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I suppose the question is a difficult one to answer, but what is the earliest recorded incidence of drop-tuning that you are aware of?

Edit: Of course, I mean dropping the low E string for a power chord, not just down-tuning or open slide-guitar style tunings.
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Well they were probably invented long ago when guitars were.
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I think blues guitarists started with it.

Well with Drop D I think.

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who the hell invented standard tuning? why is it standard? how many tunings did the guy who made the guitar go thru? im sure diff tunings were realized during the invention of the guitar itself.
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hahaha lol. different tunings have been around as long as guitars have, I would have thought.
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Most classical guitarists play in drop d.


or other similar tunings.
it's not a rock or blues thing though. it's been around forever.
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yeah sometimes i wonder. standard tuning is obviously enough so you can reach the most different intervals easily like thirds and fifths and all, and im pretty sure the difference at the b string is for easier chording. but i think drop tunings have been around since soon after the invention of the guitar itself. most stringed instruments are either tuned open or in fifths traditionally, so the guitar may have been invented for the purpose of diversity in the form of THE ULTIMATE INSTRUMENT. what im getting at though is that drop D very well may have existed before standard tuning because people still wanted to play with consecutive fifths but also chords... of course thats about 50% speculation
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yeah sometimes i wonder. standard tuning is obviously enough so you can reach the most different intervals easily like thirds and fifths and all, and im pretty sure the difference at the b string is for easier chording. but i think drop tunings have been around since soon after the invention of the guitar itself. most stringed instruments are either tuned open or in fifths traditionally, so the guitar may have been invented for the purpose of diversity in the form of THE ULTIMATE INSTRUMENT. what im getting at though is that drop D very well may have existed before standard tuning because people still wanted to play with consecutive fifths but also chords... of course thats about 50% speculation



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who the hell invented standard tuning? why is it standard? how many tunings did the guy who made the guitar go thru? im sure diff tunings were realized during the invention of the guitar itself.
for the guitar probably Antonio de Torres Jurado in the mid 1800's. As for instruments in general...I have no idea who invented the tempered tuning we have today. But it was invented around 1600's I *think*

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I'm not sure... I believe guitar would come in a very close second if so. It is an incredibly versatile instrument once you stray even a little from conventional methods of playing.
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Scordatura has been around since before the guitar was invented. Somehow I think that drop tunings were probably invented by some players or composers of other instruments.
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yeah sometimes i wonder. standard tuning is obviously enough so you can reach the most different intervals easily like thirds and fifths and all, and im pretty sure the difference at the b string is for easier chording. but i think drop tunings have been around since soon after the invention of the guitar itself. most stringed instruments are either tuned open or in fifths traditionally, so the guitar may have been invented for the purpose of diversity in the form of THE ULTIMATE INSTRUMENT. what im getting at though is that drop D very well may have existed before standard tuning because people still wanted to play with consecutive fifths but also chords... of course thats about 50% speculation


Not to start a stupid argument, especially considering this is a guitar forum, but I've always thought that fifths were a better way of tuning. Perfectly symmetrical, every chord shape is movable both laterally and vertically, and allows for more available notes per position. Brilliant.
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John Dowland was a Renaissance composer (1500-1600's-ish) From my repertoire, those are the earliest compositions I know of that call for drop-D. (D-A-D-G-B-E) Mind you, he was also composing for lute, so the pieces were arranged later.

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for rock, black sabbath, tony iommi had to detune his guitar because the tips of his fingers were cut off and he couldn't push the strings or bend them when they were that tight, turns out it was heavy too
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John Dowland was a Renaissance composer (1500-1600's-ish) From my repertoire, those are the earliest compositions I know of that call for drop-D. (D-A-D-G-B-E) Mind you, he was also composing for lute, so the pieces were arranged later.

FWIW....

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Werent lutes tuned (E-A-D-F#-b-e), so dropped-D lute tuning would also have the F# rather than the G?
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classical guitarist do it all the time in pieces where they would need to use the low d. not at all uncommon in classical or baroque guitar music
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for the guitar probably Antonio de Torres Jurado in the mid 1800's. As for instruments in general...I have no idea who invented the tempered tuning we have today. But it was invented around 1600's I *think*

but...but...but...it's called Ultimate Guitar. I agree with you btw.


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Werent lutes tuned (E-A-D-F#-b-e), so dropped-D lute tuning would also have the F# rather than the G?


The problem with lutes is that there were so many tunings - what people seemed to consider 'standard' varied from place to place and from decade to decade. Some, surely, were more pervasive than others, but with a lack of consistency (there wasn't even a consistent number of strings, for Pete's sake!), it made pedagogy difficult, and made transcriptions for lute a challenge, as the transcriptions would also have to change from place to place. Yikes!

Due to this chaos, the lute ultimately died out in favour of more 'guitar-like' creatures.

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yeah back in the days when they had those guitars that looked like bowls with lids on
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yeah back in the days when they had those guitars that looked like bowls with lids on


You mean lutes, yes?

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Quote by DeathOfBalance
I suppose the question is a difficult one to answer, but what is the earliest recorded incidence of drop-tuning that you are aware of?

Edit: Of course, I mean dropping the low E string for a power chord, not just down-tuning or open slide-guitar style tunings.

tony iomi of black sabbath played in drop d and c#
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tony iomi of black sabbath played in drop d and c#


But drop tuning has been around since classical guitars. Scordatura for other instruments existed before guitars were even invented.

Im also fairly certain that Iommi used C# standard as his fingers were to sensitive to handle the tension of E standard.