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#1
Argument with a friend, someone solve it for me. He won't listen to me.

I say if you're referring to a band, you say "are" he insists you say, "is."

Like, "The Mars Volta suck."

or would you say, "The Mars Volta sucks."

And I don't think they suck, It's just how the argument started.
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#3
The Mars Volta sucks.

Not saying they actually do, just that's how you would say it.

Like: Iron Maiden OWNS!, not Iron Maiden OWN!
#5
i would say "are" but i would also say that "the mars volta suck" works as well as "the mars volta sucks" either way, the message is getting across
#7
i think its pural but the odd tim i might say it as singular but i believe it is correct plural
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#8
Because a band, regardless of whether the band name is singular or plural, is a single entity or object, you refer to any band/ensemble as "is". This is the correct usage of grammar. Using "are" is simply wrong.

Ex:

"The Beatles is an iconic band of the 60's."
"Incubus is a modern rock band."

...modes and scales are still useless.


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Because a band, regardless of whether the band name is singular or plural, is a single entity or object, you refer to any band/ensemble as "is". This is the correct usage of grammar. Using "are" is simply wrong.

Ex:

"The Beatles is an iconic band of the 60's."
"Incubus is a modern rock band."

You're not referring to a single entity, you're referring to four band members. I'm not saying it's because of the band name, I'm saying because you're referring to multiple people in a group. It's the same thing as, "I think they (They being four people) suck"

Not< "I think they (They being four people) sucks.
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You're not referring to a single entity, you're referring to four band members. I'm not saying it's because of the band name, I'm saying because you're referring to multiple people in a group. It's the same thing as, "I think they (They being four people) suck"

Not< "I think they (They being four people) sucks.


Mars Volta is simply the title of the band. If you said "the members of...", then using "are" is correct.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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#11
I think I use "are" when referring to a band....i.e. "Led Zeppelin are awesome", "The Twang suck", and so on.

Yup, sounds right to me.
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I think I use "are" when referring to a band....i.e. "Led Zeppelin are awesome", "The Twang suck", and so on.

Yup, sounds right to me.

Maybe in Scottish...

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#13
I use is, but you should use whatever gets your point across and not be a grammar Nazi about it.
#14
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Because a band, regardless of whether the band name is singular or plural, is a single entity or object, you refer to any band/ensemble as "is". This is the correct usage of grammar. Using "are" is simply wrong.

Ex:

"The Beatles is an iconic band of the 60's."
"Incubus is a modern rock band."

I'm pretty sure he's right. It sounds improper because a lot of bands have plural words as their name. However, because a band is a single entity, then you use the singular "is".

It's different if you are referring to them as members of a group, something like
"The members of the Beatles are all amazing musicians"
vs. "The Beatles is made up of amazing musicians"

maybe?
#15
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Mars Volta is simply the title of the band. If you said "the members of...", then using "are" is correct.

Yes, but I'm not saying, "The title The Mars Volta sucks." If we were referring to the title of the band, I'd say you were right. But in itself, the insult is directed at the members of the band. So, it's the same thing as saying, "Omar, Cedric, Jon, etc, suck."

You wouldn't say, "Omar, Cedric, Jon, etc sucks."
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#16
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You're not referring to a single entity, you're referring to four band members. I'm not saying it's because of the band name, I'm saying because you're referring to multiple people in a group. It's the same thing as, "I think they (They being four people) suck"

Not< "I think they (They being four people) sucks.

Aren't you referring to the band as a whole when you say the band same? "Primus is made up of talented musicians." vs "Primus are made up of talented musicians." The band is a group made by three separate people, but I am calling them one thing by the band name.
#17
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Yes, but I'm not saying, "The title The Mars Volta sucks." If we were referring to the title of the band, I'd say you were right. But in itself, the insult is directed at the members of the band. So, it's the same thing as saying, "Omar, Cedric, Jon, etc, suck."

You wouldn't say, "Omar, Cedric, Jon, etc sucks."

That's why you say "the members of..." Again, even though you might mean to refer to the individuals within the group, your diction still refers to the title by standard conventions.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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#18
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Aren't you referring to the band as a whole when you say the band same? "Primus is made up of talented musicians." vs "Primus are made up of talented musicians." The band is a group made by three separate people, but I am calling them one thing by the band name.

Ooh this post wins - that's the best argument by far.
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Aren't you referring to the band as a whole when you say the band same? "Primus is made up of talented musicians." vs "Primus are made up of talented musicians." The band is a group made by three separate people, but I am calling them one thing by the band name.

The band name would be a short hand for saying, "Les Claypool, Larry, Brain." That's the point of having a title, so I don't have to go through a list of 30 people.

You would be saying, "Those guys are amazing musicians." or "Les, Larry, and Brain are amazing musicians.
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#20
no matter if the band name is singular or plural, you are referring to one band, therefore "The Mars Volta sucks"
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#21
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no matter if the band name is singular or plural, you are referring to one band, therefore "The Mars Volta sucks"

It has nothing to do with the title, it has to do with the people involved. He's saying the people involved suck. The title of the band, plural or not, refers to however many people. That's why when you read a book about the Black Panthers, you would read,

"The Black Panthers were just trying to improve race relations." Not, "The Black Panthers was just trying to improve race relations." Because you're referring to those specific people, those four or five guys.
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#22
It depends on whether the verb following is being acted by the band as a whole, or by its individual members.

ie. The police is cracking down on crime. vs. The police are wearing their new uniforms.
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#23
Depends on the band names.

The Ramones suck.

Iron Maiden sucks.

You see?
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#24
I refer to them as a single entity which would make it
"The Mars Volta sucks"
Which is an incredibly false statement, but just saying.
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The band name would be a short hand for saying, "Les Claypool, Larry, Brain." That's the point of having a title, so I don't have to go through a list of 30 people.

You would be saying, "Those guys are amazing musicians." or "Les, Larry, and Brain are amazing musicians.

Tim*

What about something like "class"? The class (single group of separate people) is going on a field trip. Wouldn't "class" refer to the group of separate people as one whole unit, going on a field trip?
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#26
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Tim*

What about something like "class"? The class (single group of separate people) is going on a field trip. Wouldn't "class" refer to the group of separate people as one whole unit, going on a field trip?

But what were they *the class* doing when they got there?

"So I went to see The Mars Volta last night."

"Oh yeah? How were they?"

"They were great, or they sucked."
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#27
If they're any good, you should refer to them as an entity, an idea.

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Edit: Actually, for the most part I think I agree with abcdboy. Except for Children of Bodom for some reason...
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#28
It would be 'The Mars Volta suck'. It would be Ebony sucks.

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#29
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Depends on the band names.

The Ramones suck.

Iron Maiden sucks.

You see?


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#30
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WIN.

Not win. The singular or pluralness of the band name doesn't have any effect.

Marilyn Manson=Band as well as a person.

I saw Marilyn Manson (Band) last night. They were amazing.

I saw Marilyn Manson (person) sing last night. He was amazing.
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#31
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Because a band, regardless of whether the band name is singular or plural, is a single entity or object, you refer to any band/ensemble as "is". This is the correct usage of grammar. Using "are" is simply wrong.

Ex:

"The Beatles is an iconic band of the 60's."
"Incubus is a modern rock band."



'The Beatles is' sounds stupid. I think it's plural, seeing as each member is a Beatle.
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#34
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how about everyone agrees to disagree?

How about they admit I'm right or GTFO?
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#35
It depends on the verb, and what is being intended.

The Mars Volta sucks = the band sucks, as a unit.

The MV suck = the individual band members each perform the verb to suck.
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#36
i think it depends on which band youre talking about and how you say the name

eg:
i would say "the darkness sucks" (not really, i love them)
but i would also say "the red hot chili peppers suck" (love them too)
BUT, i would also say "rhcp sucks" :O

so maybe it depends on if the name is a plural?
the mars volta sucks, but the mars voltas suck.
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#37
Hmm. I still stand by my original post. Let's say all guys named Bob suck. In other words Bobs suck.

The Ramones suck.

The Ramones are a group, but the name reflects their multitude. At least in my opinion. I doubt that this is actually a subject of debate for those official grammar guys.
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#38
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Depends on the band names.

The Ramones suck.

Iron Maiden sucks.

You see?


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#39
mars volta sucks
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Hmm. I still stand by my original post. Let's say all guys named Bob suck. In other words Bobs suck.

The Ramones suck.


The Ramones are a group, but the name reflects their multitude. At least in my opinion. I doubt that this is actually a subject of debate for those official grammar guys.



That's what I said, only with the Beatles.
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