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#1
Hey.

Why are some people so against the Marshall amps?

I hang around norwegian forums, but this has often come up.

I recently bought a DSL100, and I think it is great.

Though i have some theories about the 'dsl haters'.


1. People after the wrong sound.
Some people might be after a different sound than marshall has to offer. This can be people after Heavy leads for heavier types of metal or other styles of music/play.
2. People Loyal to JCM800.
Some people who have tried or owns a JCM800 tends to slaughter the JCM2000 series. This can indeed be that the JCM800 is better, but it might also be people who choose to hear the JCM800 as a better amp.
3. Marshall haters.

Some people simply don't like marshall. I understand this as loyality towards brands is important for many. Even I was "never going to get anything besides VOX"
4. Other amps are in fact better.
The JCM2000 might in fact not be the greatest amp for that price. I think this is down to the individual
5. People who pluck on the amps for five minutes/ people trolling.
Some people say that "marshall suck" for their own ****s and giggles. Other people are too quick to judge the amp. They fail to explore the sound, play on a ****ty cab or fail to warm up the amps.

Anyone else have some opinons?

Har nånn egentli vorri langt sjøl om bestemt sæ for å bruk t å me gå å vill å gjør sjå mer lik?
Last edited by perkristian876 at Mar 11, 2008,
#2
This applies to almost every amplifier on this forum other than line 6 spiders and mgs
Its what happens when you or on teh internetz
#4
the same thing with the JCM2000 TSL series.

Its beyond me, but oh well.

I enjoy the tone and when I play out I always have people complimenting my tone.
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#5
I like the Marshall 2000's, they are much more modern voiced, but still retain the marshall bite. I like the JCM 800 better, but still think the DSL and TSL have a place in the hearts of many rockers. Yes there are better amps for the price, but I think they do sound pretty good for some styles.
#6
Who cares who's against? You don't buy gear to make everyone else happy, right? People may have different opinions, but in Internet it usually goes like: "it sucks" or "FTW" which makes everything sound like a ten-year-old-kid ranting about sweets...
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look all i wanted was for someone to give me advice on what to do not to slag me off ok

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#7
I'd rather have a Laney GH than a Marshall DSL; the Marshalls aren't bad amps but the Laneys are superior (imo) and cheaper.
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#8
I HATE The JCM2000s. For a bunch of reasons:

1. Overpriced - the DSL401, for example, costs way more than what it's worth, with its MG speaker and everything.

2. Tone - They don't do a Classic tone, and they're way too flabby, muddy and loose for any good kind of modern tone. It just becomes a fuzzbox.

3. Name - If this amp didn't have the Marshall name on it and you were comparing it to a seriosu competitor, with all the DSL's features remaining the same, you wouldn't give it a second glance.
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#9
Ugh. I hate these threads.

If you see someone making a negative post about a specific guitar/amp/cable/sandwich, ask them right then and there to back up their opinion. Don't go making another "Why doesn't anyone like ...?" or "What is it with people and ....?" thread.
#10
its quite simple really. there are two main reasons.

a) yes, sometimes people have preconceptions about amps based on what they've read or been told, and those influence how they hear him.

b) there is no such thing as good tone. i'd like to repeat that if i may. there is no such thing as good tone. there is only the tone which you prefer. there are a lot of cheapish solid state amps that i'd rather own than a 5150 because i'm not interested in the tone of a 5150, it achieves a sound which isn't the sound i want. it doesn't mean its a bad amp, or that the solid states are better. it just means that it doesn't suit the sound i want. that's all anyones really looking for in an amp, something that has the sound they want. if everyone was after the same thing, hell, we wouldn't need so many companies making so many different amps.
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#11
Quote by mr_hankey
Ugh. I hate these threads.

If you see someone making a negative post about a specific guitar/amp/cable/sandwich, ask them right then and there to back up their opinion. Don't go making another "Why doesn't anyone like ...?" or "What is it with people and ....?" thread.


Is this not a discussion forum?

Have i got the meaning of the word "forum" wrong?
Har nånn egentli vorri langt sjøl om bestemt sæ for å bruk t å me gå å vill å gjør sjå mer lik?
#12
Quote by perkristian876
Is this not a discussion forum?

Have i got the meaning of the word "forum" wrong?


This, and every thread like it, is pointless. It's basically one person defending their gear choice.

Leave room for more useful threads.
#13
Quote by mr_hankey
This, and every thread like it, is pointless. It's basically one person defending their gear choice.

Leave room for more useful threads.



Okay.

The deal is that i got the amp head REALLY cheap. And i really wonder why someone say so much bad about it.
Har nånn egentli vorri langt sjøl om bestemt sæ for å bruk t å me gå å vill å gjør sjå mer lik?
#14
Well, I love my DSL quite simply and if you don't that's fine. But I do so I am most happy with it

It's more modern voicing gives it a certain flexability that JCM800's and 900's tend to lack, but make up for it by being more specialised in certain genres. But when I was deciding I knew I needed a flexable sound, I don't like limiting myself to one or two genres. The DSL fits the bill beautifully.
#15
I agree with the sentiment regarding the tone being muddy and loose, and I very much agree with the sentiment regarding the 2000's being overpriced for what they are. It's all subjective, but I couldn't get a tone that I considered usable out of the DSL I had unless it had a Tubescreamer up front to tighten it up a bit. Fortunately I bought it when they were still comparatively inexpensive and I ended up selling it used for exactly what I paid for it new (the new price had soared almost $400 in the time I owned it).
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#16
For the same reason they hate Rectifiers:

They are biased n00bs that base all of their assumptions and opinions about gear on s0m3 stfuf tehy haerd 0n teh interwebzzz without actually playing the amp.
#17
People are entitled to opinions, lets keep it that way.

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#18
Quote by Gibson_Left
For the same reason they hate Rectifiers:

They are biased n00bs that base all of their assumptions and opinions about gear on s0m3 stfuf tehy haerd 0n teh interwebzzz without actually playing the amp.


That's also the reason for people that do like them.
#19
the DSL401 i have just doesn't sound good tho...
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#20
Quote by mr_hankey
That's also the reason for people that do like them.


That's true, it goes both ways. But more people here jump on the Recto-hate bandwagon for no reason.

I love my Triple Rectifier
#21
Quote by ECistheBest
the DSL401 i have just doesn't sound good tho...


Dude the DSL combos are ****ing horrible

I'm sorry you bought one
#22
Quote by ECistheBest
the DSL401 i have just doesn't sound good tho...



The combos suffer from horrible speakers and often poor tubes.
Har nånn egentli vorri langt sjøl om bestemt sæ for å bruk t å me gå å vill å gjør sjå mer lik?
#23
i got new tubes and new speakers too

and they're not bad tubes. i doubt marshall puts in better tubes in heads than combos tho. they just put in marshall branded sovtek tubes. i got warehouse speakers British lead. it's a Celestion Classic Lead equivalent. with lots of dope (goop on the tip of the speaker cone) but it still sounds harsh in the treble.
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#24
Quote by ECistheBest
i got new tubes and new speakers too

and they're not bad tubes. i doubt marshall puts in better tubes in heads than combos tho. they just put in marshall branded sovtek tubes. i got warehouse speakers British lead. it's a Celestion Classic Lead equivalent. with lots of dope (goop on the tip of the speaker cone) but it still sounds harsh in the treble.


Yeah they sound bad no matter what you do.
#25
Quote by Gibson_Left
That's true, it goes both ways. But more people here jump on the Recto-hate bandwagon for no reason.

I love my Triple Rectifier



I hate people that jump the Recto hate bandwagon. I have had people bash my Road King. And I was like, my amp will eat you for breakfast. No, seriously, I have to feed it. He gets hungry once in a while...
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#26
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I hate people that jump the Recto hate bandwagon. I have had people bash my Road King. And I was like, my amp will eat you for breakfast. No, seriously, I have to feed it. He gets hungry once in a while...


Yeah anybody here who says the suck

A. Hasn't played one

B. Can't play guitar

C. Can't dial in an amp
#27
Quote by forsaknazrael
It's called an opinion?

Anyway, I don't like most the JCM2000 series. Just not really the "Marshall tone" that I'm looking for.


+1, and the DSL, and the JVM. To me none of them sound like an authentic Marshall.
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#28
Quote by thankyougermany
+1, and the DSL, and the JVM. To me none of them sound like an authentic Marshall.



I used to own a JVM. I sold that shit...
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#29
Quote by Gibson_Left
Yeah anybody here who says the suck

A. Hasn't played one

B. Can't play guitar

C. Can't dial in an amp


I'm not commenting on whether the rectos suck or not (because I haven't played one, can't play guitar AND I can't dial in an amp), but that argument is basically saying "Either you agree with me or you just suck and I'm still right".
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#30
Quote by ECistheBest
i got new tubes and new speakers too

and they're not bad tubes. i doubt marshall puts in better tubes in heads than combos tho. they just put in marshall branded sovtek tubes. i got warehouse speakers British lead. it's a Celestion Classic Lead equivalent. with lots of dope (goop on the tip of the speaker cone) but it still sounds harsh in the treble.


If I remember right its open back right? A lot of the Marshall sound is closed back greenback loaded cab.
#31
Quote by Fama
I'm not commenting on whether the rectos suck or not (because I haven't played one, can't play guitar AND I can't dial in an amp), but that argument is basically saying "Either you agree with me or you just suck and I'm still right".



Actually I kinda agree. Mainly because saying "this amp sucks" is different than saying "I don't like this amp"

When you get to a certain point, amps don't really suck, they're just not for you.
#34
It was muddy and weird on the distortion for me. The shared EQ just pissed me off even more. I have a 5150 now and its to die for. I do miss cleans though.
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#35
Quote by Say Ocean
Actually I kinda agree. Mainly because saying "this amp sucks" is different than saying "I don't like this amp"

When you get to a certain point, amps don't really suck, they're just not for you.


Well, you do have a point. But to behonest, when people say "XXX sucks", they're usually expressing their opinion - for example when they talk about a band or a music style. There'd a lot less heated feelings if people would just replace the "XYZ sucks" with "I don't like XYZ".
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#36
Quote by Fama
I'm not commenting on whether the rectos suck or not (because I haven't played one, can't play guitar AND I can't dial in an amp), but that argument is basically saying "Either you agree with me or you just suck and I'm still right".


No it's just that most people on this forum have no ear for tone and don't ever know what they are talking about.

If they gave another reason than the generic "they're too loose and flubby and fizzy" for not liking them maybe I'd listen. Granted, there are some people who do know what they are talking about, and I respect their opinions. Personally, I like the Recto series, though I understand how you might not like them. It's just that this forum is so full of complete n00bs that I generally don't listen when they say they don't like something.

I know it's extremely elitist of me, but hey, so are they
#37
Quote by forsaknazrael
I thought the JVM did okay, better than the JCM2000 and Vintage modern amps...

Not quite the classic Marshall tone, but better high gain than the aforementioned amps, and does an okay job at the vintage tones.



TBH, I hate any Marshall Amp after the JCM800. Anything else sounds like piss. I have sold 2 Marshalls (One doesn't count because it was an MG), and finally found an amp I love.
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#38
Quote by FLCLcowdude
TBH, I hate any Marshall Amp after the JCM800. Anything else sounds like piss. I have sold 2 Marshalls (One doesn't count because it was an MG), and finally found an amp I love.


I would tend to agree with you except that I do like the DSL heads.

I really don't like the JVM either. It has WAY too much gain
#39
Quote by FLCLcowdude
TBH, I hate any Marshall Amp after the JCM800. Anything else sounds like piss. I have sold 2 Marshalls (One doesn't count because it was an MG), and finally found an amp I love.

I hear you. I personally would never buy the JVM because I have no need for all the bells and whistles. Plus, it doesn't do the classic tones well enough for me to justify buying it.
#40
Quote by forsaknazrael
I hear you. I personally would never buy the JVM because I have no need for all the bells and whistles. Plus, it doesn't do the classic tones well enough for me to justify buying it.



The Road King has many more Bells and Whistles, but they are actually usable.
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