#1
I want something with a thinner neck.I'd prefer an epiphone but any suggestions are welcome. thanks.
#4
^ $200 or $900 makes a big difference. can you gives us a better range?

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#5
They're junk guitars, but I hear Fender necks are slimmer.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#6
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They're junk guitars, but I hear Fender necks are slimmer.


I dont mind the epiphones.
Fender acoustics, on the other hand, are horrible. Absolutely no balance in their sound. It amazed me that they could get it so very wrong with every one of their acoustics I have ever played/heard.
#7
Can't go wrong with a Blueridge BR-140 or BR-160. You can find a used BR-240 for sale on e-bay for around $500 or so. Its got premium wood, bone nut and saddle and ebony fret board. I own one and I'm amazed at the sound every time I pick it up.
#8
Alvarez MD95/MD90 both have very slim necks, and both are very nice guitars. The 95 will run you around 850, the 90 a hundred or 2 less. Both are schmexy.
#9
Well, as roamingbard said, $200 - $900 is a huge difference. But you mentioned Epiphone, so i recommend something from their Masterbilt series. I think they're around the $600 (give or take depending on the model) mark in the US. I have a DR500M and it has a very thin, fast neck.
#12
Quote by slamjam
maybe like a 600 dollar maximum

dont listen to this epiphone masterbilt series crap.
One word.
BREEDLOVE.
take a look at the Passports when you go to your local guitar store get a Taylor like a 1200 one get the 500 dollar Passport and the an equally priced Epiphone Masterbuilt and two things will happen. First youll say why the **** does the 500 dollar MADE IN KOREA sound bettor that the 1200 dollar made in the US Taylor, and second why does an equally priced guitar (the masterbilt) sound so ****y compared to the BREEDLOVE. seriesly im not kidding man threre ****ing awesome and when these boys go check em out BOY OH BOY theyll regret buying those nice looking epiphone acoustics i garantte you that.
I think you could get them for 450
Sure they dont look like a conventional Acoustic should look like but who gives a **** they still look pretty
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#13
What size do you want...Dreadnought, OM, OO, O, Jumbo, Mini Jumbo?

It really depends on what you want. I have played breedlove and they are pretty good. I personally would like a little more bass and most of the breedlove's I have played sounded great but just weren't for me. I personally love art and lutherie, seagull, and simon and patrick. Get one of those and if you play out put a k&k pure western mini and you will have an amazing guitar that cuts through a mix farely exceptionally.
#14
^^ I disagree with several of your statements.

Though I would not personally purchase one (I have an Alvarez of similar ilk as it is), the Epiphone Masterbilts are fine guitars for their price. I don't really think you could go wrong with them. Second, Breedloves are great guitars. But to say something from their Atlas series sounds better then a US made Taylor...I don't really buy that.

Breedlove makes great instruments..especially when you get up into the same price range as the Taylors. But there are other definite viable options.

Just as a side note: I can see by your join date, that you are somewhat new here. People will respect you and what you have to say more if you are slightly less obnoxious with your approach. All people can see about you here is how you present yourself in type. Things like proper capitalization and punctuation make a big difference. If you are passionate about something, make a strong argument. Don't resort to using swears as adjectives, and using ridiculous type. For what its worth.

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#15
^well my friend youll be extremely surprised when you sit down and play them side by side
i guese its a matter of opinion
but like i posted on another thread those ****ing a-holes(martin, taylor) dont bother to make anything good for under1300 that can compete with the Breedlove
and i take my statement back about the Breedlove i wouldnt say it sounds bettor but just as good and im really not kidding there higer end ATLAS like the AD25SM damn youll be completely taken away and surprised when compared to a Martin or Taylor of the same price, the only thing that was in the same park as it was one of there 1500 dollar MArtins and even then they were head on neck and neck.
ALL i have to say after playing a 500 dollar Breedlove guitar is this MONEY DONT MEAN A ****ING THING, NAME BRAND DONT MEAN A ****ING THING, WHERE ITS MADE DONT MEAN A ****ING THING the only thing that matters is the quality of the instrument and ive seen MArtin selling 200 dollar guitars for 600 just because of there ****ing name makes me wonder about there 1500 dollar guitars really just being 800 dollar guitars but just couse of the name they add an Extra 700, all i have to say is you cant go wrong with Breedlove quality instrument get much more than what you pay for, for a relatively cheap price in comparison to other companies.
CHINA, KOREA, JAPAN i dont give a **** just keep on making a quality instrument.
^was that a bettor aproach i dont know i dont want it to feel like im writing a paper or some **** like that i tried my best
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#16
I don't disagree with anything you said in the second half of that post. Read the second half of my previous post again. It will help you in the long run here, I promise.

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Partscaster/Tele into a bunch of pedals, a Maz 18 head, and a Z Best cab.
#17
cool ill cut back on the swearin i guese and replace the word **** wiht oh pussy feathers
and you ****ing idiot to silly goose
nah im just kidding i see what you mean and it makes sense sorry
#18
Quote by roamingbard13
I don't disagree with anything you said in the second half of that post. Read the second half of my previous post again. It will help you in the long run here, I promise.

the thing that really spokes me is the quality if you can get quality like this overseas when it comes to guitars its really hard to buy something just as good for 700 dollars extra just because its made in the US, grant it that i would much rather buy a US product but of the same quality for the same price not ganna happen in a million years.
I just wished that Martin made just as good guitars overseas as Breedlove does
why decide to make a chepo guitar made of ply wood and sell it for 600 when you could have done what breedlove did and made a Fantastic product of real wood(xcept for the sides there made of ply wood on the cheaper Atlas like the one i mentiond other than that real mahogany front and back) and sell it for the same price, made overseas.
I think what Taylor and especially Martin got going is the Rocky Balboa Syndrome
they think there all big and badass and they got no more spirit in them and got nothing to prove couse they made a big name and they decide to make a shooty pruduct for high prices.
Well let me tell you something Apollo is back in town and hes coming to kick your ass if you dont get together and shape up.
thats all i have to say.
was that bettor?
#20
Oh dear God, "the-kid," I can't read a goddamn thing you're writing. Take an English class, grow up, or read a book. Until then, I can't take anything you have to say seriously.

You sound just like some mental Hendrix-fan that trolls these boards. He insists that Martin guitars are the finest guitars in the world and parallel to none. This is utter bull****. You can't say that a single brand of guitar is the apex of string instrument design. You can't possibly say that Breedloves are the only guitar brand worth mentioning. The Passport D20 doesn't even have solid back and sides, whereas the Epiphone Masterbilt line is all solid woods. The quality is unmatched. So, get off your soapbox, play a few guitars, and form a proper ****ing opinion.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#21
well it still sounded good
i cant argue that its ganna last since like you mentioned its not made of solid woods wich i didnt know, but even then i would have prefered it over the epiphone its not a guitar im ganna get or would mind getting, im ganna go with one of the higher end ones.
Since you obviosly know alot more about acoustics than me, hows this fare.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Breedlove-Atlas-Series-AD20SR-Plus-Acoustic-Guitar?sku=512402
Its ganna be my first acoustic and ive been playin about a year and a half now have you tried it out. and where talking just strictly crap youd find at guitar center they only had one Masterbilt there and it was alright nothing amazing i think
so if you have any suggestions please tell.
#22
Quote by the-kid66(2)
well it still sounded good
i cant argue that its ganna last since like you mentioned its not made of solid woods wich i didnt know, but even then i would have prefered it over the epiphone its not a guitar im ganna get or would mind getting, im ganna go with one of the higher end ones.
Since you obviosly know alot more about acoustics than me, hows this fare.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Breedlove-Atlas-Series-AD20SR-Plus-Acoustic-Guitar?sku=512402
Its ganna be my first acoustic and ive been playin about a year and a half now have you tried it out. and where talking just strictly crap youd find at guitar center they only had one Masterbilt there and it was alright nothing amazing i think
so if you have any suggestions please tell.

Looks great, but for the money, I think you can do better. Play around. Guitar Center seems to be a little harsh on their acoustic selection. They pick sheerly by what they know is going to sell out (as any good outlet store would do; I can't fault them for it). My nearest Guitar Center doesn't carry any Masterbilt guitars. I have to go to the local shop to play any (incidentally, they stock seven of them right now). I cannot stress enough the importance of playing all the guitars you can find before you make your selection.

Not sure whether or not that one has a bone nut and saddle, but that is a very quick way of souping up your sound. All of my guitars have a bone nut (even the electrics), saddle, and pins. It really makes a world of a difference.

I remember reading (and I believe it was Breedlove; check my facts) that Breedlove uses a symmetrical bracing pattern and, for the most part, does not scallop their braces. This is a tremendously poor idea. Bracing should not be symmetrical at all! There is a bass and a treble side to the acoustic, and the bracing should be optimized for each side to allow the top to vibrate as much as possible while offering sound structural stability. I believe this could account for the "tinny" sound I heard from their guitars, but I can't be sure.

Again, look around at all the acoustics you can before you make your decision. Turn a blind eye to brand names and prices to gauge the sound you want out of your instrument.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#23
yah i played it i was just in the acoustic section at guitar center for 6 straight hours you now
i tried the Ovation the celebreties are easy to play but nothing really how should i put it, makes the guitar stand out the only one that was good was 1000 dollar it was good but not as bright as i wanted it to be.
The other one i tried was a Seagull those are good bettor than the lower end Ovations in my opinion.
Then i tried a Masterbilt i think it was a jumbo overall the best in the 600 under price range.
Next Martin one of there 900 dollar dreadnought really bright but the neck didnt feel right
and it was brighter than i could stomach.
Taylor was good but still not what i was looking for nice low end and treeble on those guitars more balanced than the Martin.
So i went over to one of the employees and asked him what my range was and i said 800-1300, keep in mind that i got a guitar center credit card thats why my budget is so inflated, all he said was breelove that i dont need no 1300 dollar guitar and pointed at the the AtlasAD25SR, sat down, played it and at first im like this is alright but then started strumming and going up and down the neck started doing all these things i havent done before. The neck fit my hand like a glove, the guitar EQ wise was perfect bass, and trebble both were extremely balanced neither out shone the other but were working together in harmony i was sold on the spot and said im ganna get this im taking this.
The only draw back i think is that when i was picking the notes werent as loud as i hoped
that specific guitar was a cut away and was wondering if this one would have more presence couse its not, there both dreadnoghts, just wondering.
#24
Quote by the-kid66(2)
yah i played it i was just in the acoustic section at guitar center for 6 straight hours you now
i tried the Ovation the celebreties are easy to play but nothing really how should i put it, makes the guitar stand out the only one that was good was 1000 dollar it was good but not as bright as i wanted it to be.
The other one i tried was a Seagull those are good bettor than the lower end Ovations in my opinion.
Then i tried a Masterbilt i think it was a jumbo overall the best in the 600 under price range.
Next Martin one of there 900 dollar dreadnought really bright but the neck didnt feel right
and it was brighter than i could stomach.
Taylor was good but still not what i was looking for nice low end and treeble on those guitars more balanced than the Martin.
So i went over to one of the employees and asked him what my range was and i said 800-1300, keep in mind that i got a guitar center credit card thats why my budget is so inflated, all he said was breelove that i dont need no 1300 dollar guitar and pointed at the the AtlasAD25SR, sat down, played it and at first im like this is alright but then started strumming and going up and down the neck started doing all these things i havent done before. The neck fit my hand like a glove, the guitar EQ wise was perfect bass, and trebble both were extremely balanced neither out shone the other but were working together in harmony i was sold on the spot and said im ganna get this im taking this.
The only draw back i think is that when i was picking the notes werent as loud as i hoped
that specific guitar was a cut away and was wondering if this one would have more presence couse its not, there both dreadnoghts, just wondering.

Ovation is . . . ugh. I've never cared for Ovation guitars. They just feel awkward to me. I have nothing against their sound, it's just that they are terribly mediocre guitars. The reason I'm an ardent Seagull supporter is because I've never found a neck that fit me so well (having exceedingly large hands). Again, look around your area for some "mom and pop" stores to try out acoustics. Guitar Centers isn't really reliable. Everyone has a bias, and they don't stock many worthwhile products.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#26
breaks my heart taylor ships all those guitars out with elixers on them they sound so lifeless and they dont do it proper justice.
my 110 has k&k pure mini pickup and inline preamp is still near perfectly intonated has a nicely aging solid sitka top and plays like a dream every one that plays it likes it and cant beleve its a 110
its going on its fourth year of playing has no cracks no loose braces (i checked when i installed my k&k ) i got lucky and bought it used 400 so i have 200 in aftermarket in it next is nut, saddle,and bridgepins. as this taylor and an old yamaha plywood guitar are all i have ever owned my self i usually limit my comments to these brands however after your rant on taylor guitars thats just silly.
yeah it sucks paying 200 dollars more than it should cost but you do get what you pay for in worksmanship and quality of overall build also the taylor custermor service is second to none that i have delt with sent me a new saddle even though they no i am not the original owner thats what you get when you buy taylor martin or any of the fine guitars built in N. America yup even those silly canucks up north can build damn fine guitars.
In short do not ever stop your self from trying out every guitar in your price range out dont say i wouldnt try this cause the neck is wide or because its cedar blah blah blah you know what im saying
play them all pick your favorites play them again narrow it down from there even flash the sales man some cash and have him put some new strings on the guitar and buy the one that talks to you regardless of brand or price well as long as you can afford it that is.
#27
yah i know what your saying on the strings
its pretty stupid to use second choice strings on an acoustic guitar if its ganna make a diffrence in someone buying your 1200 productim just ganna go in one day and not leave with a guitar until its clear witch one im taking home ill play until my fingers bleed if i have to and then play some more going back yesterday to guitar center really made me change my mind bout alot of what i said and i think im ganna have to go into that acoustic room a couple of times before i buy a guitar thats a months salary
#28
Quote by Chad48309
I remember reading (and I believe it was Breedlove; check my facts) that Breedlove uses a symmetrical bracing pattern and, for the most part, does not scallop their braces.


I'm just learning how to play the guitar and I purchased a Breedlove D20 FS and it has "Traditional advanced scalloped X-bracing".

I however am still not 100% sure that I've made the correct purchase yet. I still have plenty of time to reconsider my purchase. I never got to play with my original pick the Seagull S6. I'm hoping that my local Guitar Center has it in stock so I can compare. Practicing on my Breedlove I'm having small complications with the top of the neck and not sure if my hands are too large for it. It might be that it's 7/8 scale or a tapered neck but something might be off.

I wasn't able to test this stuff when I made the purchase because I didn't know what I was doing. But now that I have some chords down I can finalize my pick with some more personal customization.

But I can say that I did enjoy the sound of the Breedlove when the salesperson played it and that is why I currently have it.
#29
Quote by Savage Serpent
I'm just learning how to play the guitar and I purchased a Breedlove D20 FS and it has "Traditional advanced scalloped X-bracing".

I however am still not 100% sure that I've made the correct purchase yet. I still have plenty of time to reconsider my purchase. I never got to play with my original pick the Seagull S6. I'm hoping that my local Guitar Center has it in stock so I can compare. Practicing on my Breedlove I'm having small complications with the top of the neck and not sure if my hands are too large for it. It might be that it's 7/8 scale or a tapered neck but something might be off.

I wasn't able to test this stuff when I made the purchase because I didn't know what I was doing. But now that I have some chords down I can finalize my pick with some more personal customization.

But I can say that I did enjoy the sound of the Breedlove when the salesperson played it and that is why I currently have it.

My mistake, then. It's in the new issue of Acoustic Guitar magazine (which I never buy; just like Guitar Player, it has gotten to be nothing but fail in the last two years), I think. If anyone saw this, too, please let me know what company that is so I can rail them, instead.

Your hands will not be too large for the Seagull Original S6. It has a wider fretboard than most guitars, and it's the most comfortable, in my opinion.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#30
Quote by Chad48309
Ovation is . . . ugh. I've never cared for Ovation guitars. They just feel awkward to me. I have nothing against their sound, it's just that they are terribly mediocre guitars.


If you're only talking about the non-US-made models, I can see where you're coming from. The US-made ones are a different story, however.
#31
Quote by TokyoNeko
If you're only talking about the non-US-made models, I can see where you're coming from. The US-made ones are a different story, however.

Dunno. I played the Ultra and the Standard Elite, and both felt awkward as hell in my hands. I believe those are US-made? Not sure.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#33
Quote by Chad48309
Dunno. I played the Ultra and the Standard Elite, and both felt awkward as hell in my hands. I believe those are US-made? Not sure.

yah same thing hear they sounded great but when i put my hand on the neck i dont know it felt slanted or something just something was wrong with the neck
#34
Quote by the-kid66(2)
dont listen to this epiphone masterbilt series crap.
One word.
BREEDLOVE.
take a look at the Passports when you go to your local guitar store get a Taylor like a 1200 one get the 500 dollar Passport and the an equally priced Epiphone Masterbuilt and two things will happen. First youll say why the **** does the 500 dollar MADE IN KOREA sound bettor that the 1200 dollar made in the US Taylor, and second why does an equally priced guitar (the masterbilt) sound so ****y compared to the BREEDLOVE. seriesly im not kidding man threre ****ing awesome and when these boys go check em out BOY OH BOY theyll regret buying those nice looking epiphone acoustics i garantte you that.
I think you could get them for 450
Sure they dont look like a conventional Acoustic should look like but who gives a **** they still look pretty

passport... isn't that their travel guitar line? i think that is the line where they make their travel guitars and even some full size guitars (FS or something), but they are all still meant to be portable, traveling guitars. if so, i just have to disagree with everything you just said. the breedlove travel guitars are nice... but they don't sound anywhere near as good as a 300 series taylor or a full-size epiphone masterbilt. they are on par with a baby taylor or little martin sure.... but not good, full-bodied dreadnought guitars. just no.


anyway, to the threadstarter... have you played many epiphone acoustics? i wouldn't really call their necks thin imo. i think they are rather chunky really. don't get me wrong, i really like them... but there are much thinner neck profiles out there i think. alvarez has some great solid wood guitars in your price range that have thinner necks than the masterbilt guitars imo.

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EDIT: woah man this thread is a lot longer than i originally thought... deep breath...

Quote by Chad48309
Oh dear God, "the-kid," I can't read a goddamn thing you're writing. Take an English class, grow up, or read a book. Until then, I can't take anything you have to say seriously.

You sound just like some mental Hendrix-fan that trolls these boards. He insists that Martin guitars are the finest guitars in the world and parallel to none. This is utter bull****. You can't say that a single brand of guitar is the apex of string instrument design. You can't possibly say that Breedloves are the only guitar brand worth mentioning. The Passport D20 doesn't even have solid back and sides, whereas the Epiphone Masterbilt line is all solid woods. The quality is unmatched. So, get off your soapbox, play a few guitars, and form a proper ****ing opinion.

although i agree with you, calm down, good sir.
and yes i read that you did calm down and helped the kid in later posts. i just had to throw something out there to indicate that these types of posts are frowned upon since there are so many new guys around lately!

Quote by the-kid66(2)
well it still sounded good
i cant argue that its ganna last since like you mentioned its not made of solid woods wich i didnt know, but even then i would have prefered it over the epiphone its not a guitar im ganna get or would mind getting, im ganna go with one of the higher end ones.
Since you obviosly know alot more about acoustics than me, hows this fare.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Breedlove-Atlas-Series-AD20SR-Plus-Acoustic-Guitar?sku=512402
Its ganna be my first acoustic and ive been playin about a year and a half now have you tried it out. and where talking just strictly crap youd find at guitar center they only had one Masterbilt there and it was alright nothing amazing i think
so if you have any suggestions please tell.

and you... start your own thread for your own guitar search and don't go around running your mouth about the differences and superiority of guitars you clearly haven't played, and likely haven't acquired the knowledge to discern in your 1.5 year tenure anyway. no offense intended, just a bit of advice.

Quote by Chad48309
I remember reading (and I believe it was Breedlove; check my facts) that Breedlove uses a symmetrical bracing pattern and, for the most part, does not scallop their braces. This is a tremendously poor idea. Bracing should not be symmetrical at all! There is a bass and a treble side to the acoustic, and the bracing should be optimized for each side to allow the top to vibrate as much as possible while offering sound structural stability. I believe this could account for the "tinny" sound I heard from their guitars, but I can't be sure.

i'm pretty certain this isn't correct. i know breedlove doesn't use symmetrical bracing in all of their guitars anyway because the one i own doesn't have symmetrical bracing. also, breedlove pays great attention to bracing. it's kind of their signature thing that makes their guitars different. they use that bridge truss system to provide stability to the soundboard. that allows them to use not only thinner soundboards but also lighter, more scalloped than traditional bracing and experiment with different bracing patterns from many manufacturers without worry about structural intergrity.

Quote by the-kid66(2)
Some guy in another thread mentioned blueridge
and damn im taken away by what i saw at there website im ganna craigslist and see if any one has one
check this out and i would advice to do the same before buying an acoustic

http://lonehand.com/blueridge_guitars.htm

here's another piece of advice... you've gotta quit believing everything you hear or read. sure there is a ton of useful information on the internet, and sure the guys in guitar stores can give you good advice... but it isn't a good thing to bite hook, line, and sinker on everything you hear or read. you let the guy in guitar center convince you that Breedlove was the be all, end all of guitar companies. now you've let some website convince you the Blueridge is some sort of guitar mossiah. while these are both great companies and make some great guitars... the MOST important thing to rely on is your own senses. how does a guitar sound, feel, play, etc. to YOU? that's what is important. a guitar needs to be comfortable for YOU. not just the neck, but the body. the guitar needs to be comfortable for you to play standing, sitting, etc. the guitar needs to have a sound that suits YOUR particular playing style and needs. if you are a rhythm guitarist then i might say a martin D-28 is one of the best guitars out there for you, but i would never tell a fingerstyle guitarist that. i could go on and on, but i think you get the point. oh and welcome to UG!
#35
Quote by jimtaka
although i agree with you, calm down, good sir.
and yes i read that you did calm down and helped the kid in later posts. i just had to throw something out there to indicate that these types of posts are frowned upon since there are so many new guys around lately!

Sorry, jimtaka. It's the ex-English major in me (switched to music, incidentally )
Quote by jimtaka

i'm pretty certain this isn't correct. i know breedlove doesn't use symmetrical bracing in all of their guitars anyway because the one i own doesn't have symmetrical bracing. also, breedlove pays great attention to bracing. it's kind of their signature thing that makes their guitars different. they use that bridge truss system to provide stability to the soundboard. that allows them to use not only thinner soundboards but also lighter, more scalloped than traditional bracing and experiment with different bracing patterns from many manufacturers without worry about structural intergrity.

Hmm, I figured I might've been incorrect. Well, then does anyone have the latest issue of Acoustic Guitar Magazine? I'm not about to buy one, but I know that this is featured (with photographs) in the current issue. Which brand does this has slipped my mind, however.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#37
I was at the magazine rack today, so I picked up the magazine to find out just what it was that I had forgotten.

My mistake, it wasn't Breedlove, it was Larrivée. I have no experience with Larrivée guitars, but they sound half-assed in their construction for reasons I've posted above.
Sincerely, Chad.
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