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#1
Hi Folks!

I had a great Ibanez acoustic (dreadnought I think) years ago but lost it in hock when I was a college student...what an idiot. I'd really like to get another one because I love the sound they produce as well as the look of them (and the positive reviews). The only issue I had was that it wasn't very "soft" to play -- if that's the correct term; aside from the issue of steel strings being more painful to play than the nylon ones I was accustomed to from my classical guitar, it seemed the Ibanez wasn't as easy to finger-pick. It wasn't really super hard but was just not as easy to do as I'd like. I'm wondering if it would have been easier if the strings had been set lower/closer to the neck? Is this what they mean when they refer to action, or does good action entail more?

My main two questions are:

1. Can an Ibanez be altered to have better or "softer" action?

2. Regarding the grand concert style guitars which are known for being better for picking, is that just because of their size that the action is considered better (or put another way, is it actually easier to pick due to a reason beyond being easier to "get at" because of the smaller size)?

Thank you!
#2
First off, steel strings are bound to be painful to play switching from nylon, but that'll pass with time. Action is just the distance from the neck to the strings, and I'm not sure if that has any effect on finger-picking. I'm no expert on acoustic guitars, so I'll let someone else field that one.
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#3
You aren't going to get much positivity in this thread. Ibanez acoustic aren't too popular, considering there are much better guitars out there.

As far as action- As long as a guitar is set up properly, you shouldn't be having these troubles. I'm thinking that you just need to build up some calases. Don't know if I spelled that right. You just need to develop more strength and harder fingertips by playing on the good ol' steel strings.

As far as grand concert being better for picking... I've never heard that really. But if it is a conception people have, I would imagine it has to do with the sound you get from the size of the guitar, not really anything to do with the action.
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#4
Ibanez . . . ugh. Where to begin?

First of all, you're going to be raped for your wallet. There are dozens of other acoustics that will give you far more for your money. I'm tired. It's early. I'm not going to go into what's wrong with Ibanez right now; there's enough to fill a book.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#5
Quote by Chad48309
Ibanez . . . ugh. Where to begin?

First of all, you're going to be raped for your wallet. There are dozens of other acoustics that will give you far more for your money. I'm tired. It's early. I'm not going to go into what's wrong with Ibanez right now; there's enough to fill a book.


Chad, when you have the time and aren't tired, please let me know what's wrong with Ibanez! I know people on forums tend to get pretty excited about using the same brand as each other and/or only the very best of the best, so with a bit of "evidence' I could be assured that this isn't the case here!

(e.g. on the amateur astronomers forum I hang out on, if your EP isn't a TeleVue or a Pentax, it's not considered nice. However while they're passionate about what they like, they never act with such disgust which is why I'm dying to hear what's so wrong with this company! You would think Ibanez guitars came from Walmart!)
#6
first of all use a price range but for 350 i got a pf15ece dreadnought cutaway glossy black i got one for christmas you build callouses kwick and has great ction. it is the most comfortable guitar i ever played personnally i liked more than any high end martin. it plgs in to ams great has great strings, great tuners and, if you put it through a distortion guitar with the cutaway it could pass as a decent electric guitar. for only 350, you cant go wrong with this guitar

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Ibanez-PF-Series-PF15ECE-Dreadnought-Cutaway-Acoustic-Electric-Cutaway-Guitar-512477-i1147778.gc

#7
Alright, first of all, I've never played an Ibanez acoustic that I liked. Not even a high-end one. The wood they use sounds like it's of a tremendously low grade. They sound tinny and dead to me. Second, they feel like a twig in my hands. It feels as if I'm going to snap the guitar in half just by holding it. Thirdly, they never come setup properly. I used to sell them and dread the day shipments came in. I would literally have to spend at least an hour on each one trying to fix everything that Ibanez screwed up. Action was always either buzzing or so high the Hulk couldn't play it, the pins would always be practically impacted into the bridge, electronics would be rattling around inside, etc.

I can't stand Ibanez acoustics. They put almost no pride in their acoustic line (can't say anything about their electrics; I've never played one).
Sincerely, Chad.
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#8
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Alright, first of all, I've never played an Ibanez acoustic that I liked. Not even a high-end one. The wood they use sounds like it's of a tremendously low grade. They sound tinny and dead to me. Second, they feel like a twig in my hands. It feels as if I'm going to snap the guitar in half just by holding it. Thirdly, they never come setup properly. I used to sell them and dread the day shipments came in. I would literally have to spend at least an hour on each one trying to fix everything that Ibanez screwed up. Action was always either buzzing or so high the Hulk couldn't play it, the pins would always be practically impacted into the bridge, electronics would be rattling around inside, etc.

I can't stand Ibanez acoustics. They put almost no pride in their acoustic line (can't say anything about their electrics; I've never played one).


you obviously just hate ibanez some ppl like i love them i think they are great if you liike the feeling
#9
Quote by amason51
you obviously just hate ibanez some ppl like i love them i think they are great if you liike the feeling

No, I don't just hate Ibanez. I dislike poorly made acoustics. I've watched and spent countless hours sweating over their poor quality control, so don't assume for a second that I don't know what I'm talking about.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#10
Quote by Chad48309
I've watched and spent countless hours sweating over their poor quality control, so don't assume for a second that I don't know what I'm talking about.


get a life and don't worry about what other people spend their money on . it's only YOUR opinion MY opinion is that i like the sound of ibanez . **** off your ****in annoying
#11
Quote by amason51
get a life and don't worry about what other people spend their money on . it's only YOUR opinion MY opinion is that i like the sound of ibanez . **** off your ****in annoying

Nice one. Happens to be that my life revolves around working in the music industry and trying help customers make an informed decision. It's a little something called professional pride; maybe you should try some.

You're right, it is my opinion, and I'll damn well voice it if I want to. Glad you like the sound of your Ibanez; I'm not about to rush into your home and snatch it out of your hands.

Grow up.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#12
Check out ebay. Back in the 70s and 80s Ibanez made some Gibson ripoffs that were pretty nice. (the Concord I think was one). These days I'd shy away from their acoustics. I have an Ibanez Sage dreadnought and it's okay for goofing around in your living room, but not much else.
#13
Eegads what have I started??! This was my first post on this forum and I just hope the majority of the members here are a little less arrogant, condescending, and toxic, and a little more tolerant, positive and welcoming.

Yuck!
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Quote by amason51
get a life and don't worry about what other people spend their money on . it's only YOUR opinion MY opinion is that i like the sound of ibanez . **** off your ****in annoying


The TS asked for his opinion! He gave it, there's nothing wrong with it. I'm not on the acoustic guitar forum often, but I've read through its threads often enough to know that he knows what he's talking about. She asked him for an opinion, he provided it; there wasn't any "Ibanez hate", just his experience with a certain brand.

In short, you're an idiot.
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#15
Quote by Chad48309
Ibanez . . . ugh. Where to begin?

First of all, you're going to be raped for your wallet. There are dozens of other acoustics that will give you far more for your money. I'm tired. It's early. I'm not going to go into what's wrong with Ibanez right now; there's enough to fill a book.


i have a really nice cheap one
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#16
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Eegads what have I started??! This was my first post on this forum and I just hope the majority of the members here are a little less arrogant, condescending, and toxic, and a little more tolerant, positive and welcoming.

Yuck!

Just because I don't care for a guitar doesn't mean I don't welcome anyone who does. I'm not about to impose my opinions on someone else with a bad attitude; that sort of thing is just bullying. You asked for my opinion, so I gave it. I hope you didn't get the wrong impression.

The Ibanez Concord of the 1970s is an amazing guitar. I've only played one once, and it was out of my price range, but it is a phenomenal guitar. If you have the opportunity to buy one, get it immediately.

You have to realize that all brand have their "golden years" and that this has most certainly passed for just about all of them. Ibanez, Gibson, Martin, Epiphone; all of these brands have lost the flair that they had 30 or 40 years ago. It's a shame, but that's the way the crumbs crumble.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#17
As much as I love my Ibanez acoustic I have to admit Chad is right. When I first played mine it had a lot of buzz which I have since fixed and the electronics were a little loose. Having said that I will not give mine away as I do love the feel of it and also love the sound it produces. To each their own I say :-)
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Quote by amason51
get a life and don't worry about what other people spend their money on . it's only YOUR opinion MY opinion is that i like the sound of ibanez . **** off your ****in annoying

haha wtf?

Relax. Don't take it personally that someone has a differing opinion from you.
#19
Chad is right in this case. I too have never encountered an Ibanez acoustic that I have liked. And while not all of them are absolutely terrible, when you find a "decent" Ibanez they simply do not compare with what other brands offer for the same price. Getting an Ibanez acoustic just doesn't make sense.
#20
id never buy an ibanez.

I play tanglewood exclusively, though takamine make some nice guitars for the money.
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#21
Quote by :-D
The TS asked for his opinion! He gave it, there's nothing wrong with it. I'm not on the acoustic guitar forum often, but I've read through its threads often enough to know that he knows what he's talking about. She asked him for an opinion, he provided it; there wasn't any "Ibanez hate", just his experience with a certain brand.

In short, you're an idiot.



Agreed!

How much do you want to spend? There is a good sticky at the top of the page for guitars under $300.
#22
Chad, thanks for explaining...

I'd like to spend around $300.00 for something used. I'll look at the older threads -- I hope to find a thread on buying guitars under something more like $500.00, since my goal is to buy used. If anyone knows of such a thread (that isn't obvious, otherwise I'll find it myself), please let me know. Thanks!
#23
Go to a Guitar Center or a local place and play the acoustic guitars. Ignore the brand, the brand is just a name. The guitar is what you want. It can be some no name brand that no one has ever heard in a local guitar shop, but it may sound beautifully. I got an Alba Classical from a guy for $50...I played some other higher named Classicals at other shops and my $50 kept up with the $300 ones and various others. Point is, brand matters little. It is about the guitar and not brand.

Before you choose a guitar, make sure you try multiple guitars first. Try as many as possible.
#24
Quote by Nacho Cheese!
Go to a Guitar Center or a local place and play the acoustic guitars. Ignore the brand, the brand is just a name. The guitar is what you want. It can be some no name brand that no one has ever heard in a local guitar shop, but it may sound beautifully. I got an Alba Classical from a guy for $50...I played some other higher named Classicals at other shops and my $50 kept up with the $300 ones and various others. Point is, brand matters little. It is about the guitar and not brand.

Before you choose a guitar, make sure you try multiple guitars first. Try as many as possible.


Yes...I just mean to give me an idea of what to ask about. I've been to the local shops (well, only two lately) and agree one MUST hold it and at least give it a couple of strums (at LEAST) before buying. It's funny cause the night before last night I dreamed the UPS truck delivered "my guitar" and I remember thinking (in my dream) "but how could I have ordered one online...that's impossible to know!" And then sure enough it wasn't good. I also like to buy from a reputable brand when/if possible because should I need to sell later, it's much easier. You can always say "go here to to this website and see these reviews." It's worked well for me to follow these guidelines regarding other hobbies I have. That said, I agree that in the end, it's a very personal thing and *shouldn't* matter what brand it is if it's a solid, well-built guitar with good action, good sound (subjective as that is), a nice finish, etc. I wish that I could stumble across a beauty of a guitar at a garage sale (don't we all). Something from the '70's would be so great.
#25
They've given you some pretty good advice about Ibanez. I can't really disagree with any of it. If you're looking to spend under $500, I would look into Yamaha, Alvarez, and Seagull personally. They all make fantastic guitars. If you are looking for a used guitar, both Yamaha and Alvarez have strong markets for used instruments. Just make sure whatever you get at least has a solid top. You should be able to do a google search on the model # of whatever you find to make sure.

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#26
Quote by amason51
get a life and don't worry about what other people spend their money on . it's only YOUR opinion MY opinion is that i like the sound of ibanez . **** off your ****in annoying

warning for you. take it easy. your opinion AND his opinion are welcomed here... but we aren't going to tolerate you or anyone else verbally attacking people.

threadstarter... i am not a big fan of ibanez guitars. i have played a lot of them, and i just don't care for them. i have certainly played some ibanez guitars that sounded good and played well, but these seem to be few and far between. ibanez tends to use cheap materials and poor construction to build their acoustic guitars. tone is a very subjective issue so i won't really get into that, but next time you are looking at an ibanez in a shop... pay very close attention.

notice the finish on the guitar. i often see runs and overspray in the finish on ibanez acoustic guitars. look around the neck joint and binding specifically.

look inside the guitar. i often see tons of excess glue around the bracings inside ibanez acoustic guitars. also check out the kerfling. it's not unusual to see loose, split, or even missing areas in the kerfling.

notice the fretboard. play each fret in succession all the way up the fretboard on every string. i often notice dead frets and fret buzz straight from the factory. also check for the same note on more than one fret in succession. pay special attention around the 11th-15th frets.

notice the tuners. i often see tuning pegs that aren't installed symmetrically on ibanez acoustics.

i don't know what ibanez is doing in their acoustic-electric guitars, but i've never encountered another guitar brand that has so many problems. do a forum search. in my own personal experience, and in my experience here on UG, ibanez acoustic-electrics are known for having problems. it's not uncommon at all for their preamps and/or pickups to not work at all straight from the factory.

now i'm not saying that other guitar manufacturers don't encounter and even produce guitars with these same problems. what i'm saying is that ibanez is the only company with a decent overall reputation and not crazy cheap prices that consistently allows these guitars to leave the factory and be sold. aside from using cheap materials to begin with, ibanez seems to have very little quality control.

you see, ibanez fills this niche in the guitar industry. many acoustic players start out playing electric. kids and adults alike play electric first and learn that ibanez makes some very good, very affordable electric guitars. now these folks have a preconception about the ibanez brand as a whole: good guitars, low prices... great values. ibanez takes full advantage of this. they understand that electric guitarists will buy an ibanez acoustic because it says ibanez on the headstock.

the other niche that ibanez fills is fancy looking guitars for cheap prices. many people don't have a clue what to look for when they go to buy an acoustic guitar. ibanez knows this. they corner this market. they use terrible materials and construction to build cheap guitars that they can then slap a fancy looking overlay on top of. and thus really cool looking guitars for cheap. they understand that inexperienced people will buy a guitar because it looks cooler than the other acoustics in the same price range.

this is of course all my opinion, but my opinions have been formed through years and years of experience playing every acoustic guitar i can get my hands on
#28
Go to your local guitar shop and ask someone to play a few guitars in your price range. Turn your back and just listen to the different sounds. Often, an acoustic will sound differently to the listener than to the player -- this will give you a good starting point as to which ones have good sounds to your ears. Then you can check out the ones you liked regarding looks and feel.

I hope you find a beauty!
#29
Quote by milagroso
Go to your local guitar shop and ask someone to play a few guitars in your price range. Turn your back and just listen to the different sounds. Often, an acoustic will sound differently to the listener than to the player -- this will give you a good starting point as to which ones have good sounds to your ears. Then you can check out the ones you liked regarding looks and feel.

I hope you find a beauty!


Hey I'd never heard of doing that...great idea, thanks. That's one of the reasons I liked my old Ibanez (boo hiss) so much: cause the sound (in my arms anyway) was fantastic. Next time I go in I'll try that...
#31
Dude, look... Don't listen to the one's who claim not to have "encountered" or don't even own and Ibanez, they like what they play and will down play anything but what they have.
And the same goes for those who do own an Ibanez, they like what the have and will pimp it.

I own an Ibanez. It does have a few flaws, but I would give it a 4 1/2 out of 5 rating. I change my strings to a heavier guage and I didn't like it.

I'm not telling you to go and but one, but the bottom line is, you need to get to a store and play a few in your price range then man up and make you own decision based of what you feel and like

And don't ever ask any of these tools on this site for an opinion about a certain product.... "See the begining of my comment"

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#32
Quote by majorpain1023
Dude, look... Don't listen to the one's who claim not to have "encountered" or don't even own and Ibanez, they like what they play and will down play anything but what they have.
And the same goes for those who do own an Ibanez, they like what the have and will pimp it.

I own an Ibanez. It does have a few flaws, but I would give it a 4 1/2 out of 5 rating. I change my strings to a heavier guage and I didn't like it.

I'm not telling you to go and but one, but the bottom line is, you need to get to a store and play a few in your price range then man up and make you own decision based of what you feel and like

And don't ever ask any of these tools on this site for an opinion about a certain product.... "See the begining of my comment"


Uh, no. I recommend guitars I don't own (but have played) all the time. If you like your Ibanez then that's nice, but you probably could have gotten a much nicer guitar for your money...
#33
Quote by majorpain1023
Dude, look... Don't listen to the one's who claim not to have "encountered" or don't even own and Ibanez, they like what they play and will down play anything but what they have.
And the same goes for those who do own an Ibanez, they like what the have and will pimp it.

I own an Ibanez. It does have a few flaws, but I would give it a 4 1/2 out of 5 rating. I change my strings to a heavier guage and I didn't like it.

I'm not telling you to go and but one, but the bottom line is, you need to get to a store and play a few in your price range then man up and make you own decision based of what you feel and like

And don't ever ask any of these tools on this site for an opinion about a certain product.... "See the begining of my comment"

Well, seeing as how I sold and repaired them and see more Ibanez guitars in a year than you'll see in your life, I think I'm fully qualified to make a statement as to their quality. I also don't appreciate you calling me a "tool" (reported).

I'll agree that its the individual's decision and that they should do what sounds right to them. That does NOT mean they shouldn't do their homework and find out whether or not they're getting their money's worth.

Ibanez has terrible quality control. I will not fault them for being a guitar whose feel, fit, and finish I don't care for, but I will fault them for misglued binding, misglued bracing, cracks (from the factory), spotted finishes, broken tuners, and hammered-in pins. They have horrible, horrible quality control. Worse than just about any brand I've seen (besides Rogue; but they make toys, not instruments).

In that respect, congratulations; glad you found the good one out of the bunch.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#34
Well, seeing as how I sold and repaired them and see more Ibanez guitars in a year than you'll see in your life, I think I'm fully qualified to make a statement as to their quality. I also don't appreciate you calling me a "tool" (reported).

If you gotta go "report/tattle" on me, then you are a tool !

If you sold and repaired them and have seen more than me... Then bravo to you. How about this... When you make a comment on your knowledge of a product, why don't you state where you get that knoweldge from. Otherwise you knida leave yourself open.

As far as my Ibanez, I'm pleased with what I bought, and I feel I got my moneys worth, no regrets here, and I didn't have some tool telling me what to buy.

Thank you and have a nice day

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#35
Quote by Chad48309
Well, seeing as how I sold and repaired them and see more Ibanez guitars in a year than you'll see in your life, I think I'm fully qualified to make a statement as to their quality. I also don't appreciate you calling me a "tool" (reported).

If you gotta go "report/tattle" on me, then you are a tool !

If you sold and repaired them and have seen more than me... Then bravo to you. How about this... When you make a comment on your knowledge of a product, why don't you state where you get that knoweldge from. Otherwise you knida leave yourself open.

As far as my Ibanez, I'm pleased with what I bought, and I feel I got my moneys worth, no regrets here, and I didn't have some tool telling me what to buy.

Thank you and have a nice day

Quote by Chad48309
I used to sell them and dread the day shipments came in. I would literally have to spend at least an hour on each one trying to fix everything that Ibanez screwed up. Action was always either buzzing or so high the Hulk couldn't play it, the pins would always be practically impacted into the bridge, electronics would be rattling around inside, etc.

First page, moron. Maybe you should try reading the thread before you post in it. The acoustic forum prides itself on being civil, and Darwinian nightmares such as yourself are the reason for being so strict.

There is also another post on the first page reporting on my experience with them.

Edit: and here it is:
Quote by Chad48309
No, I don't just hate Ibanez. I dislike poorly made acoustics. I've watched and spent countless hours sweating over their poor quality control, so don't assume for a second that I don't know what I'm talking about.


Edit2: also, I didn't report you for calling me a tool. I reported you for calling everyone who offers advice on this forum (which is the reason it exists) a tool. I have no problem with personal insults, but there's no reason to call everyone on this forum a "tool."
Sincerely, Chad.
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#36
Quote by Chad48309
Well, seeing as how I sold and repaired them and see more Ibanez guitars in a year than you'll see in your life, I think I'm fully qualified to make a statement as to their quality. I also don't appreciate you calling me a "tool" (reported).

If you gotta go "report/tattle" on me, then you are a tool !

If you sold and repaired them and have seen more than me... Then bravo to you. How about this... When you make a comment on your knowledge of a product, why don't you state where you get that knoweldge from. Otherwise you knida leave yourself open.

As far as my Ibanez, I'm pleased with what I bought, and I feel I got my moneys worth, no regrets here, and I didn't have some tool telling me what to buy.

Thank you and have a nice day



Please try to be a bit more tactful. You can have your viewpoint heard without resorting to using insult. Thanks.

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#37
Quote by Chad48309
First page, moron. Maybe you should try reading the thread before you post in it. The acoustic forum prides itself on being civil, and Darwinian nightmares such as yourself are the reason for being so strict.

easy buddy
#38
LOL, thanks majorpain, but honestly you haven't really helped your own credibility. In fact, if anything, you've persuaded me to take Chad's and jimtaka's advice even more seriously.

I'm sure I'll come across some Ibanez's and of course I'll pick them up and play them because they're so pretty. But I've heard more not so nice things about lower-end Ibanez's than any other brand, and NOT JUST ON THIS FORUM, so I'll def be on the lookout for fit/finish problems and other quality issues.

For any big purchase I have to decide on, I never look only at the number of positive reviews - instead I look for the negative reviews and look for correlating experiences. If 20 different people are all complaining about the same flaw, then there are obviously quality control issues. On the other hand, I don't put much stock in reviews that sound like, "OMG!!!11 I LUV MY GITAR IT IZ TEH AWESOME BEST GITAR EVAAAAR TRUST ME I NOW WUT IM TALKING ABOUT CUZ IV PLAYED IT A LOT!!!!1"

This strategy has always stood me in good stead - and if I do end up purchasing an item that received harsh criticism, at least I know what I'm getting into. Who knows... I might just fall in love with an Ibanez and be very happy with it!
#39
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LOL, thanks majorpain, but honestly you haven't really helped your own credibility. In fact, if anything, you've persuaded me to take Chad's and jimtaka's advice even more seriously.

I'm sure I'll come across some Ibanez's and of course I'll pick them up and play them because they're so pretty. But I've heard more not so nice things about lower-end Ibanez's than any other brand, and NOT JUST ON THIS FORUM, so I'll def be on the lookout for fit/finish problems and other quality issues.

For any big purchase I have to decide on, I never look only at the number of positive reviews - instead I look for the negative reviews and look for correlating experiences. If 20 different people are all complaining about the same flaw, then there are obviously quality control issues. On the other hand, I don't put much stock in reviews that sound like, "OMG!!!11 I LUV MY GITAR IT IZ TEH AWESOME BEST GITAR EVAAAAR TRUST ME I NOW WUT IM TALKING ABOUT CUZ IV PLAYED IT A LOT!!!!1"

This strategy has always stood me in good stead - and if I do end up purchasing an item that received harsh criticism, at least I know what I'm getting into. Who knows... I might just fall in love with an Ibanez and be very happy with it!


Good tactic. I also do that as well. There's millions of people who say how wonderful a guitar is because a lot of the time, people just buy the guitar and just comment on how the guitar is right after buying it. What they don't yet know is how the guitar is to live with.
#40
Quote by jimtaka
easy buddy

You're right. There was no need to stoop to name-calling on his level. I apologize.
Sincerely, Chad.
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