#1
I am looking for a little feed back on two different subjects here.

#1 - I know a lot of the younger members, maybe even some of the older ones enjoy "Guitar Hero" and the similar products.
I personally have never had anything to do with any of the "Guitar Hero" type of games other than my 15 yo son's friends have brought thiers over on occasion and I have seen them playing them.
He wants the program, however I have said no, as I have spent quite a bit of money on buying him the real McCoy...(actual guitar, amp, accessories...etc...), and he does practice but not as much as I think he should, (We both play guitar), I feel if he had the game here, he would spend less time practicing and more time "faking" it with the game. So, am I being an asshole by saying no, or am I on the right track. For those of you who have the game does it do anything for your playing ability; I see where it might help on timing; but I think even that would be stretching it.

#2 - The following article concerns Gibson suing "Guitar Hero" and just about anybody having anything to do with the game or similar products.
Have they gone overboard? From what I know of the game, which is very little, the patent Gibson is refering to does not seem to be remotely similar to "Guitar Hero" other than a game based product.
Do you think this could hurt thier image; specifically to the many younger users of "Gutiar Hero" etc... Who might possibly purchase Gibson in the future?
Just curious and frankly bored...let me know what you think.

03/21/2008 18:32:09 EST
Gibson Guitar Tangles With Game Makers
By ROSE FRENCH
Associated Press Writer

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Gibson Guitar Corp. has widened its attack on the video game industry with a second patent infringement lawsuit.
It claims, in a case filed Thursday in federal district court in Nashville, that by developing, distributing and promoting the video game "Rock Band," Harmonix, MTV Networks and Electronic Arts are violating a virtual-reality patent the guitar maker holds.

The same 1999 patent is at issue in a separate lawsuit Gibson filed earlier in the week against Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and five other retailers. The real-guitar maker claims the stores are violating the patent by selling the Activision Inc. game "Guitar Hero."

Before Gibson filed either lawsuit, Activision sued Gibson in Los Angeles this month asking for a federal court declaration that it is not violating Gibson's patent.

The game publisher says it doesn't want or need a license under the patent as Gibson claims.

"We disagree with the applicability of their patent and would like a legal determination on this," George Rose, Activision's general counsel, said in explaining Activision's lawsuit.

Gibson officials haven't said why the company is not suing Activision directly.

Representatives for Harmonix, MTV Networks and Electronic Arts - the companies Gibson sued Thursday over "Rock Band" - did not immediately return phone calls seeking comment.

Harmonix also created and developed some of the "Guitar Hero" games.

Gibson said in a statement released Friday that it had made "good faith efforts to enter into a patent license agreement with the defendants in this case.

"The defendants have not responded in a timely manner with an intent to enter into negotiations for a patent license agreement," according to the statement. "Gibson Guitar had no alternative but to bring the suit, and it will continue to protect its intellectual property rights against any and all infringing persons."

Gibson wants the companies to pay damages for infringing on its patent and to stop selling "Guitar Hero" and "Rock Band," according to the lawsuit.

A copy of the patent included in Gibson's lawsuit is dated Nov. 23, 1999, and describes a device that lets a user "simulate participation in a concert by playing a musical instrument and wearing a head-mounted 3-D display that includes stereo speakers."

"Guitar Hero" users perform songs using a stringless, plastic guitar that plugs into a game console. A TV connected to the gaming console displays animated musicians playing along and graphics that guide users' play.

"Rock Band," which hasn't garnered the sales and popularity captured by "Guitar Hero," lets players hook up to peripherals modeled after a guitar, drums and a microphone and form a virtual band.

Founded in 1894 in Kalamazoo, Mich., and headquartered in Nashville since 1984, Gibson Guitar Corp. has brands including Dobro, Maestro, Kramer, Steinberger, Tobias, Echoplex and Wurlitzer.
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#3
There's not even Gibson guitars in Rock Band! Why the hell are they suing them?!
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#4
1. its not up to me.

2. yes i think it'll hurt gibson's image
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one question what is the patent for?
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#6
What the ****? So they're suing a game that they sponsor... is that what I just read?
What is the patent they're talking about
#8
Well I know that Gibson had to consent for them to use the SG design and the other gibsons in guitar hero so I have a feeling they just want more money and are thinking that this is a suit they can win.
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What the ****? So they're suing a game that they sponsor... is that what I just read?
What is the patent they're talking about

I think the patent is for that virtual reality thing that came out in 99.
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#10
1. He should learn guitar first.

2. I wudnt give a ****. Gibsons are Gibsons suit or no suit
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#11
1. Make him save up for it, but give him opportunities to make money
Also, if he doesn't love guitar its not for him, if he loves music, look into drums?

2. gibson is full of dicks... IN ITS ASS
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shut the hell up much? this thread has different info to the other one.


Anyway, I don't really know what you should with your son and all, I'm his age myself and I get pissed off when people don't practice their guitars and it must be even more annoying as a father to see your son not practice all that much. I think that the game does help with your fingering and stuff though, helps to make your fingers move quicker and in different patterns, but not all that much, and I know people with disagree with me on that.
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#13
1) It's up to him really, if he likes guitar he'll put time into it and if he prefers to play a game then so be it. Making him practice guitar probably wouldn't get him to enjoy it though.

2) Lol that's Gibson whether they win or lose it probably doesn't matter. The way they are going Gibson is gonna be gone in a couple of years. Overpricing their guitars, lowering quality control and changing designs for the worse isn't gonna help them sell more guitars.
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#14
Ok. I was to lazy to read the article but i get the genral gist of it. As much as its two-faced and hypocritical i think Guitar Hero deserves it. Purely on the basis of how many people its turned into complete and utter tools.

Ok so the thing with your son. Im 15 myself. I played Guitar Hero and loved it. I bought Guitar Hero II the day it came out. Then all of a sudden i just couldnt be bothered with it anymore. Ive yet to touch "Encore" and "III" and I intend to keep it that way. So maybe you should let him have it and grow out of it? Coz i mean i watch these people getting 100% on expert and all this crap and then i shred them and original solo and they just feel stupid. So i guess it depends on how good his playing (on real guitar) is, If hes just begining it can be good to keep him interested in guitar music and introduce him to some new artists. And try not to make guitar playing a chore. Guitar Hero does make it fun. And if hes serious about guitar he'll grow out of it.
#15
Hate Gibson guitars anyway; way too expensive for chunks of wood.
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#16
you can't force someone to play guitar.

If playing guitar became a chore that my dad wanted me to do, I wouldn't want to do it anymore.

These games like Guitar Hero and Rock Band are just games, I have them both and they actually inspire to go pick up the real guitar and play.

The games are fun and harmless, and after I play a few rounds of Rock Band I go outside and start jamming in my garage...
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No dude I don't....did not realize it was necessary before posting something; I'm so ****ing embarassed that I'm the first person to ever do that...

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Can we get a link to the original article?
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just let your kid have it, the more he'll play it the quicker he'll get over it then rape him
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#20
This pertains to the first half: Honestly, having the game makes me wanna play the real thing because I get pissed off at how crappy the game is in comparison to how much one can enjoy the real guitar. It's fun and all and I turn it on when it's too late to crank the amp up, but I would never put down the real thing for it.

I say let him get the game out of his system. I wouldn't buy it for him, if that's what you were planning on doing, but I wouldn't prohibit him from buying it either.

Like the other guys have said, if all it takes is a game to get him off of it, then that should tell you something.
#21
Gibson is a joke. First off, their guitars cost WAY more than they're worth, and secondly, it seems like they're suing EVERYONE lately. What's next? Are they gonna sue fucking Sesame Street?
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#22
From what I read into it, they are suing over the fact that it allows you to be in "similated concert", not over gutar design. That is what I find ludicrous, How many GTA type games are out there; or war simulations? It is too broad of a concept; If GH and the others were based on "3-d" type headset, then maybe they would have grounds.
Personally I agree with a lot of the responses here; Gibson has become such a ****ing *****. (lol...prostitute then)
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1) It's up to him really, if he likes guitar he'll put time into it and if he prefers to play a game then so be it. Making him practice guitar probably wouldn't get him to enjoy it though.

2) Lol that's Gibson whether they win or lose it probably doesn't matter. The way they are going Gibson is gonna be gone in a couple of years. Overpricing their guitars, lowering quality control and changing designs for the worse isn't gonna help them sell more guitars.


I would never make him practice; I have just been concerned it would eat into the time he now chooses to practice. He is learning a lot and considering he does not take lessons I feel he is progressing at a decent rate, just could be faster.

Has anyone who has used the game found any practical benefits to actually playing?
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#24
who's read that article where that rapper or something didn't get the prizes he won from Gibson? he mentioned something about some guy from gibson saying why a rapper would use guitars or something.

3 of my friends all play guitar, and ever since they got guitar hero on 360, all they talk about is guitar hero
#25
does Gibson own the right to electric guitars or something?

I don't fully understand xD

about the rapper: that's ****ing dumb. Why can't a rapper play guitar now o.O?
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#26
Okay here's a response for the dad:

When I started playing my pop had also bein playing for quite a long time; in fact i bought my first guitar off of him. Now anyways I didn't always practice a lot, in fact sometimes I wouldn't even touch my guitar for months. Nowadays, something has changed inside of me and for the past year i havent been able to go 15 minutes without picking up my guitar. Im now far better than my dad ever was.

my point is that u can't rly force ur kid to play, you gotta let it take its course. If he plays, he plays. if not... it wasnt meant to be.
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Damn dude, if that's your old mans idea of bonding it's no wonder you're so ****ed up
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#28
That's an asshole move on Gibson's part. And to answer you questions thread starter.

1. Sure get him Guitar Hero. I got Guitar Hero 2 for my birthday last April and I played through easy and medium easily. Then I got up to hard and could never get past the first tier. So figured if I'm going to spend this much time trying to pass these songs, I might as well do it on a real guitar. So I got a guitar and I haven't played Guitar Hero since. I have however picked up Rock Band and its only fueled my interest in real guitar. I've since made it my goal to learn Green Grass And High Tides, a song I probably would have never discovered had I not played that game. So I'll give you some pros and cons if you get him the game.

Pros:
-Discover new music that he will want to learn on real guitar (if he's motivated. if not, then he probably doesn't want to play guitar.)

-increased pinky dexterity.(Probably the biggest perk. When I picked up a guitar I didn't have to think twice about using my pinky.)

Cons:
-He could possibly play the game more than he does practice playing guitar (but you're the parent you can control how long he plays)

-5 frets and 1 string (which is basically what guitar hero is) is a lot different than 20+ frets and 6 strings.


As for your second question, yes I they are going overboard.
#29
who hasnt been sued my gibson, seriously, but i remember there being a gibson rep being at the gh3 booth supporting the controller and the game??!?!?!?!? wtf

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From what I read into it, they are suing over the fact that it allows you to be in "similated concert", not over gutar design. That is what I find ludicrous, How many GTA type games are out there; or war simulations? It is too broad of a concept; If GH and the others were based on "3-d" type headset, then maybe they would have grounds.
Personally I agree with a lot of the responses here; Gibson has become such a ****ing *****. (lol...prostitute then)

well i hope they dont sue me for performing at a concert and not using a gibson.....
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