#1
Please?
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#2
A cadence is just a countdown to starting usually the drummer hitting his sticks saying 1 2 3 ready go.

As for a phrase i don't really have a good way to define it.
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#3
Quote by MasterDeathJ117
A cadence is just a countdown to starting usually the drummer hitting his sticks saying 1 2 3 ready go.

As for a phrase i don't really have a good way to define it.


That's not a cadence. A cadence is a series of intervals and/or chords that lead to an ending of a section or piece of music; depending on the type of cadence used, you'll know whether the composer intends to continue or finish the piece.

A phrase (I would say) is a self-contained musical idea with a clear beginning and end continued for a short to medium amount of time. It's probably a vague definition though.

EDIT: KryptNet, I'll assume you were indicating the post above me?
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^^whoa, don't listen to that.

A phrase is kinda of a musical "thought" or passage that ends in cadence. It is best heard not described but is usually 4 measures in length.

Cadence is a like a comma in a sentence - a short pause that concludes a phrase to add emphasis just like a comma or even a period. There are several types of traditional cadences that each have a certain "feel" to them.

That's a really rough explanation so ask if you need clarification.

EDIT: damnit :-D you posted like a second before me. That's okay...now you deserve the "^^whoa, don't listen to that" comment. bahaha

EDIT: damnit :-D you edited your post like a second before me.
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#5
alright

but what about half, perfect cadences and etc???


I was at the doctors when we went over this in class so...


well my teacher gave me a piece of sheet music and I'm supposed identify the phrases and cadences and then based on the chords used identify what type of cadence it is

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Quote by TDKshorty
alright

but what about half, perfect cadences and etc???


I was at the doctors when we went over this in class so...


well my teacher gave me a piece of sheet music and I'm supposed identify the phrases and cadences and then based on the chords used identify what type of cadence it is

?


A half cadence ends on the V chord, it's considered the weakest cadence because it gives a suspended sound. A deceptive cadence goes from V to any chord other than I (I in major, i in minor). A plagal cadence goes from IV to I.

The simplest explanation of a perfect authentic cadence: the chords are in root position and the tonic is the highest note and you go from either V->I in a major key or V->i in a minor key. An imperfect authentic cadence (IAC) has multiple varieties, for example a root position IAC has a note other than the tonic as the high note. If one or more of the chords in a perfect authentic cadence is inverted, it becomes an inverted IAC. Finally, a leading tone IAC replaces the V with a vii (diminished, I can't make the symbol) but still resolves to I.
#7
don't forget the phrygian cadence iv6-V and the half cadence which is ?-V
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Quote by Led man32
don't forget the phrygian cadence iv6-V and the half cadence which is ?-V


The Phrygian half cadence is used in minor keys, just to specify that; thanks for adding it. The half cadence I mentioned above.
#9
To simplify:
I-V = half cadence
V-I = ending with tonic in melody = PAC
V-I = anything other then tonic = IAC
IV-I = plagal cadence
V-(chord other then I or V) = deceptive cadence

I don't think it's gonna get any more complex then that. I doubt the plagal or deceptive will even come up.
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Quote by KryptNet
To simplify:
I-V = half cadence
V-I = ending with tonic in melody = PAC
V-I = anything other then tonic = IAC
IV-I = plagal cadence
V-(chord other then I or V) = deceptive cadence

I don't think it's gonna get any more complex then that. I doubt the plagal or deceptive will even come up.


they did

isnt the deceptive where you think it ends on V but its like ii? or something like that
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Quote by TDKshorty
they did

isnt the deceptive where you think it ends on V but its like ii? or something like that


It can be, it just goes from V to anything other than I.
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Quote by TDKshorty
they did

isnt the deceptive where you think it ends on V but its like ii? or something like that
ooph, sorry. But at least your teacher is teaching it right then. I find that classical composers prefer the V-IV deceptive cadence.
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Quote by KryptNet
ooph, sorry. But at least your teacher is teaching it right then. I find that classical composers prefer the V-IV deceptive cadence.


That's probably the most common one I've personally seen.
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So I'm in the key of Gm and I have a I VII vi III
I think

what would that be?
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#16
what the hell? I mean VII vi would be a deceptive cadence but then a III? did you do the roman numeral analysis or did the teacher? cause that is not a cadence.

If you did the analysis, could you have missed a pivot chord?
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#17
Quote by KryptNet
what the hell? I mean VII vi would be a deceptive cadence but then a III? did you do the roman numeral analysis or did the teacher? cause that is not a cadence.

If you did the analysis, could you have missed a pivot chord?



pivot chord?

i dnno, I did the analysis, but I have a D in that class, it's hard to me

but I stopped caring about school and my GPA dropped from a 3.7 to a 1.1
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sorry to hear it man. your heading toward academic probation huh?

Either you did the analysis wrong or you missed a small modulation into another tonality which is often done at cadences around a "pivot chord" which is a chord shared by both the main key and "borrowed" key. It's a kinda like borrowed tonalities<- but if you haven't learned those things yet, I wouldn't worry about it.

Maybe the teacher was a dick and wanted you to say that there was no cadence?

I suggest you start caring about school man.

EDIT: and theory is REALLY hard to me too. so don't feel too bad.
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#19
well there are for chords, they're all 7ths

the notes are

Chord
1 Bb B G D
2 A C F# C
3 G D G B
4 D D F# A#


then I have 13 more to do
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#20
Quote by TDKshorty
well there are for chords, they're all 7ths

the notes are

Chord
1 Bb B G D
2 A C F# C
3 G D G B
4 D D F# A#


then I have 13 more to do
didn't you say this was in gmin? first off, they're not 7th chords. They're just triads.

but it "looks" like i - vii - i - V (half cadence in Gmin)except for that A# which doesn't fit in place. Are you sure about that?
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#21
Quote by KryptNet
didn't you say this was in gmin? first off, they're not 7th chords. They're just triads.

but it "looks" like i - vii - i - V (half cadence in Gmin)except for that A# which doesn't fit in place. Are you sure about that?


well it has 2 flats, so I thought it would be B major but there was a Gm under it so i dnno
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#22
Bb major man...which is the relative major of Gmin. It accounts for the raised 7th F#. But not for a raised 2nd(A#)
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#23
Quote by TDKshorty
So I'm in the key of Gm and I have a I VII vi III
I think

what would that be?


I think it is a plagal cadence if you call it BbMaj instead of Gminor
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#24
Cadence is about the ending of the music. For example, if you are in the key of G Major, the chords are:

G Major (I) , A Minor (ii) , B Minor (iii) , C Major (IV) , D Major (V) , E Minor (vi) , F# Diminished (vii° , and back to G Major (I).

There are four (?) types of cadences: Authentic, Half, Plagal, and Deceptive.

Let's start with Authentic Cadence:
Your Chord Progression would be G --> C --> D --> G. Note that you start from G Major and you have gone back to G major. It sounds complete and solid. That is a Perfect Authentic Cadence. I'm not really good at Imperfect Authentic Cadence, it involves inverted chords, and some other crap.

Now we have Half Cadence:
It always ends at V chord. For example, you got a progression G --> C --> Am --> D. You see, you end at the V chord, or the fifth chord, or the dominant chord.
This type of cadence sounds incomplete and weak.

Plagal Cadence:
IV --> V. For example, G --> C ---> G. You probably hear this a lot in churches.

Let's discuss Deceptive Cadence - my favourite
The ending starts from the V chord, and it would lead to any chord except the I chord. And thus, it is deceptive. Why? Human ears expect to hear the G chord (I) after the D chord (V). And composers do exactly the opposite, they would stick another chord except G or (I), and the ending sounds very unexpected and, in some degree, weird.
Example: G --> Am --> D --> Am
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#25
Quote by Infatuation
Cadence is about the ending of the music. For example, if you are in the key of G Major, the chords are:

G Major (I) , A Minor (ii) , B Minor (iii) , C Major (IV) , D Major (V) , E Minor (vi) , F# Diminished (vii° , and back to G Major (I).

There are four (?) types of cadences: Authentic, Half, Plagal, and Deceptive.

Let's start with Authentic Cadence:
Your Chord Progression would be G --> C --> D --> G. Note that you start from G Major and you have gone back to G major. It sounds complete and solid. That is a Perfect Authentic Cadence. I'm not really good at Imperfect Authentic Cadence, it involves inverted chords, and some other crap.

Now we have Half Cadence:
It always ends at V chord. For example, you got a progression G --> C --> Am --> D. You see, you end at the V chord, or the fifth chord, or the dominant chord.
This type of cadence sounds incomplete and weak.

Plagal Cadence:
IV --> V. For example, G --> C ---> G. You probably hear this a lot in churches.

Let's discuss Deceptive Cadence - my favourite
The ending starts from the V chord, and it would lead to any chord except the I chord. And thus, it is deceptive. Why? Human ears expect to hear the G chord (I) after the D chord (V). And composers do exactly the opposite, they would stick another chord except G or (I), and the ending sounds very unexpected and, in some degree, weird.
Example: G --> Am --> D --> Am
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