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#1
Reading through threads today just really kinda...inspired me.
I've never realized it, but there is a LOT of spoiled kids on here. Yes, i am specifically refering to the kid with the MG halfstack, but i've seen tons others before him. I dont understand how these people can just feel the need to step all over people. There is a part of me, of course, the guitarist part that just wants me to agree with these kids when they have a 'bad' piece of equipment. However, you cannot step all over people's feelings like that. Of course they cannot relate to you, they aren't musicians. It's hard for us to see this, because we can see the difference in gear is so huge, but take for instance one of my friends. He always gives me sh!t for looking at guitars and stuff all the time. But at the same time he does the same with airsoft. I dont see how he can spend so much money on an airsoft gun, and nor can he understand why i want to spend so much money on guitar stuff. These...people need to understand what they are doing. You get a gift...and when you get a gift, you say thank you, regardless of how much you disapprove, or dislike the gift. There are kids who get less than half of what you do...and guess what...THEY DON'T COMPLAIN, instead, they are even MORE thankful than you. (You know who you are) I am *kinda* one of these kids. My family isn't poor at all. However, I'm not spoiled. I guess you might say, well of course it is easy for me to sit behind my computer screen and bitch at you, when he is just as unthankful as I. (probably in an attempt to feel better) But seriously, love isnt measured in money. You parents aren't retarded if you're being ungrateful and they cant understand where you're coming from. I realize that i am now starting to run in circles, but basically, quit being ungrateful little punks. Curb your ways while you still can.
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#2
It doesn't even matter because those type of people will never be able to work hard and buy something themselves. That is the only way to really appreciate something.
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Quote by kool98769
there is a LOT of spoiled kids on here.


As a great man once said: No. Fcking. Sh9t. Sherlock.

I agree 100% with you, and also with -

Quote by stevenexp
It doesn't even matter because those type of people will never be able to work hard and buy something themselves. That is the only way to really appreciate something.


Kids will be kids. Its the parents fault IMO. All we can do as the wisened ones is ignore. Worst thing for us is to let it under your skin which I've seen plenty of times on here with guys getting into (effectively) jealous righteous rages.
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#5
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As a great man once said: No. Fcking. Sh9t. Sherlock.

I agree 100% with you, and also with -


Kids will be kids. Its the parents fault IMO.


Agreed. I pay for all my gear unless it's a gift. But even with a gift, it gets split half way.
#6
i know that MG kid. he's a nice enough guy. but before xmas he was all like 'OMG i cant wait, im getting a Marshall halfstack!' and i told him not to ask for one of THOSE stacks. and he goes 'yeah it might not be as good as it gets but whats cooler than a Marshall stack?'
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#7
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As a great man once said: No. Fcking. Sh9t. Sherlock.

I agree 100% with you, and also with -


Kids will be kids. Its the parents fault IMO. All we can do as the wisened ones is ignore. Worst thing for us is to let it under your skin which I've seen plenty of times on here with guys getting into (effectively) jealous righteous rages.

for real dude.
Like my parents bought me like 3 things.
an acoustic guitar a couple years ago for christmas to start me off (i was 14 and had no money lol)
and then last year bday a wah pedal, and then this christmas a chorus pedal. I KNOW im glad for all of it. Even though i absolutely detest my wah, i still am extremely grateful, because its not my parents fault i dont like it. Same with MG man. He thinks that his parents suck because HE didnt do his research.
Frankly, i couldn't ask for more...
and sorry bleeddeathmetal...but it slightly annoys me that you go around talking about your gear....
but your parents bought you a framus cobra. I know that some of it is jealousy (c'mon, who ISNT?) but, dude, get a job, and work for your money before you even start talking. You also become much more reluctant to buy and sell when you earned the money to buy something, because you dont want to waste your money on a POS. I feel like i made a good decision with my amp...probably because i dont like just dropping 600 bucks on something without doing my research.
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#8
I have never understood why people act like jerks when they have better equipment. I swear half the time they just have the stuff to say that they do, they probably only know how to play smoke on the water. Their big thing is to put the song through a Marshall stack with an array of pedals on including distortion and wah. Don't worry about them, eventually the fad will move on and their stuff will be available at a local pawnshop for great prices .
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#9
TS, I agree with you on some points, but not all. I admit I am extremely spoiled, my dad was the youngest of two sons (as am I), so I can get virtually anything I want, but I don't abuse it. I think it sort of comes down to that some families are just more fortunate than others, and some of the less fortunate ones frown up on that when it comes to situations like these. Some, not all.

That said, I paid the $450 for my old used Jackson WRMG all on my own. However, I only paid $500 of the $800 total for my LTD Alexi-600. Then my amp setup was a little over $1,400 with tax and the warranty, and I didn't pay a dime for that. Call me spoiled, but I don't care because it was almost my only Christmas gift, and I'm okay with that. This was all over a period from about October last year to a just a few weeks ago to give you an idea.

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Kids will be kids. Its the parents fault IMO. All we can do as the wisened ones is ignore. Worst thing for us is to let it under your skin which I've seen plenty of times on here with guys getting into (effectively) jealous righteous rages.

I don't think its fair to blame the parents. Like I said, some families have that kind of dough to throw around, and others don't. It shouldn't be anyone's right to say that what parents do for their kids is wrong.

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It doesn't even matter because those type of people will never be able to work hard and buy something themselves. That is the only way to really appreciate something.

If you are referring to the kid in the MG thread.. c'mon, he's a kid. Not all kids can get jobs, some not even mowing lawns or anything. For some kids, holidays and their birthdays are the only sources of income they have. I don't think its fair to say they are gonna be reliant on other people their entire lives because of this.

Flame away lol.

Edit: I forgot.. I got a Epi LP Studio and Crate 212 for my birthday in that July that I turned around and sold to get my Jackson leaving me ampless until November. My mom was confused, but she was okay with it.
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#10
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TS, I agree with you on some points, but not all. I admit I am extremely spoiled, my dad was the youngest of two sons (as am I), so I can get virtually anything I want, but I don't abuse it. I think it sort of comes down to that some families are just more fortunate than others, and some of the less fortunate ones frown up on that when it comes to situations like these. Some, not all.

That said, I paid the $450 for my old used Jackson WRMG all on my own. However, I only paid $500 of the $800 total for my LTD Alexi-600. Then my amp setup was a little over $1,400 with tax and the warranty, and I didn't pay a dime for that. Call me spoiled, but I don't care because it was almost my only Christmas gift, and I'm okay with that. This was all over a period from about October last year to a just a few weeks ago to give you an idea.


I don't think its fair to blame the parents. Like I said, some families have that kind of dough to throw around, and others don't. It shouldn't be anyone's right to say that what parents do for their kids is wrong.


If you are referring to the kid in the MG thread.. c'mon, he's a kid. Not all kids can get jobs, some not even mowing lawns or anything. For some kids, holidays and their birthdays are the only sources of income they have. I don't think its fair to say they are gonna be reliant on other people their entire lives because of this.

Flame away lol.

Thats what im talking about. But the rest of your post proved your intentions.

I have no problem with 'spoiled' kids. I realize that some are more fortunate than others, and they shouldn't be held back on the basis that they are rich. But what annoys me is when these kids with all the gear but no skill, and no sense of work ethic or anything go around acting like they freakin own the world because their parents bought them something.
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#11
My Dad bought me a Telecaster for my birthday 5 months ago, and I haven't been able to bring myself to ask him for anything until this week when I asked him to reserve a vinyl LP for me (knowing he'd pay for it, but suggesting it with intentions of paying). I'm eternally grateful for the stuff he buys me, because I bought my first guitar after working my ass off for two years to pay for it, and I know how much work goes into affording one guitar.
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My Dad bought me a Telecaster for my birthday 5 months ago, and I haven't been able to bring myself to ask him for anything until this week when I asked him to reserve a vinyl LP for me (knowing he'd pay for it, but suggesting it with intentions of paying). I'm eternally grateful for the stuff he buys me, because I bought my first guitar after working my ass off for two years to pay for it, and I know how much work goes into affording one guitar.

that's the important part.
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My Dad bought me a Telecaster for my birthday 5 months ago, and I haven't been able to bring myself to ask him for anything until this week when I asked him to reserve a vinyl LP for me (knowing he'd pay for it, but suggesting it with intentions of paying). I'm eternally grateful for the stuff he buys me, because I bought my first guitar after working my ass off for two years to pay for it, and I know how much work goes into affording one guitar.

yeah. i bought my first guitar for £350, when i was 15, out of my own money. that was my life savings. it was an epiphone G-400... little did i realise then that was a stupid price for it... then again it is a MIK. my parents do sometimes lend me money for gear, then i have to work my ass off to pay the money back, otherwise i feel guilty. the rest of the time, i pay for it with my own money.
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#14
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I don't think its fair to blame the parents. Like I said, some families have that kind of dough to throw around, and others don't. It shouldn't be anyone's right to say that what parents do for their kids is wrong.


To clarify what I meant: The parents are to blame if the kid is spoilt. I know plenty of people from rich families who weren't spoilt growing up, appreciated and understood the value of the gifts.

TBH I think until you get a job you won't know the value of money. Bust your ass in a minimum wage job (the type of job most people start off with) to afford a new piece of kit and you'll start to appreciate any previous gifts..
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#15
sometimes i feel as though i am like this idont just get stuff bought, i get given money for birthdays and xmas and helping my grandma with jbs she cant do each weekend, but still when i go buy something like my wah pedal or my amp it feels as though they are buying it for me. so i dont know. this year i plan on gettin quite a bit of stuff but im gonna sell almost all my current gear (except 1 guitar and my 2 fx pedals) to buy it all
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#17
I couldn't agree more
Usually these ranting threads annoy me, but i can definately relate to this one
Its like, be happy with what you've got :/ I think i've got a very nice guitar, but it took me nearly a year to save up for it - i think more parents should make their children work for expensive things - even if its just an agreement to pay half and half, thats better than outrighting spoiling them...
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#18
I agree 100%.

As a professional musician, I started doing gigs when I was 14, with a rented Carvin amp, then bought a Fender "Evil Twin" (and let me tell you, it is EVIL!) for 185 dollars used at Guitar Center. It shocked me at one gig and I almost died. Lucky for me though, by then, I had earned about 1000 bucks, so I bought a Peavey JSX and an Avatar 212. I used this gear along with a Jackson Kelly playing in indie and comedy rock bands (hey, you gotta use what you have) until I could afford nicer gear. I've worked for all of my gear but even when I was given horrible gear (the Jackson) I used it to the best of my ability and didn't complain. I worked my butt off for four years through high school gigging, recording, and working summer jobs so I could be where I am now, with too many guitars and money to spend. Yet someone the other day saw my gear and called me "spoiled." I guess I have a right to spoil myself...
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#19
i never get anything more than a hundred dollars for christmas, and occasionally ill ask for something and get something different but i never complain, ill try to make use for it and forget that i ever wanted something else...
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#20
I miss the TS' point.

What are you ranting at exactly?
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#21
My dad bought me a 5150 head but thats about it. I work for my stuff..down under.

If i was like "dad can you buy me a framus cobra" he would say these words exactly (not even knowing the price) "GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS AND GO GET A JOB YOU LAZY F**K! THIS IS BULL**** MY SON IS A FAILURE" or something like that.
#22
I've always been of the opinion that that what certain people think has no influence on my being. If someone is an ungrateful rat, then I'm perfectly capable of ignoring anything they have to say, regardless of how important they think it is. Basically what I'm saying is that if you don't take certain people seriously, then your actions won't be governed by their actions.
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#23
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I miss the TS' point.

What are you ranting at exactly?


I can only guess, but I would say one of two things provoked this (after a build up of seeing similar things elsewhere). Either some kid's parents bought him an MG halfstack and he came to UG saying something along the lines of:

"Why would my parents buy me this POS? I'm gonna tell them to take it back to GuitarCenter and get me something proper."

Or else, some kid had an MG halfstack and someone on UG, with 'better' gear pissed all over it.

I would like to see the thread that was referred to in the opening post. But I do agree - I don't like the 'spoiled' kids who look down on people who work really hard to afford the gear that they don't consider to be good. I remember back when I had my Squier '51, Epiphone Valve Jr. and Boss DS-2 as my only gear, talking to some guy with a JCM800 and Fender Bassman and he really did his best to make me feel like what I had was worth nothing.

That was gear that took me the best part of a year to afford, and even then I had to borrow some money to get it.
#24
$1,400 with tax and the warranty, and I didn't pay a dime for that. Call me spoiled, but I don't care because it was almost my only Christmas gift, and I'm okay with that.


rroooooffffffllllll. wow.

I dont' think my parents spent $1400 on me and both my sisters combined. It's not that they couldn't afford it, but they wanted us to learn the value of a dollar and to appreciate everything we had (and not become spoiled little ****s like some of our friends.)

I'm happy to say that at 23 it's a lesson I learned quite well.

I would like to see the thread that was referred to in the opening post.


If I read correctly, he's referring to a kid who got the MG half-stack for christmas that he asked for, and then realized it sucked and wanted to sell it and got all pissed when his mom said no because he needed to learn to appreciate what he has.

I think what bothers the OP is that the kid was given a $600 gift, something alot of people would never be able to afford and then complained about it instead of ebing grateful his parents got it for him.
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#25
Alright, I get where you're coming from but I don't really see the point of this.

Some people are better off than you. So what? Does that affect you in any way?

Some people are worse off than you. So what? Does that affect you in any way?

Just be happy with what you have, stop whining about what other people do with their (or their parents' money for the matter ) and just live life bro.


EDIT: Oh and shouldn't this be in the pit? That's where all the other whiny stuff is anyways.

Just joking around.
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#26
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If I read correctly, he's referring to a kid who got the MG half-stack for christmas that he asked for, and then realized it sucked and wanted to sell it and got all pissed when his mom said no because he needed to learn to appreciate what he has.

I think what bothers the OP is that the kid was given a $600 gift, something alot of people would never be able to afford and then complained about it instead of ebing grateful his parents got it for him.


Ah, alright. That makes sense.

Thanks for that
#28
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hell, i'm grateful when my parents allow me to buy something with my own money .



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#29
I am hella spoilt, i know it.

All my pedals were pretty much gifts ive collected over the years (Well I paid a bit towards a few of them.) and my jag (I payed about 1/4 towards that.) was a Bday present and my Laney, I bought myself.

I'm very thankfull for it, it kills me when my parents call me ungratefull, im really not ungratefull, i love my parents for supporting this awfull disease. Like when I asked to put my MG up for sale, my parents flipped. It's hard to explain to them why I wanted to sell it without straigh up telling them I didnt like it to save hurting them, the amount of lies that poured out of my mouth that week was ungodly.

I really wish I couldve bought all this stuff myself tbh. Saves alot of heartache. With school and coursework and socialising and finding time for my music stuff i havent got much time for a job.. I know its just an excuse, but im deffinately getting a job over the summer.
#30
Kool You have destroyed me

My pop is paying for half of my botique quickrod amp (and throwing in the cab). I still have to make 1k, but he has also given me 2 of his vintage gutiars, and bought me 2 others along with a microcube and one of those expensive Boss whammy style PS-5 pedals. In short, My dad has spent 1k total on me over the past 3 years... I feel spoiled . Half the reason though, is that I'm to young to get a job.

The forums need more people like you to bring assholes like me to reason. Especially assholes like me who do not actually own the stuff they critique.
#31
Well, my dad literally GAVE me his Rickenbacker bass. for that i am eternally grateful, even though i'm not really a bassist. Maybe it was my destiny to play bass though?
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#32
Man, I am quite ashamed that the money I get to buy stuff is from my parents or family. As a result, to pay for the ESP I'm getting, I am going to work for minimum wage all summer to pay for it!!

I wouldn't say im spoilt (as in my attitude), I have a decent pc, a guitar a nice amp, a bunch of books for revision and a nice mobile. I would literally hate myself, a lot, if I lost or damaged any of these things because they were bought by my parents and not myself per sé (no job as am in school).

Conclusion?

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#33
my parents and i have a deal. if i keep at school and keep my A average, i won't have to get a job and work for things i want. but that's not to say i get things all the time, i'll get a big gift about once a year and if it's very expensive i split it halfway with my dad with money i've been saving up. all the little things like, pedals i buy myself, but the things i would have to work 2 years to buy my dad helps me out on, as long as i keep my grades up of course.
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#34
Ya I hate people who say stuff about other peoples gear and about how it sucks when they got there gear from there parents and still wanted more. I got a Boss bluesdriver for christmas and that was it. All my other gear I have worked for and bought and did my research before I bought it. But I am very grateful for my parents paying half of my first guitar so I could start playing guitar. And now my parents think I am ungrateful becouse I am selling my V that I myself worked for and bought. And I tell them the truth that a V is uncomfortable and I will buy another guitar with the money but they still think I am being ungrateful. Maby I should show them the MG thread then they think I am not being ungrateful and that I actualy apreceaite what I have. One more thing I also belive that If you worked for it and bought it with your own money you deserve it no matter what your SKILL LEVEL IS.
#35
Nice post TS

And I don't resent people that are lucky enough to have lots of money spent on them. I just resent kids that aren't grateful for what they are given.

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#36
I hate asking people to buy things for me....

especially now that I live with my grandpa. Sometimes I feel like I'm ruining his life, because he was supposed to be done with all this **** and retired. But no, my mom just had to leave us, and then the court had to send me to live with him.....but I digress.

it makes me feel like a bum when I have things handed to me, so I try to buy all my gear myself.

I remember on my last birthday my grandpa bought me a damn boat. It wasn't a new one, it's a '72 Ranger, I think it was 1200. I loved it, because bass fishing is a passion of mine, but I felt really bad about him spending all that money on me. I didn't ask for a boat, he just knew that I would love one and bought it for me. I'm forever grateful for it, and I don't think I'll ever be able to repay him for the things he's done for me.

I'm gonna get a job this summer and try to lighten the financial load that's been put on him. He's a proud person and wouldn't accept a handout, so I'll have to do inconspicuous things (buy groceries, put gas in the truck, etc.)

What I'm trying to say is that people should take a look at the world from their parents' viewpoints every once and awhile. Chances are they work hard for what they give away to you. Not only the things you notice (new gear, car, etc.) but things we all take for granted every day (clothes, food, shelter, etc.) When my mom left us, I realized how important the small things were when we ran out of them.
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#37
its the generation of today.

I, personally, never thought i'd be one of those guys that would later on be damning the age of youth after him. but here iam.

Never have i seen a generation of so much self-entitlement, poor work ethic, arrogance, self centered-ness, and plain old sh**ty attitude.

its not their fault tho.. the way society has raised them (TV, school, etc..), it has more or less paved the way for this behaviour. be it when they SHOULD have failed a grade in school, made "the team" when they clearly couldn't cut it, or were mercy passed on their last math test. these years we seem to put more focus on preserving the "feelings" of these inept kids that clearly shouldn't be let into college or the work force when they weren't even able to keep Quadratics in their head for at least a few months.

a generation or so before us (our mothers and fathers) if you failed, you failed. that was it. youhad to do it again until you got it right. Kinda like the work force.. if you're consistently screwing things up.. you lost your job.

but anyway, thats the problem. most of these kids didn't have to work for anything, and probably won't have to. they were handed everything in the start, and will expect to be handed more later on. its not their fault, its our own for being so generous, and not allowing them to taste even the smallest bit of humility and caution.
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#38
taht wuz quite a moutfull. i bet yur used to taht sort of thing

no, im kidding, but if anyone gets my reference, props.

dont worry, its a ****in MG. and yes, i hate spoiled kids, i personally want to have some fun with them and a crowbar for a couple hours
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#40
^ I feel the same. It's almost impossible to give me a gift that costs more than £1.
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