#1
Does this bridge setup look okay to you?



I'm asking that because:

- i'm getting a "buzz" from the strings (not the amp) near my fretting hand every time i fret chords (the "buzz" does not appear when i play single notes). It sounds from the frets next to those i'm fretting.

- around November/December 2007 i changed my strings, because the B string broke. But it broke precisely on the bridge, where it bends. Also, did not broke completely, it just broke the inside of the string (the "spiraling" thing held the two parts of the string together).
Yesterday, it happened the exact same thing with the G string (no second thoughts intended ).

Is my bridge so messed up that it's breaking my strings?
Or is that normal?

Thank you for your help.
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#2
Aren't the saddles supposed to be straight in a line on not all over the place? (ie E, A and D strings)
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#3
Quote by WafflerVCK
Aren't the saddles supposed to be straight in a line on not all over the place? (ie E, A and D strings)


That's why i'm asking if it looks fine or not... I don't know much about bridge setups...
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#4
Quote by Linkerman
That's why i'm asking if it looks fine or not... I don't know much about bridge setups...



I think that is what is causing the buzz
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#5
The saddles should be lined up. What gauges do you use?

Btw nice sig. I love MCS
#6
Quote by WafflerVCK
I think that is what is causing the buzz


And what about the broken strings? Is that normal or is the bad bridge setup causing it?

Quote by imgooley
The saddles should be lined up. What gauges do you use?

Btw nice sig. I love MCS


About the sig: thank you very much! MCS is great indeed.
About the gauges: .009 - .011 - .016 - .024 - .032 - .042
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#7
Quote by Linkerman
And what about the broken strings? Is that normal or is the bad bridge setup causing it?

Breaking strings is normal. The fret buzz could be cause by either the bridge or neck bow, which would mean that you would have to adjust you truss rod.
#8
Quote by Linkerman
And what about the broken strings? Is that normal or is the bad bridge setup causing it?


About the sig: thank you very much! MCS is great indeed.
About the gauges: .009 - .011 - .016 - .024 - .032 - .042

You might want to look into heavier strings like a 10-13-17-26-36-46. I find higher gauges break less. Also do you use different tunings often? Most of my broken strings happen when i am tuning
#9
Quote by Linkerman
And what about the broken strings? Is that normal or is the bad bridge setup causing it?


About the sig: thank you very much! MCS is great indeed.
About the gauges: .009 - .011 - .016 - .024 - .032 - .042


I wouldn't know about the strings being broken, I don't have a guitar with a Floyd rose type bridge.
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#10
Quote by WafflerVCK
I wouldn't know about the strings being broken, I don't have a guitar with a Floyd rose type bridge.

That looks like an american standard bridge, not a FR. Different animal altogether
#11
Quote by imgooley
You might want to look into heavier strings like a 10-13-17-26-36-46. I find higher gauges break less. Also do you use different tunings often? Most of my broken strings happen when i am tuning


No, i just change from standard tuning to drop-D (DBGDAe), so i only tune/detune the E string.

I'll change to heavier strings as soon as i get the money to pay for a setup... That way the techs at Music Shop can set up my bridge accordingly to the new gauges.

Thank you for your help, imgooley, you are being extremely helpful!

Quote by imgooley
That looks like an american standard bridge, not a FR. Different animal altogether


My bridge is not FR. It's a standard Fender tremolo bridge.
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#12
Quote by imgooley
That looks like an american standard bridge, not a FR. Different animal altogether



Sorry, I don't know much about Strat Bridges and Floyd Rose Bridges :P
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#13
Quote by Linkerman
No, i just change from standard tuning to drop-D (DBGDAe), so i only tune/detune the E string.

I'll change to heavier strings as soon as i get the money to pay for a setup... That way the techs at Music Shop can set up my bridge accordingly to the new gauges.

Thank you for your help, imgooley, you are being extremely helpful!


My bridge is not FR. It's a standard Fender tremolo bridge.

Your welcome. After you get it set up, learn how to do the set up yourself. It's really easy and you can fine tune your guitar to exactly how you want it to sound. Good luck
#14
Quote by imgooley
Your welcome. After you get it set up, learn how to do the set up yourself. It's really easy and you can fine tune your guitar to exactly how you want it to sound. Good luck


How can i learn how to set up the bridge myself? Because it's a little expensive (around 50€ here in Portugal) to have the techs doing that...
My friend still has a messed up guitar neck (which affects his playing skills a little), with strings "far away" from the fretboard because he can't afford the setup in an instrument shop!

If i could do it myself, it'd be AWESOME!!!
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#15
Quote by Linkerman
How can i learn how to set up the bridge myself? Because it's a little expensive (around 50€ here in Portugal) to have the techs doing that...
My friend still has a messed up guitar neck (which affects his playing skills a little), with strings "far away" from the fretboard because he can't afford the setup in an instrument shop!

If i could do it myself, it'd be AWESOME!!!


If the strings are far from the fretboard, lower them. You can do it yourself for free. But you need to ask someone who has that type bridge, since it is different to lowering them on a Tune-O-Matic
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#16
In the picture you can see two small screws in each saddle that you use to adjust the string height, adjust these so the saddles are in a straight line.

Take the low E, the saddle is leaning towards the left of the image because the left screw hasn't been 'screwed' enough, you can adjust each screw to bring the saddle level. You should have got an allen key with your guitar to do this.

Badly explained but a piece of piss to do
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#17
Quote by WafflerVCK
If the strings are far from the fretboard, lower them. You can do it yourself for free. But you need to ask someone who has that type bridge, since it is different to lowering them on a Tune-O-Matic


No, my friend's problem is that he needs to get his neck rod adjusted.

My problem is on the bridge, but the string height is perfectly fine. The strings have a perfect distance to the fretboard, it feels like a hot knife through butter when playing.
The only problem is the annoying buzz when i'm playing with the amp turned off (when the amp is on, i can't hear the buzz... It's just too loud... ).
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#18
Quote by Bendybaws
In the picture you can see two small screws in each saddle that you use to adjust the string height, adjust these so the saddles are in a straight line.

Take the low E, the saddle is leaning towards the left of the image because the left screw hasn't been 'screwed' enough, you can adjust each screw to bring the saddle level. You should have got an allen key with your guitar to do this.

Badly explained but a piece of piss to do


I understood. So, looking from the same perspective as the picture, the height of the bridge pieces should be the same? I thought it had to do like an inverted "u", like the pickup poles.
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#19
Quote by Linkerman
How can i learn how to set up the bridge myself? Because it's a little expensive (around 50€ here in Portugal) to have the techs doing that...
My friend still has a messed up guitar neck (which affects his playing skills a little), with strings "far away" from the fretboard because he can't afford the setup in an instrument shop!

If i could do it myself, it'd be AWESOME!!!

The distance between the strings and the fretboard is called the action. High action means that the strings are far away from the fret board, low action means that the strings are closer to the board. If his neck is bowed ie bent, he needs to adjust his truss rod. To do this you need an allen wrench. If it is a strat, the truss rod nut(or bolt, i'm not sure which term is correct) is either near the headstock or where the neck meets the body. On a gibson style neck, the nut is near the headstock, underneath the cover.


as far as the bridge, you need a really small allen wrench. That is the easiest way to adjust action.

The other thing to set up is the intonation. On the bridge of your strat, the saddles are connected with screws that have springs around them. If your neck is straight and your saddles are set right, the harmonic at the 12th fret should be the same not as the note at the 12th fret. If it is not, either your neck is bowed, or the saddles are not set right. If your neck is straight, adjust the saddles using the the screws at the back of the bridge that holds them to the bridge.

Also, If you use higher gauge strings, your tremolo might lift a little. If that happens, which shouldn't since you use lighter strings, get another spring.
#20
Quote by Linkerman
I understood. So, looking from the same perspective as the picture, the height of the bridge pieces should be the same? I thought it had to do like an inverted "u", like the pickup poles.

Sort of, both screws in each bridge piece should be the same length. You can see the G string saddle is set up correctly, both screws coming out of the top of the saddle are about the same length so the it sits flush with the bridge.

Save you 50 euros and buy an allen key
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#22
Thank you! Thank you very much!

I already have an allen key, that came with my Strat! The neck is perfectly fine... Straight, smooth... Soon i'll change the strings (my brother just went to the store to get his new p-bass and i asked him to bring me .009-.042 Nickel Wound Ernie Balls), and when i do that, i'll adjust the bridge.
Because i should adjust the bridge with the strings removed, right?
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#23
Quote by Linkerman
Thank you! Thank you very much!

I already have an allen key, that came with my Strat! The neck is perfectly fine... Straight, smooth... Soon i'll change the strings (my brother just went to the store to get his new p-bass and i asked him to bring me .009-.042 Nickel Wound Ernie Balls), and when i do that, i'll adjust the bridge.
Because i should adjust the bridge with the strings removed, right?

I have done it both ways. I think that it's easier to do it with strings on on a strat, because the saddles stay in place better
#24
Quote by imgooley
I have done it both ways. I think that it's easier to do it with strings on on a strat, because the saddles stay in place better


Now that you mention it...

I think i'll just detune the guitar a bit (to avoid forcing the strings with too much pressure) and try that. I'll do it around monday next week, and then i'll tell you how it went and if i need further help.

Thank you very much, everyone!
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Last edited by Linkerman at Mar 19, 2008,
#25
Quote by Bendybaws
In the picture you can see two small screws in each saddle that you use to adjust the string height, adjust these so the saddles are in a straight line.

Take the low E, the saddle is leaning towards the left of the image because the left screw hasn't been 'screwed' enough, you can adjust each screw to bring the saddle level. You should have got an allen key with your guitar to do this.

Badly explained but a piece of piss to do

yep. get an allen key (hex wrench) and screw the approiate bolts on the saddles especially your E to level the saddles. the strings are trying to climb up and down the crooked saddles when they viberate. the saddles themselves could be shaking too because they're so unballenced.
#27
Quote by Linkerman
Is this information correct?

http://projectguitar.com/tut/action.htm

Should i use this info?

yup
#28
Quote by imgooley
yup


Thank you once again, imgooley!
You're the best! Sorry for bothering you...
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#29
'sall good. anymore questions, just ask