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I love Petrucci's tone but I can't get the right sound out of my pedal and amp.
I'm pretty sure it's because of my small and sh4ty equipment.
I'm mainly looking for his Tone on Glasgow Kiss
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2YWXpHl9sGk

I have VOXAD30VT as my amp, and BOSS GT-3 as an effects pedal and a Peavey Wolfgang asd a guitar.

Ok so this is my question, is it POSSIBLE to come really near his tone? Or is there no way with my equipment? I have gotten close, but not THAT close.

And if it isn't possible, what should I get rid of, and what equipment at least should I get to catch his tone?
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yeah, its easy to get his ton. All you need is about $20,000
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The amps he use are Mesa/Boogie stacks, so if there's a Rectifier setting on your amp or pedal, then that would get about as close as you're going to get.
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Quote by blue_strat
The amps he use are Mesa/Boogie stacks, so if there's a Rectifier setting on your amp or pedal, then that would get about as close as you're going to get.



Could you explain what a rectifier is?
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Nope not even close to true. Maybe for some of the solos.

But to the OP if you have a Road King and a Mark IV you shouldn't have any problem getting his tone
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Quote by Luppi
90% Fingers n 10% Gear

Thats not true at all. I know some tone is in the fingers but nowhere near that statistic.

And to get his tone you would have to buy the equipment he uses. Or try and find a high gain amp with a smooth distortion and use high output pickups. And for a lot of his lead he uses the neck pickup.
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I wouldn't say 90% is in fingers...It does matter, but not to the point where you can't emulate another's tone with the proper gear.

Anyways, on topic. JP has seriously the most insanely good tone, and it is impossible to match it unless you've got like 50 grand to spare. Really. His setup is so ridiculously versatile, and everything is so clean and tight...You've got to have money to make that happen.

To make due with what you've got, I'd just fiddle around until I hear something I like.
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Quote by Luppi
90% Fingers n 10% Gear


No, tone is in the gear. Fingers have nothing to do with it.

To the threadstarter: Good luck. A Road King or a Mark IV would be your best bet, depending on which album's tone you want.
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^ not true either. I would say more like 20 percent of tone comes from the fingers, and 80 percent the gear.
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John petrucci's tone is the best tone I've ever heard. But, as others labeled, you'd need to fork out a huge sum of money to get that tone.
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^ not true either. I would say more like 20 percent of tone comes from the fingers, and 80 percent the gear.


No, tone is all in the gear. Guitarist sound different because they articulate notes differently, but if you gave me Vai's gear, my tone would be exactly the same. At the most, you'll get very minor tonal difference resulting from the angle of the pick, or how far away from the bridge you're hitting the strings.
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So if he was playing through a Deluxe Reverb it would be 90% there? Okay

Precisely. if john petrucci played a squier through a squier amp it would still sound like john petrucci's tone!
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Precisely. if john petrucci played a squier through a squier amp it would still sound like john petrucci's tone!


No, it wouldn't. It wouldn't sound even remotely similar.
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Quote by Archeo Avis
No, tone is all in the gear. Guitarist sound different because they articulate notes differently, but if you gave me Vai's gear, my tone would be exactly the same. At the most, you'll get very minor tonal difference resulting from the angle of the pick, or how far away from the bridge you're hitting the strings.


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Precisely. if john petrucci played a squier through a squier amp it would still sound like john petrucci's tone!


No, you'd still know it was trooch playing because his playing is distinctive; you can tell if it's him or one of his songs because his solo style is distinctive. If he played through a Marshall it would sound like trooch because you know the way he plays, the tone would be completely different.

TS: He has a stupidly huge rig for live shows and for recording you can forget about getting that tone exactly to be honest, I would just try to find a tone that you like from your amp and stop trying to emulate other people.
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I own both the roadking and Mark IV, can't quite get his tone precisely. The fact that he used 3-4 roadkings at once, and 2 marks at once on top of about $8,000 in effects processors (3eventides+2gforce+dunlop rack wah) He's going to have a hard tone to mimic.

To get something close to his sound you're going to need a pretty snarling medium-high gain to high gain tube amp, Overdrive, and some pretty hot pickups. A peavey 6505+ stack at a local store gave me a similar metal tone to petrucci with the mids boosted. The lead tone was still quite a bit off. Petrucci's lead tone has less gain than the rhythm tone. The rhythm tone is modern channel 4 on roadking (ballsy as it gets) while the lead tone is vintage channel 3, bit sizzlier but not as overall distored, think a pushed marshall (van halen or Joe Satch) tone.

You can pick up 5150 combos, which are simlar amps, IMO, not quite as meaty as the head/cab but overall much better than the Vox, for under $700.
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^ he scoops his mids..disappointed.
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^ he scoops his mids..disappointed.


It's a mark IV.

If you don't scoop the mids it sounds awful. There are 2 mid adjustments on that amp too. The EQ mids are pretty high, the GEQ are cut, which in the end gives you a fairly flat overall EQ curve.

If anything the treble is a bit boosted.
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No, tone is all in the gear. Guitarist sound different because they articulate notes differently, but if you gave me Vai's gear, my tone would be exactly the same. At the most, you'll get very minor tonal difference resulting from the angle of the pick, or how far away from the bridge you're hitting the strings.

Plus the amount of pressure with which you fret notes, your vibrato, your sense of phrasing and rhythm, how hard or soft you pick in various contexts ...

Your fingers have a huge impact on the sound that comes out of your amplifier. I don't know if you're being more specific here with the terminology of "tone".
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I was only showing him what Rectifier models are supposed to emulate, not the exact gear that Petrucci uses.
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Your fingers have a huge impact on the sound that comes out of your amplifier. I don't know if you're being more specific here with the terminology of "tone".


Vibrato isn't tone.
Phrasing isn't tone.
Rhythm isn't tone.
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So if he was playing through a Deluxe Reverb it would be 90% there? Okay


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Thanks a lot for all of your help, when I get enough money (if i'll ever do) i'll buy some of his equipment. A day after I made this thread I sat on my effects pedal and amp and started trying out and fixing some equalization on my pedal and the amp...

Finally after a few hours I was able to get something simliar to Glasgow Kiss' tone, I'm very happy with it even if it doesn't sound exactly...

I got another question though, does he basically use the same "effect" for every distortion he records or plays, but with diffrent equalization in each song? Wait, does he even use an equalizer? I still have to learn on how to make a distortion sound with power. Btw, I noticed I had to switch the compressor on my pedal on to get that thick distortion...I never knew what a "compressor" actually does, it's supposed to compress but it seems like it makes the sound thicker.

I also compared his tone with many other great guitarists, and in my opinion there's no other tone that beats his...his is perfect, he really works hard to get get to where he wants to.
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^ he scoops his mids..disappointed.


What's the problem?

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Vibrato isn't tone.
Phrasing isn't tone.
Rhythm isn't tone.


Sorry to say it, but you're wrong. Without a good vibrato, tasteful phrasing, and a good sense of rhythm, you'll sound like **** no matter who/what rig you're playing through.
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Sorry to say it, but you're wrong. Without a good vibrato, tasteful phrasing, and a good sense of rhythm, you'll sound like **** no matter who/what rig you're playing through.


Correct, you sound like ****, not your tone. It's just that a good tone is useless if the player sucks.
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Quote by XxLloydxX
Thanks a lot for all of your help, when I get enough money (if i'll ever do) i'll buy some of his equipment. A day after I made this thread I sat on my effects pedal and amp and started trying out and fixing some equalization on my pedal and the amp...

Finally after a few hours I was able to get something simliar to Glasgow Kiss' tone, I'm very happy with it even if it doesn't sound exactly...

I got another question though, does he basically use the same "effect" for every distortion he records or plays, but with diffrent equalization in each song? Wait, does he even use an equalizer? I still have to learn on how to make a distortion sound with power. Btw, I noticed I had to switch the compressor on my pedal on to get that thick distortion...I never knew what a "compressor" actually does, it's supposed to compress but it seems like it makes the sound thicker.

I also compared his tone with many other great guitarists, and in my opinion there's no other tone that beats his...his is perfect, he really works hard to get get to where he wants to.
Can you tell me the settings you found out?
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^Compression makes the loud notes quieter and the quiet notes louder for a more even range of dynamics.

Amps have equalization on them, so Yes he does use an equalizer. Mark IV's have additional graphic EQ's along with their normal EQ's.

He doesn't use an effect pedal for the majority of his distortion, so if that's what you mean no. If you are simply referring to his tone, then yes and no. While his distorted tones are all distorted, some have more/less gain, some are more fluid, some oare more sizzly, etc.

If you want, I believe I have a magazine where he actually gives settings for his mark IV.
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Dude, JP's Overlord gear is designed by NASA. Unless your uncle works there, you are not eligible for the Overlord tone.
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I would define "Tone" as the way in which the sounds that come from the guitar come through different gear, until it comes out the amplifier and to the ears. In that sense, the actual tone is separate from fingers, phrasing and rhythm.

Phrasing and the like are all tools, by which you can emulate sound. You can mimic perfectly Petrucci's phrasing and stuff, but that's a prerequisite. Basically, these are before tone, not actually having to do with the tone itself.

An example would be when you say, "It's between X and Y". Well, I would say that fingers and phrasing and rhythm would all be A-X. But the tone is what is between X and Y. So yes, all that is 90% of performing, but not 90% of tone itself.

Right now I can get similar to John's tone on Animate Inanimate, but that's because on that song, his tone is incredibly thin, because he layers and slides and such on it. I don't have the compression, nor high distortion gear he uses on anything else. To get a little, try using some DiMarzio pickups (liquifire and Crunch lab) and then putting a 7millisecond delay on your guitar after the distortion effects. It supposedly makes the guitar sound a little bigger.
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No, tone is in the gear. Fingers have nothing to do with it.

To the threadstarter: Good luck. A Road King or a Mark IV would be your best bet, depending on which album's tone you want.



uuum yeaaaah, try nailing jimmy page's tone with a gibby and plexi, you will get close, but never nail it completely. same goes for everyones finger tone, you won't get the brown sound exactly even with a variced plexi and PAF pickups on a custom built fender body guitar.

Gear and finger have no tonal ratio, it's dynamic and changes all the time
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I would define "Tone" as the way in which the sounds that come from the guitar come through different gear, until it comes out the amplifier and to the ears. In that sense, the actual tone is separate from fingers, phrasing and rhythm.

Phrasing and the like are all tools, by which you can emulate sound. You can mimic perfectly Petrucci's phrasing and stuff, but that's a prerequisite. Basically, these are before tone, not actually having to do with the tone itself.

An example would be when you say, "It's between X and Y". Well, I would say that fingers and phrasing and rhythm would all be A-X. But the tone is what is between X and Y. So yes, all that is 90% of performing, but not 90% of tone itself.

Right now I can get similar to John's tone on Animate Inanimate, but that's because on that song, his tone is incredibly thin, because he layers and slides and such on it. I don't have the compression, nor high distortion gear he uses on anything else. To get a little, try using some DiMarzio pickups (liquifire and Crunch lab) and then putting a 7millisecond delay on your guitar after the distortion effects. It supposedly makes the guitar sound a little bigger.



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