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Hunderds of bands have plagiarised the beatles, zeppelin, sabbath etc..why hardly ever floyd?
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Pink Floyd kicks too much ass.
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1. They are very unique
2. influenced is a better word
3. I'm sure there are some, but i cant think of any now
i need to hear some sounds that recognize the pain in me, yeah.
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Because Floyd from a theory standpoint are way more advanced.
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Because Floyd from a theory standpoint are way more advanced.



breathe compared to stairway or elenor rigby?
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pink floyd's lyrics typically told stories. there's really no point in using bits of them when you aren't telling the same story.
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breathe compared to stairway or elenor rigby?


Are you kidding me? I don't think Led Zeppelin had any knowledge of theory, and The Beatles definitely didn't. Pink Floyd use fairly complex chords, progressions and structures as well as much more layering, which in turn adds to the complexity of the music (not that this is necessarily good or bad, just true.).
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Are you kidding me? I don't think Led Zeppelin had any knowledge of theory, and The Beatles definitely didn't. Pink Floyd use fairly complex chords, progressions and structures as well as much more layering, which in turn adds to the complexity of the music (not that this is necessarily good or bad, just true.).


WTF?!?!?!?
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actually YOU phail, as he was saying that he can't think of anyone who plagarised pink floyd




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Are you kidding me? I don't think Led Zeppelin had any knowledge of theory, and The Beatles definitely didn't. Pink Floyd use fairly complex chords, progressions and structures as well as much more layering, which in turn adds to the complexity of the music (not that this is necessarily good or bad, just true.).



having theoretical knowledge is irrelevant as illustrated in my reply to you.
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Are you kidding me? I don't think Led Zeppelin had any knowledge of theory, and The Beatles definitely didn't. Pink Floyd use fairly complex chords, progressions and structures as well as much more layering, which in turn adds to the complexity of the music (not that this is necessarily good or bad, just true.).

Actually Harrison was a very accomplished musician.


And the answer to TS is simple, Floyd sucks.
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Are you kidding me? I don't think Led Zeppelin had any knowledge of theory, and The Beatles definitely didn't. Pink Floyd use fairly complex chords, progressions and structures as well as much more layering, which in turn adds to the complexity of the music (not that this is necessarily good or bad, just true.).

just because they don't use strange or uncommon chords means they dont have the knowledge?
i need to hear some sounds that recognize the pain in me, yeah.
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Actually Harrison was a very accomplished musician.


And the answer to TS is simple, Floyd sucks.


what sucks is that you don't understand that not everyone shares your opinion, in fact A LOT of people dont.
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Are you kidding me? I don't think Led Zeppelin had any knowledge of theory, and The Beatles definitely didn't. Pink Floyd use fairly complex chords, progressions and structures as well as much more layering, which in turn adds to the complexity of the music (not that this is necessarily good or bad, just true.).


OMG are you seriously that stupid? Page was a sessions player before he was with Zeppelin, he had to know theory for that. John Paul Jones didn't even practice bass, I'd say he knew a fair amount of theory for that.
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Actually Harrison was a very accomplished musician.


And the answer to TS is simple, Floyd sucks.

no, you think they do. thats your opinion, but it sucks (to me)
i need to hear some sounds that recognize the pain in me, yeah.
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breathe compared to stairway or elenor rigby?

Zeppelin didn't write the riff to stair way, it was "plagurized".
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having theoretical knowledge is irrelevant as illustrated in my reply to you.


No it's not. A complex melody is more difficult to plagiarize than a simple one. Hence why The Beatles are ripped off so much. Led Zeppelin's riffing was very simple as well and Black Sabbath basically just raped the pentatonic scale.
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Are you kidding me? I don't think Led Zeppelin had any knowledge of theory, and The Beatles definitely didn't. Pink Floyd use fairly complex chords, progressions and structures as well as much more layering, which in turn adds to the complexity of the music (not that this is necessarily good or bad, just true.).

layering skills =/= theory.
the beatles didn't have formal theory knowledge, but they had a very good ability to combine relatively complex harmonies.
people tend to stumble upon good chords that fit their situations. they don't go "my god, i know exactly what chord and what voicing will be amazing for this song, especially with this vocal harmony" besides, the beatles have used some pretty obscure chords, trust me.
and no, led zeppelin weren't too knowledgeable in more advanced theory, but they knew enough to coordinate some relatively complex pieces, such as the battle of evermore, in the light, kashmir, nobody's fault but mine, etc. which were, although nowhere near the same style as pink floyd, just as complex as many pink floyd songs.
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just because they don't use strange or uncommon chords means they dont have the knowledge?

Actually the real chords used in some Beatles songs have complicated chords. Lennon learned music on a banjo, so his phrasing was a lot different.
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Hunderds of bands have plagurised the beatles, zeppelin, sabbath etc..why hardly ever floyd?
Because plagiarism is the work of people with little creativity or skills.

the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, and Black Sabbath do have a few songs with intricacy and nuance. But the ones that have been plagiarized are simpler and more easily and convincingly copied.

Pink Floyd copied sound like shit, unless you have the skills to do it right.
If you have the skills to cop Floyd, chances are you have the creativity to write your own shit.


Or, to put it in simpler terms ....
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Yeah, that.
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I say this Porcupine Tree song sounds pretty Pink Floyd-ish.



i wouldnt say they were that similar really i hear equal influences from other prog and rock bands there.
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Because plagiarism is the work of people with little creativity or skills.

the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, and Black Sabbath do have a few songs with intricacy and nuance. But the ones that have been plagiarized are simpler and more easily and convincingly copied.

Pink Floyd copied sound like shit, unless you have the skills to do it right.
If you have the skills to cop Floyd, chances are you have the creativity to write your own shit.


Or, to put it in simpler terms ....

Yeah, that.


but what i was meaning is even a floyd esque spacy song here or there doesnt have to be DSOTM part 2 to be like floyd. Zeppelin spawned thousands of bands really who copy licks or drum sounds
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Because it's too damn hard. At least, it's too damn hard to do it and sound good.
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Actually Harrison was a very accomplished musician.


And the answer to TS is simple, Floyd sucks.
Yes he was.


... he also ripped off the Shirelles (He's So Fine) when writing My Sweet Lord.
The judge in the case determined that Harrison owed the company owning the rights to He's So Fine over $1 million.


... and no. Pink Floyd =/= suckage.
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but what i was meaning is even a floyd esque spacy song here or there doesn't have to be DSOTM part 2 to be like floyd. Zeppelin spawned thousands of bands really who copy licks or drum sounds
I think you're getting closer to the heart of the answer here.

People steal chop that are tasty all on their own. The hooks.

Most of Pink Floyds stuff isn't rife with hooks. It's impressive because of the layering and the way all the individually unimpressive pieces are assembled into to an awesome package.
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