#1
hope this is in the right forum now, i've reposted it

i wanna compose a sorta 'medeivalish' sorta song

any scales/techniques you would reccomend

or even give me some riffs to base mine on or something

thank you
#2
sorry i can't help you, but i like your idea, i love creating different sounding music and will be watching this thread to see what advice other people offer.

the only thing i can think of that offers a sort of medeival sounding intro is metallica - fight fire with fire.
#3
harmonic minor is a good choice, there are others. For techniques, do what sounds good to you but, but you could try some pedal tones for lead work
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#7
check out Blind Guardian, a lot of their music sounds mideaval (i cant spell that for the life of me)
the bards song, specifically
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harmonic minor is a good choice, there are others. For techniques, do what sounds good to you but, but you could try some pedal tones for lead work

yep harmonic minors good, but i wanna know if theres something simular that will work better maybe? im not sure, im not as learned in my theory as id like to be
#10
bachs lute suites is a good place to start particularly bouree lute suite
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#12
Bach wrote the lute suites about 300 years after the medieval period ended so bach isnt characteristic of the time period your looking for. I would suggest when writing hamonies only use 4ths, 5ths and 8ves. The medieval monks who wrote the music for the church at the time only used these intervals as they saw them as the only 'pure intervals'. The use of 3rds and 6ths only came later.
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true but i wanna make a sorta barouqie/medeivaly/dark sounding song really
Baroque music and medieval music are two completely different genres of music, and neither of them are automatically associated with dark-sounding music.

However, if you're into baroque music, check out Bach's music like other people have suggested. Also, even if you're not a big fan of him, Yngwie has a good amount of counterpoint under his belt, which is one of many things that contributes to the baroque sound. Listen to sections of his songs that aren't quite up his normal 64th note pace and you'll probably hear what I'm talking about.

As far as medieval music in a modern context goes, take a listen to some Jethro Tull.
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Major scale.
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#17
Learn how to write four part harmonies using counterpoint, like would actually be used in medieval times.
#18
A lot of John Dowland's stuff is from ye olde days, check him out, learn some of his stuff, and you can probably steal some of his phrasings without too many people noticing.
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Baroque music and medieval music are two completely different genres of music, and neither of them are automatically associated with dark-sounding music.

However, if you're into baroque music, check out Bach's music like other people have suggested. Also, even if you're not a big fan of him, Yngwie has a good amount of counterpoint under his belt, which is one of many things that contributes to the baroque sound. Listen to sections of his songs that aren't quite up his normal 64th note pace and you'll probably hear what I'm talking about.

As far as medieval music in a modern context goes, take a listen to some Jethro Tull.

i know there both different
but im not sure how to describe the type of music i want
and why cant they be dark and eerie? i want them to be so why not?
#21
look up love song by tesla...they took a very very VERY old song and added some spanish guitaring the chorse was the part that was taken from the song
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#22
Phrygian-dominant: 1,2b,3,4,5,6b,7b sounds really cool and dark
melodic-minor


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waet0eJ9oPU

i was to lazy to figure out the scale but have a look.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlappFhOVf0
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Phrygian-dominant: 1,2b,3,4,5,6b,7b sounds really cool and dark
melodic-minor


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waet0eJ9oPU

i was to lazy to figure out the scale but have a look.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlappFhOVf0


Raise the seventh of the Phrygian dominant, to get the Double Harmonic Major. It sounds even more exotic, however you must be aware of the diminished third between 7, and b2 when using it.
#25
Why does everyone recommend the Harmonic minor for everything? It isn't the right scale to use, imo, unless you want to do middle-eastern type folk/whatever. I'd stick with regular major/minor scales. And just to throw it out there, the idea in my profile "The Bards Forest"s intro was used 5th chords. So don't let anything like that restrict you from playing 5th chords. Just utilize them properly.

It's all based on your creativity and phrasing to make the medieval sound.
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use a lot of perfect intervals in whatever scale you're using, that will give you the medieval sound you're after.
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Turn The Page by Blind Guardian. Take a look at that for some inspiration.
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^or the bards song
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Why does everyone recommend the Harmonic minor for everything? It isn't the right scale to use, imo, unless you want to do middle-eastern type folk/whatever. I'd stick with regular major/minor scales. And just to throw it out there, the idea in my profile "The Bards Forest"s intro was used 5th chords. So don't let anything like that restrict you from playing 5th chords. Just utilize them properly.

It's all based on your creativity and phrasing to make the medieval sound.


Amen. Harmonic Minor is like the answer to every question around here.

Phrasing and tone has more to do with making it sound medieval then the scales you use.
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#33
I got this little medley off of somewhere. i like it alot. very medieval. I like your idea. ive always wanted to make up some medieval sounding thing but never knew where to start.

C G/B Am D/Fis G C F G Gsus C
| | | | | | | || | | | |
e:0---3-------|------------|------1-0---|------------|
B:1-----1-3---|1---3---0---|1--0------3-|3-----1-1---|
G:------------|------2---0-|----2-------|0-------0---|
D:------------|------------|----3-------|--------2---|
A:3-------2---|0-----------|3-----------|--------3---|
E:----------3-|----2---3---|------------|----3-------|
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#35
Medieval music:
as regards harmony - simple textures (combinations of parts/"tunes on different strings") made of a melody which is imitated a 4th below or a 5th above. That combination of root and 5th is surprisingly, the same shape as a powerchord! However, you may wish to separate those parts by moving the upper one up and octave (or the lower one down).

In the middle ages, there wasn't a system of major and minor, but in modern terms, you may wish to try the scale of Gmajor with a Bb. This is similar to Gharmonic minor (as stated above), but with a major 6th - E instead of Eb. Rhythmically, melodies often went in triple metres (a modern equivalent would be 6/8, 9/8, or 12/8).

This description is kind of biased towards Medieval church music - of which we have more than the folk music. Ironically, instruments were not used in Sacred music, that was a blasphemous folk thing :-P

Oh, and I guess that a nylon strung/fingerpicked steel strung acoustic would sound fairly lute-ish and 'hey nonny nonny ho'. Unless you're wanting a plague-ridden, vulgate Latin, crusading metal type of thing, in which case scrap that last bit.

PS and yes, the Bachs were all much later. Medieval-wise, JS Bach is barking up the wrong tree - though a very fine (and much latterly definitive) tree nonwithstanding.
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+1 to the mention of Jethro Tull. Listen to the entirety of Thick as a Brick. It may be about 40 minutes long, but it will get your creative juices flowing like a flash flood.
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