#1
I was reading up all the stuff about the Gibson Thunderbird and I wondered, by doesn't anyone improve the design? Isn't it possible to make it have larger cutaways so as to improve higher fret access and put in some better humbuckers like EMGs or something? I mean seriously, it's a sexy bass with a lotta cons.

EDIT: I just realised there's another thread about improving the T-bird. But not exactly on the same level as mine.
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#2
Well, to solve the neck dive you'd have to change the weight of the head, or increase the weight of the body. Another way to improve the neck dive would be to increase the size of the upper horn.

To improve the tone you'd need to move the neck pickup further from the neck, closer to the bridge.

And if you increase the cutaways, it won't look like a Thunderbird any more.

I just realised, if you do all that, do you know what you'd get?

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#3
Well, it would take some serious structural modifications in order to make it balence properly.

In order to give it a sound with any definition, you would need to seriously reconsider the woods used. Through neck combined with extensive use of mahogany isn't particularly tending towards a clear sound in any way (neck though and mahogany both produce a very warm sound, which becomes muddy when it is too warm). Also not helping when they have humbuckers in as well, which don't help with the clarity.

If you like the looks, then that is the only thing the bass has as a pro IMO. It has very little going for it.
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Hehe. Im not actually looking to buy a T-Bird. I was just daydreaming again.
What if you rebuilt the T-bird with a alder body and maple neck or something?
Sounds like a good idea. And maybe making a slight re-shape in the right wing.
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^I think then people would say "this has very similar specs to most other basses, and it's more expensive!"
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^Haha. Good point. I like the Jag bass thing.

That's like saying if you take a Gibson bass and improve it, you end up with a Fender.

But if price wasn't a concern, I guess it wouldn't be a bad idea. Someone should make it into a custom build or something. I went on MS Paint and made this crappy drawing.

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Hehe. Im not actually looking to buy a T-Bird. I was just daydreaming again.
What if you rebuilt the T-bird with a alder body and maple neck or something?
Sounds like a good idea. And maybe making a slight re-shape in the right wing.


Then it wouldn't be a Thunderbird, it would just a generic Fender style bass in a weirdo shape. I build my thunderbird with a mahogany body and maple neck, and it sounds far less muddy than the Gibsons. Also I used a single coil in the neck as opposed to a humbucker. But it doesn't really sound like a T-bird, it just sounds like a generic mahogany bass with jazz+MM pickups.

But really, you can EQ a very clear, non muddy sound out of a Gibson anyway. It just doesn't really sound good if you use "fender bass" amp settings.

Its just the neckdive (which can be fixed with a good strap) and the upper fret access (which you just have to deal with )
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You have any pictures of your custom T-Bird to share?
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you'd also have to significantly shrink the headstock size, and i'm talking shrinking to a parker style headstock.

also replace the 3 point bridge with a more solid BAII or equivilant bridge and move the strap button to the hell at which point you should have a well balanced bass
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you'd also have to significantly shrink the headstock size, and i'm talking shrinking to a parker style headstock.

also replace the 3 point bridge with a more solid BAII or equivilant bridge and move the strap button to the hell at which point you should have a well balanced bass

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^Haha. Good point. I like the Jag bass thing.

That's like saying if you take a Gibson bass and improve it, you end up with a Fender.

But if price wasn't a concern, I guess it wouldn't be a bad idea. Someone should make it into a custom build or something. I went on MS Paint and made this crappy drawing.

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#14
I think it's supposed to sound muddy. You might call it "fat"!

But the neckdive is still inexcusable, although I'd imagine the people who want the TBird tone wouldn't play very high up the neck, so high fret access isn't really a must. But still inexcusable!
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#15
That Spector's pretty much the way to go.

In my opinion, Gibson's market share in the bass department is so miniscule that I guess it isn't "worth" them competing with the modern... functional bass crowd. That classic image is a huge thing for a lot of people, and the fact that it makes a sound at all means that someone likes the sound somewhere.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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If it's broke but nobody really uses it, and the rare person that does use it swears by it, don't fix it.
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^Haha. Good point. I like the Jag bass thing.

That's like saying if you take a Gibson bass and improve it, you end up with a Fender.

But if price wasn't a concern, I guess it wouldn't be a bad idea. Someone should make it into a custom build or something. I went on MS Paint and made this crappy drawing.

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You say crappy drawing, however check out the Aces High video by Maiden. Steve Harris is playing that!
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#17
I was unlucky enough to buy a thunderbird as my first bass . I was thinking of making it a bass for playing metal since I only play metal when I'm sat around at home (So I won't ever have to gig the thing) Are there any changes I could make to optimise it for metal or is it just not worth it?
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You say crappy drawing, however check out the Aces High video by Maiden. Steve Harris is playing that!

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#21
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I don't think Killemall was saying he was playing a T-Bird with part of the body hacked off. I think he was just saying the body shape was like what TS was describing. Err, drawing. Err, editing.
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#22
With much experience, I can honestly say the BC Rich Warlock far surpasses the Epiphone T Bird
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Perhaps but i don't want either of them, not even for free.
For the money you have to pay for one of those you can do so much better.
Also i think its a stupid idea to buy a bass for looks (which i think both are hideous). You just dont go to Store: I want that bass guitar a set of new strings those EMG pickups and a new thinner neck. That is just outright stupid. Get a bass that right away fullfills your needs. Im confident that if you add up the money you pay the improvements and the bass together you can buty a great bass.

If you want to MAKE a good bass start with a good base not piece of crap cause it will always be a piece of crap, an improved piece of crap, but a piece of crap nonetheless.
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#24
The reason that things like the T bird exist is because of the simple phrase "different strokes for different folks". Some like and can deal with all the flaws without bitching, or theyre new to bass. A mixture of these 2 reasons is prolly why the epi t bird was (I think still is) the top sellin bass of musicians friend.

And yes I am actually standing up for the T bird a little here and no I dont own one.
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#25
The guy from Kings of Leon uses a TBird and it sounds bloody amazing!
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The reason that things like the T bird exist is because of the simple phrase "different strokes for different folks". Some like and can deal with all the flaws without bitching, or theyre new to bass. A mixture of these 2 reasons is prolly why the epi t bird was (I think still is) the top sellin bass of musicians friend.

And yes I am actually standing up for the T bird a little here and no I dont own one.
Please, please, PLEASE tell me that you have more proof than the fact that musiciansfriend lists it as a HOT SELLER or TOP SELLER, which they do to items that they have lots of stock of to increase awareness of it and move units.
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Please, please, PLEASE tell me that you have more proof than the fact that musiciansfriend lists it as a HOT SELLER or TOP SELLER, which they do to items that they have lots of stock of to increase awareness of it and move units.


Yeah, i agree with thefitz. Just a marketing trick. Nobody wants them so they are piling up expensive storage room they can use for something better.
What they should do do is lower the price from 300 to something between 50-100 dollar and maybe just maybe they will sell a few.
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#28
Simon Gallup...The guy from The Cure mainly plays Gibsons live. His lines are pretty nice and simple. The sound is pleasant, its really bommy or muddy sound. I guess that's the appeal of the T-bird. Listen to M by The Cure and you see what I mean.
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Hehe. Im not actually looking to buy a T-Bird. I was just daydreaming again.
What if you rebuilt the T-bird with a alder body and maple neck or something?
Sounds like a good idea. And maybe making a slight re-shape in the right wing.


I think I beat you to it....poplar body, maple neck, and Bartolini pickups and pre-amp. I think it sounds pretty damn good

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#30
I'm thinking that I'm gonna take my old Squier bridge and start experimenting with different setups. and, I'll change the pickups to EMGs and put a Fender neck.
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Yeah, i agree with thefitz. Just a marketing trick. Nobody wants them so they are piling up expensive storage room they can use for something better.
What they should do do is lower the price from 300 to something between 50-100 dollar and maybe just maybe they will sell a few.

I do think that the Thunderbird is overpriced. It should cost $200-250, not $300. I do believe that they are selling fast, and that they are the premier starter bass. Not in quality, but in amount of people who like it.
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#32
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Please, please, PLEASE tell me that you have more proof than the fact that musiciansfriend lists it as a HOT SELLER or TOP SELLER, which they do to items that they have lots of stock of to increase awareness of it and move units.


Touche... But does that also explain why the Ric was at the top for a while as well and (on the guitar side) why LPs are 99% of the time on top?
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#33
That has to do more with stock than anything else - I saw a 2003 LTD John Entwistle Buzzard in Red as a hot seller - one unit left. A message saying PLEASE BUY IT BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!

In 2007.
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