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I'm writing a paper for school about the effects of punk rock music on young people. I'm going for all sides of it (positive, negative, neutral). Some main points I have so far are rebellion (negative), standing up for what you believe in (kind of like rebellion, but in a positive light), and a few other topics. Anybody got any ideas they are willing to contribute?

Thanks.

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Last edited by PCbassist at Apr 28, 2008,
#2
If rebelling is negative, George Washington is a bad influence.


I'd substitute not thinking for yourself as a negative. AKA: casualties fans.
#3
I was thinking rebellion in a destructive way (young punks just breaking something to break something, hit someone just to hit someone etc.), but that is a good point.
#4
A positive is that it opened up music to the bored youth. Before punk you had prog bands (that had connections with late 60s pschedelia) that involved really good musicians playing expensive gear. Punk was like a "grab a guitar, learn to play, play a show in a month or so".

DIY attitude to music and a lot of other areas aswell - which is good, promoting independance in youth.
#5
Rebellion definitely isn't a bad thing, people who rebel just to rebel are stupid, but rebellion for a cause is not bad but good.
#6
Write about the damn kids with their skateboards on the sidewalks.
#7
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hey shut up, I don't care who answers this, I just want some input.
#9
i think that it still boils down to whether the listening individual is intelligent or not. nothing good will come out of a lifelong idiot listening to punk rock. but punk rock can enrich people who are already sensible and smart.
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#10
Quote by PCbassist
hey shut up, I don't care who answers this, I just want some input.



You may not care. But we care, cause you'll end up getting sh*tty information.

And what you described isn't rebellion. Thats stupidity.
#11
That means everyone except visiblenoise and coquet have to leave. Let's all be going and leave the punx alone. punkrockfan66 can stay too.
Last edited by StreetLight3989 at Mar 11, 2008,
#12
Quote by PCbassist
hey shut up, I don't care who answers this, I just want some input.
You should hope they do leave, if you want good information
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Quote by Bob_Sacamano
i kinda wish we all had a penis and vagina instead of buttholes

i mean no offense to buttholes and poop or anything

Rest in Peace, Troy Davis and Trayvon Martin and Jordan Davis and Eric Garner and Mike Brown
#13
Quote by original=punk
You may not care. But we care, cause you'll end up getting sh*tty information.

And what you described isn't rebellion. Thats stupidity.

alright, whatever you want lol

To me, it's placed under the rebellion category. At least, that's how I've heard it described. It is the mindless form of rebellion, but I still think it falls into that category.
#14
^It's kind of rebelling for the purpose of rebelling which is stupid. That's got nothing to do with punk either. More drunk jocks destroy property than punks actually.
#15
Positive: They won't be listening to Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd
Negative: They'll probably be listening to Rancid and the Casualties
More Negative: They might want a stupid mohawk
Neutral: Milk Hotel
My style is impetuous.
My defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious.
I want your heart.
I want to eat your children.

-Mike Tyson
#18
their are only negative effects from punk rawk.
everyone wants to get their hair like pete ......

ok ok seriously
political awareness (well some people), vegetarian/vegan lifestyle, alternative lifestyle, A PLACE TO BELONG, something to do, killer tunes (yep killer), and peacock hair.

element you onwed this thread BTW
#19
Negative:
Acting angry towards everything is cool.
Violence is kewl.
Misogyny is teh coolzorz.
Music elitism.
An unwarranted sense of self-importance.
People declaring themselves "punk rock experts."
Hardline. FSU, and sXe in general
Wearing a punk rawk uniform while making fun of fashion.
Copious amounts of drugs

Positive:
All real punk music
Political Activism
Slam-dancing
Mohawks (mohawks look awesome and you all know it)
Acceptance of minorities and them darn queers
Scaring normal people
The DIY network
Power chords
Yummy yummy punk rock girls
I love Hardcore boys, I love boys hardcore
Cheap shows
Cheap beer
Cheap Sex (tee hee)
Journalism is just a gun. It's only got one bullet in it, but if you aim right, that's all you need. Aim it right, and you can blow a kneecap off the world.
#20
it really depends on what an individual decipher from the term 'punk' and the term 'rebellion'
boycotting capitalist corporations such as mcdonalds, nike, etc. (which i dont do) is rebellion
beating up your teacher because he gave you detention for not handing in homework in time is also rebellion

to personal experience, what punk rock really had effect on me is opening my eyes wider and take a look around the world. wars, corrupted government, violent authority, sheeple societies, etc. and its not brainwashing because its music and its a choice whether you want to walk that road or not
true punks (mohawk or no mohawk, spikes or no spikes) rebel with a cause, a cause that he/she thinks its right and is something he/she stands up for. and it wont have a thing to do with violence or oppression
#21
Punk is positive because it helped me embrace Jesus Christ as my personal lord and savior.
#22
ha, i am writing a paper for composition two on persuading god's non existance...
Quote by BrianApocalypse
Rancid are the best punk band ever.

Tim Armstrong is a songwriting genius, is a complete fashion diva and has an incredible singing voice.

He doesn't sound like Opie from family guy at all.
#24
God does exist, because scientists have a radio with an increased frequency range, and they can actually hear mysterious chatter from outer space, which sounds like an old man dictating the bible

Sadly, this option isn't there on commerical radios yet.
#25
Quote by Berlioz97
good luck. you will never be able to prove the non-existance of god.
silly atheists.


You can, however, argue the negligible probability of god's existence, and the arbitrariness of the very idea of god.

Nobody is 100% certain of god's nonexistence but being 99% certain is enough to separate one's-self as an atheist rather than an agnostic.
Last edited by sargasm at Mar 12, 2008,
#26
People always say that rock and metal is so bad but I actually think rap and pop are worse. Music where money and degrading women are the main points of the music is just teaching people bad morals.
#27
Quote by Lethal Dosage
People always say that rock and metal is so bad but I actually think rap and pop are worse. Music where money and degrading women are the main points of the music is just teaching people bad morals.


Wu Tang Clan ain't nothin to fuck with.
#28
Quote by original=punk
If rebelling is negative, George Washington is a bad influence.


I'd substitute not thinking for yourself as a negative. AKA: casualties fans.



haha
#29
Quote by Lethal Dosage
People always say that rock and metal is so bad but I actually think rap and pop are worse. Music where money and degrading women are the main points of the music is just teaching people bad morals.

...
*points at Motley Crue*
...
*leaves*

And this is a punk thing, just so you know. So don't mention metal. It angers me.
FUCK YOU! GET PUMPED!
#31
Punk rock tried to kill the metal, and it was thrown to the ground!
Journalism is just a gun. It's only got one bullet in it, but if you aim right, that's all you need. Aim it right, and you can blow a kneecap off the world.
#32
^ hahaha! tenacious d!

if punk rock has negative effects on someone, then that person isnt taking in the music and lyrics correctly. punk allows kids to live their life and not waste their youth on education, textbooks and television.
#33
Quote by axeslash
Punk rock tried to kill the metal, and it was thrown to the ground!


i always wondered about that line...how did we try and kill the metal?
Quote by BrianApocalypse
Rancid are the best punk band ever.

Tim Armstrong is a songwriting genius, is a complete fashion diva and has an incredible singing voice.

He doesn't sound like Opie from family guy at all.
#34
Quote by sargasm
You can, however, argue the negligible probability of god's existence, and the arbitrariness of the very idea of god.

Nobody is 100% certain of god's nonexistence but being 99% certain is enough to separate one's-self as an atheist rather than an agnostic.


that is what i am going for, i am not gonna prove his non existance 100%, just give enough evidence to persuade...

does anyone know of any books i could use?
Quote by BrianApocalypse
Rancid are the best punk band ever.

Tim Armstrong is a songwriting genius, is a complete fashion diva and has an incredible singing voice.

He doesn't sound like Opie from family guy at all.
#35
positive:
the will to create a better world
punks are politicaly educated (that´s true)
the punk community is for everybody and we´re still elitist
we don´t insult people for looking like a member of Finntroll
throw stones on the police
throw stones on nazis
we are pacifist
everbody can dance pogo

negative:
throw stones on the police
#36
Quote by mike2
i always wondered about that line...how did we try and kill the metal?

By influencing ****ty hardcore bands
Edwards Les Paul Custom
Burny SG Junior
DIY Telecaster
Keeley RAT 2
Marshall JCM 800 4104
#37
Does anyone know of any books or movies on this topic? I need to cite some sources. I might cite UG as a source, just for ****s and giggles.
#38
SLC Punk...that movie is the greatest representation of the punk lifestyle, the good and the bad
Steve-O was a tRo0 PaWnxzer
Propaganda does not deceive people; it merely helps them to deceive themselves-Eric Hoffer

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CBGB wants to be famous like the others such as Green Day and Offspring. They don't want to be a underground punk band.
#39
Quote by BostonLacrosse
SLC Punk...that movie is the greatest representation of the punk lifestyle, the good and the bad
Steve-O was a tRo0 PaWnxzer

already had that in mind. It's a great movie. I'm thinking about using that more for quotes than information since it is fictional.
#40
it is very fictional and alot of people would argue that it does a horrible job representing punk youth in todays culture, so good call on the "just quotes" thing
Propaganda does not deceive people; it merely helps them to deceive themselves-Eric Hoffer

Quote by GannonBracewell

CBGB wants to be famous like the others such as Green Day and Offspring. They don't want to be a underground punk band.
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