more to achieve the same results for the same number and size of targets.


I stand corrected.

I personally wish this country would go back to isolationism, instead of all this **** of fitting politicians agendas which requires we invade any country they want at that time. I'm sure if we went back to being isolated, military spending could go way down. Yes, that would mean cutting WAY back on jobs in the military, but maybe it would put more emphasis on the National Guard units (Which, at least in my area are poorly funded [yes, I know they're provided for by the state, but more money in the national economy should mean more towards the states]), education, Health, new/more efficient energy sources, etc.

/end rant
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#30
Unfortunately the US Military are the enforcers of fascist leaders desires to spread "democracy" around the world. (Although we live in a true "republic"). We should try spreading democracy here in the US. Oh yea, Ron Paul is trying, but the fascists will never let him into power...

Maybe this could go in the political thread, ok then.
#31
Quote by wizards?
I love how the marines's slogan is semper fi, and it actually should be semper fidelies


Technically, it should, but the Romans abbreviated in writing all the time, so it's not really taboo in Latin writing.
#32
Quote by Half_Full
Well, its not cheap to pay salaries, make sure their equipment is up to par, make sure they actually have equipment, produce new equipment for all the new recruits, retirement funds, fuel, ammunition.

And all this, is to the lowest bidder. So be happy that the government did not choose even the medium or the highest bidder.


The military doesn't start ****, politicians do. I love it when people like you trash talk our military. I'd like to see you do what they do, on a daily basis. Even just see what half of them see for one day. All their doing is their job.


Ok well I'd like our politicians put the military to better uses, instead of using the military to start ****.

I'd also like a quarter of the military to be converted into some sort of system to make it better for veterans when they're done serving their terms. Like better pay, better career choices, basicly better benefits when you're trying to get back into regular life. Rehab, if you will. Hows that, defender of the military?
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#33
Quote by Half_Full
I stand corrected.

I personally wish this country would go back to isolationism, instead of all this **** of fitting politicians agendas which requires we invade any country they want at that time. I'm sure if we went back to being isolated, military spending could go way down. Yes, that would mean cutting WAY back on jobs in the military, but maybe it would put more emphasis on the National Guard units (Which, at least in my area are poorly funded [yes, I know they're provided for by the state, but more money in the national economy should mean more towards the states]), education, Health, new/more efficient energy sources, etc.

It's worth looking into.

I find it totally interesting to see what's what in the world.

And since spending budgets are public domain it's not even hard to have a look.
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Quote by wizards?
I love how the marines's slogan is semper fi, and it actually should be semper fidelies

Way to butcher fidelis. Fi is just a short way of saying it. Though I've never understood why the Marines have adopted that slogan.
#35
thoughts of the us military? hehe. i don't know, i'm not a member so i don't know what they think, but if you're in the 82nd airborne, i'd say they need to learn to express themselves clearly.
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#36
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Ok well I'd like our politicians put the military to better uses, instead of using the military to start ****.

I'd also like a quarter of the military to be converted into some sort of system to make it better for veterans when they're done serving their terms. Like better pay, better career choices, basicly better benefits when you're trying to get back into regular life. Rehab, if you will. Hows that, defender of the military?


Most people I see come out of the military do get pretty nice benefits, sure not the best in the world since the military is not a Fortune 500 company. Most do get very nice jobs, usually the first the employer looks for, depending on time served with the military. Employers love the military due to all the leadership skills and traits they learn and adapt into their everyday lives. Sure, after war its a bit hard, but usually during peacetime, veterans fit right back into everyday life.

Besides, a quarter of the military to see after veterans? That's why they have Human Resources specialists, which make up a nice piece of each branch. And they usually do a damn good job.
#37
I love the soldiers. They are awesome people who serve their country well. The only problem is we don't have the commanding prowess to properly use it. By commanding, I mean the politicians who start the wars, and than send all your kids off to war and then use your tax money to put their kids through college.

Politics, huh.
#38
Just like any army, nothing wrong with them. Its the people who controll the army.
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Quote by freedoms_stain
If you look at the breakdown of the budget most of it goes into researching and building bigger and more powerful weapons, tanks and fighter planes.

If you look at the spending of other countries they put their money into building smaller more efficient forces.

I remember seeing a comparison in the paper of british bombers vs american in afghanistan.

The british spent more on their efficient rockets and bombs which meant they used less, whereas the americans ended up spending more in the long run because they had to use more to achieve the same results for the same number and size of targets.



Thats because the RAF used up their budget with the 5* hotels in the Oman and Kuwait for pilots, leaving none for bombs.

Most of any countries budget goes towards new, expensive technology that no-one really needs - for example, billions have been spent by the UK on Eurofighter and the JSF, but there is nothing to replace Nimrod when it comes out of service this year...

Back to the point of the thread - thoughts of the US military. Trigger Happy Cowboys
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Quote by sSyLc
I know a few people who have toured in Afghanistan, and they tell me from first hand experience that they're helping people, and that locals are happy to see them . . .

It's a general statement. Of course some people are actually happy.

And let me clarify what I mean when I say, "Everything the U.S. military is fighting for is bull****." Most of the people they're fighting are actually terrible people. The reason we're at war is what is troubling; we haven't sent troops into Darfur, where there's genocide, partly because there's no business interest there, partly because we won't be able to restructure the government and have complete political and economic control, and partly because troops are already spread too thin. In other words, the U.S. military does the right thing when it helps the interests of the nation's elites.
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