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"Euthanasia - The bringing about of a painless and gentle death often in presence of incurable and painful disease." - My pocket Oxford dictionary

Let's discuss the legalisation of euthanasia, the moral implications, the effectiveness in countries where it is legal, the circumstances where it is acceptable and everything else.

I'll start - is religion holding back euthanasia by believing all life is sacrosanct or that the suffering is planned/a test?

EDIT: I just want to add in for all that if it was legalised it would of course have strict conditions.
Last edited by Grundy0 at Mar 7, 2008,
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#4
I totally agree with it. If I'm dying, and know I have no chance to survive, and my death will be long and drawn out, I'd rather die there and then.

Thing is, I don't believe in God, nor do I follow religion, so really, nothing like that would stop me.
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Ok seriously, if someone wants to die, that's their right.

But surely it becomes a problem when they can't do it themselves and have to ask for someone to kill them...?

Although i am for euthanasia.
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#7
I'm a big believer in my own right to die when I choose. When I feel I've done everything I want to do then I'll kill myself.
#8
don't take the painless way out, donate your live body to some sort of extreme scientifical testing like brain modifications, then if you die no big loss you wanted to anyways if not you have helped out society
#9
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There is no youth in Asia...the communists are only allowed one kid per household now.

*cricket*

Ok seriously, if someone wants to die, that's their right.


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#10
I think Euthanasia should only be allowed on extreme cases (like an incurable disease) and with the patient's consent. However i can see this being abused and maybe used by EMO's en masse..
#11
its just assisted suicide.. thats all

it not the worst thing in the world, but there are better things too. but i can understand wanting to end it how you want to if you know you're going to die
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There is no youth in Asia...the communists are only allowed one kid per household now.

*cricket*

Ok seriously, if someone wants to die, that's their right.


There was an article in the paper recently that China may be uplifting the one child policy..

Yeah i am totally for euthanasia, if you want to die who has the right to stop you.

In terms of choosing yourself it is okay though it gets more complicated for someone on life support if they should be let to fade.

In this case if it was me i would want to be let go as supposed to living in a vegetative state for my whole life.

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But surely it becomes a problem when they can't do it themselves and have to ask for someone to kill them...?

Although i am for euthanasia.


The problem with that is that the person who assists will be blamed for murder. If the person wanting to die signs legal documents etc. i don't see what the problem is and it should be done in a specific place.

The only place were euthanasia is allowed is Switzerland i believe.
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But surely it becomes a problem when they can't do it themselves and have to ask for someone to kill them...?

Although i am for euthanasia.


It is still their life, just because they lack the ability to take it from themselves does not mean no one else should be allowed to under certain conditions.

[quote="'[Sniper"]']I think Euthanasia should only be allowed on extreme cases (like an incurable disease) and with the patient's consent. However i can see this being abused and maybe used by EMO's en masse..

That is why strict conditions would need to be in place
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But surely it becomes a problem when they can't do it themselves and have to ask for someone to kill them...?

Although i am for euthanasia.

Why does that pose a problem? It's only murder if the person is innocent, undeserving, or unaware.
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[quote="'[Sniper"]']I think Euthanasia should only be allowed on extreme cases (like an incurable disease) and with the patient's consent. However i can see this being abused and maybe used by EMO's en masse..
uhh that would just be suicide, euthanasia implies some sort of extreme or at least highly undesirable circumstance.
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Why does that pose a problem? It's only murder if the person is innocent, undeserving, or unaware.


It's like i could kill you in your home and say that you wanted to die and i was helping you.

It's a bit stupid really, there should be legal documents signed by the person wanting to die etc. to make it plausible.
#17
Well, they shot Old Yeller. So yes, I'm for it.

Seriously though I am for it. Its pretty obvious really, I mean what if someone is dying the slowest, most horrible death but they're forced to stay alive? That ain't right, it should be their choice. I really think the system we have probably works best, the only flaw in it is that some people can be horrible, horrible selfish beings that will go to no end for personal gain.
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I have nothing against people who want euthenasia, but where do we draw the line between euthenasia and suicide?
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It's like i could kill you in your home and say that you wanted to die and i was helping you.

It's a bit stupid really, there should be legal documents signed by the person wanting to die etc. to make it plausible.

Well duh.

I think it should be facilitated by a medical professional. Making it legal would make it easier to police.
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it is someone's right, though the violation of the first few words of the hippocratic oath ("first do no harm") is troubling. I still support human freedom in this case, though. it's unfortunate that religion and politics get in the way of something so serious, personal and utterly between a person, one's family, and one's physician.
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It's like i could kill you in your home and say that you wanted to die and i was helping you.

It's a bit stupid really, there should be legal documents signed by the person wanting to die etc. to make it plausible.


Strict conditions!

Also this is where the problem with some cases of involuntary arises
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There is no youth in Asia...the communists are only allowed one kid per household now.

*cricket*

Ok seriously, if someone wants to die, that's their right.


the main argument against is 'how can we be sure theyre in a fit state of mind, and they actually do want to die?'
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I have nothing against people who want euthenasia, but where do we draw the line between euthenasia and suicide?

Supervision, signed documents etc.

Suicide is something that you can bring yourself almost anytime
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Well duh.

I think it should be facilitated by a medical professional. Making it legal would make it easier to police.


!? What you mean duh? I was answering your question...

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Why does that pose a problem?


If you already knew why did you ask or was that directed at something else?
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it is someone's right, though the violation of the first few words of the hippocratic oath ("first do no harm") is troubling. I still support human freedom in this case, though. it's unfortunate that religion and politics get in the way of something so serious, personal and utterly between a person, one's family, and one's physician.

Keep voting democratic and see how big the government can get.

I can't wait till we have full blown socialist/national health care.

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!? What you mean duh? I was answering your question...
If you already knew why did you ask or was that directed at something else?

It was rhetorical. I answered it myself in the next line.
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Supervision, signed documents etc.

Suicide is something that you can bring yourself almost anytime

I see, I see. Would it be possible for anyone, to go get this euthenasia performed?
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the main argument against is 'how can we be sure theyre in a fit state of mind, and they actually do want to die?'

Define "fit state of mind".

I don't think they should be hopped up on morphine when they make the decision.
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I totally agree with it. If I'm dying, and know I have no chance to survive, and my death will be long and drawn out, I'd rather die there and then.

Thing is, I don't believe in God, nor do I follow religion, so really, nothing like that would stop me.

i do believe in god. However i still think that has nothing to do with whether or not they have the right to be uthanised. i feel they have every right to kill themselves. I live in the U.S. and it should be legal here. We say seperation of church and state but we don't apply it enough.
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i do believe in god. However i still think that has nothing to do with whether or not they have the right to be uthanised. i feel they have every right to kill themselves. I live in the U.S. and it should be legal here. We say seperation of church and state but we don't apply it enough.


The church shouldn't really get a say in anything i think.
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The church shouldn't really get a say in anything i think.

I agree. They ruined there chances in the middle ages. But i think it's wierd how the U.S. government says we have freedom of religion but constantly steer us toward christian beliefs. it's so hipocritical
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Well Euthanasia has both pros and cons. I mean, if it was legal, wouldn't all depressed people go and kill themselves?
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Well Euthanasia has both pros and cons. I mean, if it was legal, wouldn't all depressed people go and kill themselves?


STRICT CONDITIONS!!!

Sorry but that is the 3rd time someone has said that.
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Youthanasia was quite good, not as good as Rust In Peace though...





Well Euthanasia has both pros and cons. I mean, if it was legal, wouldn't all depressed people go and kill themselves?

no the ones who are set on it do it anyways. at least with euthinasia some mom doesnt get home and find dads head blasted all over the telivision set. it's in a medical environment
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#35
I'm for it....no need in prolonging suffering for no reason.

It does raise a few thorny issues, naturally, but I'd say it's worth dealing with those to avoid a slow and painful death.
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I see, I see. Would it be possible for anyone, to go get this euthenasia performed?


The best way I can see it working is if you've got an incurable disease (cancer, AIDS, etc), if it's causing you extreme pain, and if a medical professional believes it is the best course, then it should be allowed. With legal documents and such to keep it official.

If you're just having some self-esteem issues/contemplating suicide/etc, then no way. You've still got so much to live for, so get some therapy and enjoy the rest of your life.
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The church shouldn't really get a say in anything i think.

It's not the church that has the say, it's the people who go to church that have the say.
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If people want to die, let them.
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The best way I can see it working is if you've got an incurable disease (cancer, AIDS, etc), if it's causing you extreme pain, and if a medical professional believes it is the best course, then it should be allowed. With legal documents and such to keep it official.

If you're just having some self-esteem issues/contemplating suicide/etc, then no way. You've still got so much to live for, so get some therapy and enjoy the rest of your life.

Not everybody has things to live for. What if there house burned down with everybody they knew inside. They will be homeless, and alone. Nothing to live for.
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It's not the church that has the say, it's the people who go to church that have the say.


But, to be honest, what does it matter what they say? If euthanasia is against their beliefs then they don't have to have it carried out on them. But why should it stop other people being euthanised (is that a word?) if they don't believe it?
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