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Especially bands like dir en grey in their earlier years.
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#2
Can you post a link to a clip (e.g. on Youtube) which demonstrates this?

"Japanese jangle slight overdriven" sounds like a quite interesting tone.
#3
dont know what youre talkin about

but a slightly overdriven tone comes from a good all valve amp being played loud, so the signal 'breaks up', and overdrive happens
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#4
from what I've heard of Dir En Grey, sounds like they are using single coils into overdriven fender amps.
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#6
I emailed them and they said

"It's stereo amp, and I don't think it's tube. However, for a stereo amp, it is very good. Don't plug guitar into it; just use it as hi-fi if it works."

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#7
a slightly overdriven tone comes from a good all valve amp being played loud, so the signal 'breaks up', and overdrive happens
#8
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I emailed them and they said

"It's stereo amp, and I don't think it's tube. However, for a stereo amp, it is very good. Don't plug guitar into it; just use it as hi-fi if it works."

Thank me later


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a slightly overdriven tone comes from a good all valve amp being played loud, so the signal 'breaks up', and overdrive happens


thats just what i was going to say
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#10
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I emailed them and they said

"It's stereo amp, and I don't think it's tube. However, for a stereo amp, it is very good. Don't plug guitar into it; just use it as hi-fi if it works."

Thank me later


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#11
Yeah to throw in an input

a slightly overdriven tone comes from a good all valve amp being played loud, so the signal 'breaks up', and overdrive happens
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#12
they probably get that by cranking a tube amp, so the power tubes are saturated and they start to clip. the signal breaks up and overdrive happens.
#13
In all seriousness.

a slightly overdriven tone comes from a good all valve amp being played loud, so the signal 'breaks up', and overdrive happens

So you should look into a good overdrive pedal (Bad Monkey) to make your signal break up at lower volumes
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#14
Oh god not again. Seriously - these robots are just repeating each other - ignore them....
The way it really works is that a slightly overdriven tone comes from a good all valve amp being played loud, so the signal 'breaks up', and overdrive happens.
Hope that helps mate
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Oh god...

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Oh god not again. Seriously - these robots are just repeating each other - ignore them....
The way it really works is that a slightly overdriven tone comes from a good all valve amp being played loud, so the signal 'breaks up', and overdrive happens.
Hope that helps mate

Wait...

You're not a robot?
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In all seriousness.

a slightly overdriven tone comes from a good all valve amp being played loud, so the signal 'breaks up', and overdrive happens

So you should look into a good overdrive pedal (Bad Monkey) to make your signal break up at lower volumes



Everything you said was completely 100% true...except for that last part. A good overdrive pedal is not the bad monkey. Its a passable overdrive pedal. Its good for its price i guess, but thats all. A good overdrive pedal would be like the ts-808 or the OCD.

But yeah, I guess that was kinda a useless comment, but still, it had to be said.
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#19
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Everything you said was completely 100% true...except for that last part. A good overdrive pedal is not the bad monkey. Its a passable overdrive pedal. Its good for its price i guess, but thats all. A good overdrive pedal would be like the ts-808 or the OCD.

But yeah, I guess that was kinda a useless comment, but still, it had to be said.

Ive heard people who've owned both a TS9 and Bad Monkey say that the Bad Monkey is better for them. I also dont think people really want to spend 100 more dollars on something thats very similar, tone and quality wise.
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#20
ts9 and the ts-808 are pretty different in terms of quality. As is the bad monkey and the ts-808, although more so. Again, Im not saying its a bad pedal, but it is in no way a 'good' overdrive pedal when you compare it to all the other overdrives out there. Its good for the price, but you cant say that it and the OCD are on the same level of quality.
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ts9 and the ts-808 are pretty different in terms of quality. As is the bad monkey and the ts-808, although more so. Again, Im not saying its a bad pedal, but it is in no way a 'good' overdrive pedal when you compare it to all the other overdrives out there. Its good for the price, but you cant say that it and the OCD are on the same level of quality.

Dont mean to argue, but the Bad Monkey is virtually the same as the TS9, just without the mid hump and with an added low control.
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#22
I can't get better OD tones out of my BM.
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#23
my bad monkey is soooooo fricken bad that i have to SPANK it ALL the time!!!


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#24
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Ive heard people who've owned both a TS9 and Bad Monkey say that the Bad Monkey is better for them. I also dont think people really want to spend 100 more dollars on something thats very similar, tone and quality wise.

Hearing about people who like something more than something else hardly counts as an opinion. I'm sorry, but that's just my opinion...on opinions.

TS, I vote for Strats an Teles plugged into Twin Reverbs and AC30s. Yum.

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Dont mean to argue, but the Bad Monkey is virtually the same as the TS9, just without the mid hump and with an added low control.

It has the mid hump. Well, my ears tell me that. And it's only the same in principle; it's another TS9-based OD. That dosn't mean it will last half as long or sound as good as on many settings.

I hate to keep fighting you on Bad Monkey issues, man, but as an owner of a BM and a player of a TS9, it's just not the same. There are good reasons to pay the extra $50 (not $100) for the TS9.
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#25
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Isn't that kind of a racist remark?
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Hearing about people who like something more than something else hardly counts as an opinion. I'm sorry, but that's just my opinion...on opinions.

TS, I vote for Strats an Teles plugged into Twin Reverbs and AC30s. Yum.


It has the mid hump. Well, my ears tell me that. And it's only the same in principle; it's another TS9-based OD. That dosn't mean it will last half as long or sound as good as on many settings.

I hate to keep fighting you on Bad Monkey issues, man, but as an owner of a BM and a player of a TS9, it's just not the same. There are good reasons to pay the extra $50 (not $100) for the TS9.


THANK YOU.

I dont mean to argue either, but the bad monkey seems to do no wrong on this forum and i feel it really isnt warranted. Its decent but not nearly as spectacular as its made out to be. The TS-9 isnt even the best, but like spinesurf says, its 50$ more for a reason.
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THANK YOU.

I dont mean to argue either, but the bad monkey seems to do no wrong on this forum and i feel it really isnt warranted. Its decent but not nearly as spectacular as its made out to be. The TS-9 isnt even the best, but like spinesurf says, its 50$ more for a reason.


It's $50 dollars more for the same reason that the Marshall MG costs twice as much as other amps of similar (lack of) quality. The TS-9 is the Paris Hilton of overdrives; it's famous because it's famous.
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i would guess a marshall or vox stack and a strat bridge pickup. i've seen too many used by lame (some cool) japanese bands.
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#32
the tone isnt the normal cranked tube amp sound, rather id say its one of those lo-fi sounds which would come from single coils through some sort of filter then to the amp...(going off the above link's tone)
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#33
the ts-9 is famous because it sounds good, unlike the MG. The MG is riding on the marshall fame, but TS-9 is the ibanez fame. Its like saying the plexi is famous because its famous. Its famous for a reason. And for the record, I never even brought the ts-9 into the mix. I specifically said ts-808...not the ts-9, which is different.
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the ts-9 is famous because it sounds good, unlike the MG. The MG is riding on the marshall fame, but TS-9 is the ibanez fame. Its like saying the plexi is famous because its famous. Its famous for a reason. And for the record, I never even brought the ts-9 into the mix. I specifically said ts-808...not the ts-9, which is different.


You said TS-9.
It's a fine pedal, but it's not the end all-be all of overdrives. People have ascribed it some sort of mythical status against which no other overdrive can compare. It consists of a few electronics shoved into a cheap plastic case. People are going to improve on the design, and they have.
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#35
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Everything you said was completely 100% true...except for that last part. A good overdrive pedal is not the bad monkey. Its a passable overdrive pedal. Its good for its price i guess, but thats all. A good overdrive pedal would be like the ts-808 or the OCD.

But yeah, I guess that was kinda a useless comment, but still, it had to be said.



Hmmm doesnt look like i said TS-9. It looks like i said ts-808. And I never said the ts-9 was a fantastic OD. In fact, I only said it was better than the BM, which is true.

And I still stand by what I said about the Bm not being a 'good' overdrive by definition. The OCD is a good OD, the BM, in the same sense that the OCD is, is not.

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Quote by HeartInACage
ts9 and the ts-808 are pretty different in terms of quality. As is the bad monkey and the ts-808, although more so. Again, Im not saying its a bad pedal, but it is in no way a 'good' overdrive pedal when you compare it to all the other overdrives out there. Its good for the price, but you cant say that it and the OCD are on the same level of quality.



In fact, I specifically went out of my way to say that the TS-9, which another poster mistakenly referred to, and the ts-808, which i was referring to, are very different. So yeah...
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#36
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Iono, wouldn't you categorize stereotypes under a form of racism? It's somewhat discriminatory, innit?

Anywho, to be more on topic, the tone you're talking about sounds like single coils pushing into one of those old Marshalls or somethin.
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#37
The post I responded to...

I dont mean to argue either, but the bad monkey seems to do no wrong on this forum and i feel it really isnt warranted. Its decent but not nearly as spectacular as its made out to be. The TS-9 isnt even the best, but like spinesurf says, its 50$ more for a reason.


My math is terrible, but I'm pretty sure that "9" is different from "808".
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The post I responded to...


My math is terrible, but I'm pretty sure that "9" is different from "808".

TBH I don't see what your problem is, did someone call your baby ugly?

TS-9 is not the "top of the line" Tube Screamer, but it's still in many cases better than the Bad Monkey.

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... and I still haven't seen any examples of unique Japanese overdrive. Can no one post any?
#40
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My math is terrible, but I'm pretty sure that "9" is different from "808".


Actually, if you look at 808, it's pretty clearly 8 times 8 (the circle being the multiplication mark (well we use a dot in Finland, close enough)) which is 64. Then again, 8+0+8 is 16, and 16+64 is 90, while 9+0 is 9. So there you have it - 808 is indeed 9.


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