#1
These are the chords that I'm picking - please note the alternate tuning:

C# F# B Eb Ab C#

C#-----------------------------------------
Ab-------2-------2-------2---2/5-2-0
Eb-----0--0-------0---0---0-----------------
B-----------------------------------------------
F#---2------2-0-------------------------------
C#-------------------2------------------------------


I originally assumed it was G#maj but when I play that scale over this riff it doesn't seem to fit.
#3
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do you know the difference between B and Ab?


I do - Whats that suppose to mean?
#4
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do you know the difference between B and Ab?

What?
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#5
yeah - lol i was thinking the same thing
give me a sec to transopose to the alternate tuning
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#6
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These are the chords that I'm picking - please note the alternate tuning:

C# F# B Eb Ab C#

C#-----------------------------------------
Ab-------2-------2-------2---2/5-2-0
Eb-----0--0-------0---0---0-----------------
B-----------------------------------------------
F#---2------2-0-------------------------------
C#-------------------2------------------------------


I originally assumed it was G#maj but when I play that scale over this riff it doesn't seem to fit.


Stay consistent with sharps and flats, don't mix them together like that. At first glance: here are the notes of the riff:

G#, Eb, Bb, Eb, G#, F#, Bb, Eb, D#, Eb, Bb, Eb, B, Db, Bb, Ab

Make G# into Ab, F# into Gb, D# into Eb.

You have Bb, Eb, Ab, Db and Gb; thus, you're in Db major or Bb minor depending on the tonal center, and based on your riff I'd say Bb minor.
#7
oh sorry, momentary brain-fart. my previous question is irrelevant. one thing you could do is write the notes out on a staff and then see which scale will fit over top of it.
#8
Quote by teknotard
yeah - lol i was thinking the same thing
give me a sec to transopose to the alternate tuning



Thanks dude
#9
Quote by :-D
Stay consistent with sharps and flats, don't mix them together like that. At first glance: here are the notes of the riff:

G#, Eb, Bb, Eb, G#, F#, Bb, Eb, D#, Eb, Bb, Eb, B, Db, Bb, Ab

Make G# into Ab, F# into Gb, D# into Eb.

You have Bb, Eb, Ab, Db and Gb; thus, you're in Db major or Bb minor depending on the tonal center, and based on your riff I'd say Bb minor.



Thanks for that - Would you please explain how you worked out it was in either Dbmaj or Bb minor please as I normally look at the root, or first note of the riff to determine the scale and think this may be a very wrong way of doing it. Also - How did you deduce it was in minor tonality?
#10
if i did it right That chord is a G#sus2 maj 7 so it could be a couble of differenct keys
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#11
actually its just a G#sus 2 and then 5 is a passing tone.

So this could work in G# better named Ab
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Thanks for that - Would you please explain how you worked out it was in either Dbmaj or Bb minor please as I normally look at the root, or first note of the riff to determine the scale and think this may be a very wrong way of doing it. Also - How did you deduce it was in minor tonality?


All I did was figure out what notes were in the riff; after converting them all to flats instead of using both flats and sharps, I saw there were five flats. Db major and Bb minor contain 5 flats each, and a lot of your riff is based on the back and forth between Eb and Bb, which pulls my ear toward Bb minor.
#13
but that "f#" call it a Gb that makes the most sense.

and then that means the key is Db or Gb would work the best

EDIT: I should mention that it would be the major key of Db or Gb and you could do modes and variations off of that
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Last edited by teknotard at Mar 24, 2008,
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All I did was figure out what notes were in the riff; after converting them all to flats instead of using both flats and sharps, I saw there were five flats. Db major and Bb minor contain 5 flats each, and a lot of your riff is based on the back and forth between Eb and Bb, which pulls my ear toward Bb minor.



Thank you - just one more thing - How did you work out that the Bb is minor and not major - because since its a note on its own - could it not be either?
#15
because Bb major would have a D natural playing and since you have a Db then it is Bb minor. although it might not nesecarilly lead to the minor because you are playing a suspended chord which means it is without a tonality it could lead anywhere.
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#16
Quote by teknotard
because Bb major would have a D natural playing and since you have a Db then it is Bb minor. although it might not nesecarilly lead to the minor because you are playing a suspended chord which means it is without a tonality it could lead anywhere.



Thanks everybody. I understand now. Didn't realise it woud be so difficult to determine the key your in. I would have thought there was only really one answer. I think I'll go with the Bb minor scale as it sound nice over this riff anyway.

Thanks again
#17
Quote by teknotard
because Bb major would have a D natural playing and since you have a Db then it is Bb minor. although it might not nesecarilly lead to the minor because you are playing a suspended chord which means it is without a tonality it could lead anywhere.


Bb major only has two flats, Bb and Eb, so there would be a D natural, G natural and A natural as compared to Bb minor. It was more about the tonal center of the riff.
#18
Bb major only has two flats, Bb and Eb, so there would be a D natural, G natural and A natural as compared to Bb minor.

Yeah, i was just answering more simply about why it would be Bb -
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