#1
Basically, at xmas, i bought a Marshall 40watt DSl Duel Combo.

I told the dude in the shop im a metal head, looking for a real heavy metal tone, and he said this was the amp for me. even though i doubted him, i still bought it.

but like it just sounds terrible the whole time i try to get a mean tone.

can anyone help me? tone settings? maybe a new amp is in order?

I know Trivium used to use DSL's and Wylde uses marshalls, but i tried out a Peavey 6501 or sumin (ones Bullet and Machine Head use) and that was like, the bets amp i've heard, better then a Duel Rec.

but yeha help would be appreciated

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#3
turn it up louder maybe. marshalls tone is mainly in the power amp. or maybe a new set of tubes might be needed, or the stock speaker could be messing with the sound
#4
Could be anything from the tubes to the speaker. Maybe get someone else who knows what they're doing to take a look at it. But DSL combos arent exactly metal amps.

Oh and try not to take the advice of some music store employee too seriously.. ever.
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#5
well each time i turn it up, its like totally unnesscarily bassy. and everyone iv met says they are good amps.

how much would i get if i took it back? i bought it for 400 quid
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#6
Return the DSL, get the Peavey 6505, tubes or speakers won't help like a new amp, or an OD pedal might help[ if you can't do that
#7
i have got a od pedal, but theres way to much feedback. how much wud i get that Peavey for? the guy who owned the one i recorded with, said it was £690. and i know its hard ot get them now since they aren't in production
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#8
can't help with this, but advice for future: TRY BEFORE YOU BUY, they can't not let you try out the amps and guitars, because thats what they are there for. so always ask to try it out with a guitar similar to yours (unless you have yours with you at the time) and decide yourself whether or not its what you're after.
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#9
yeah i did try it out, (forgot to mentionh that) and it sounded pretty decent in the shop. but i was also in a rush. and it sounded good compared to my practiose amp.
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#10
i guess its one of those things, you try something in the shop, looks or sounds good.

take it home and it sounds like a pile of crap after a week
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#11
It's a common complaint with the DSL - due mainly to the cheapo speakers and mediocre valves. Try Celestion V30s or the Eminence Red Ryder/ Black Powder, and for valves maybe JJs or Svetlana 'Winged C's. I know it feels like a rip-off, having to spend more money to get it to sound decent, but it's well worth it if you've got the patience to upgrade it a little.

Also, don't forget amps never sound especially good until you really crank them; I've always avoided Marshalls 'cause they're particularly bad in that regard.
#13
lol i know but its life.

do crank it up and i think it sounds ok, i can't really tell cos im in a small room and there so much bass.

i think i might just sell it on, along with my Boss-ME, old classicals, and old acoustic cos i hardly use them, and get something like a Peavey head and a Vintage Cab of some kind, thats what i was told by a mate
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#14
i have the dsl combo.

it isn't like the head series, different valves, different channels, pretty much a completely different amp.

i've ordered the head, it's pretty much my dream head that i've wnated since i played it.

i've had the dsl401 for little over a year.

it is no where near a metal amp.

i can get some decent tones out of it, not great, just decent.

can't wait for my head.
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#15
well thanks for all your help. looks like im selling the amp and half my equipment, since i hardly use any of it.

cheers!
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#17
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i have the dsl combo.

it isn't like the head series, different valves, different channels, pretty much a completely different amp.

i've ordered the head, it's pretty much my dream head that i've wnated since i played it.

i've had the dsl401 for little over a year.

it is no where near a metal amp.

i can get some decent tones out of it, not great, just decent.

can't wait for my head.



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#18
You might be quite lucky, there aren't many on Ebay at the moment. They're discontinued so the price has risen. I sold mine for £300 6 months ago but you could probably do better than that now.
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#19
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its certainly not terrible


Maybe not terrible tonally but for the price and the fact my £300 amp sounds bettter it is pretty damn terrible.
#20
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Maybe not terrible tonally but for the price and the fact my £300 amp sounds bettter it is pretty damn terrible.


Get off your pedestall. Laney VC's don't get as heavy as a DSL but yes it's probably better for Classic rock.
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#22
DSL combo suffers from very bad speakers and sometimes bad tubes.
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#23
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I agree with Becky, although her point needs clarification. The VC30 is far better value, and does the tones you want it to, better than the DSLs. There's no disputing the DSLs get heavier but the combo especially sounds horrific, as do the TSLs.

It also has a Celestion 70/80 and TAD valves stock, wheras the DSL has A Marshall MG speaker and Sovteks...

...So the DSL is HUGELY overpriced for what you get: farty tone, unless you really crank it.
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#24
May I suggest a couple of things that will change the tonal qualities of your amp, especially where too much "bass" is involved. A couple of things to try: 1st bring the AMP away from a wall, also lifting it from the floor will help minimize "bassy" (SP) room acoustics.

The DSL 401 EQ really effects sound so bring your bass down and mid, treb up (Adjust EQ settings 'till sound gets as close to your liking as possible.) Also with the 401 - playing loud WILL require EQ re-adjustments (not the same on a 100 IMHO.)

Also, the DSL CAN be used for a metal sound, but it is not the best beast for this. It does GREAT for classic rock and metal - for the Newer "death=metal" sound - not as good as other AMPS. When getting "close" to newer metal tone, I have placed a Digi Metal Master in front of the amp and it really does VERY well. The problem isn't really feedback (as I can work around that) it is noise. The DSL itself is a very quiet AMP, but you put the Metal Master in front and you get alot of "quiet noise."

Also, as some folks have already stated you can really change the sound by swapping the speaker and/or valves. It is amazing how much this tweaks can do to the sound. One of the reasons I personally like this amp is it's versatility. The Speaker change alone can really "tighten" up the sound (not as bassy or muddy.)

Check out you tube for a variety of clips...one even goes over adjusting EQ.

Peace
#25
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May I suggest a couple of things that will change the tonal qualities of your amp, especially where too much "bass" is involved. A couple of things to try: 1st bring the AMP away from a wall, also lifting it from the floor will help minimize "bassy" (SP) room acoustics.

The DSL 401 EQ really effects sound so bring your bass down and mid, treb up (Adjust EQ settings 'till sound gets as close to your liking as possible.) Also with the 401 - playing loud WILL require EQ re-adjustments (not the same on a 100 IMHO.)

Also, the DSL CAN be used for a metal sound, but it is not the best beast for this. It does GREAT for classic rock and metal - for the Newer "death=metal" sound - not as good as other AMPS. When getting "close" to newer metal tone, I have placed a Digi Metal Master in front of the amp and it really does VERY well. The problem isn't really feedback (as I can work around that) it is noise. The DSL itself is a very quiet AMP, but you put the Metal Master in front and you get alot of "quiet noise."

Also, as some folks have already stated you can really change the sound by swapping the speaker and/or valves. It is amazing how much this tweaks can do to the sound. One of the reasons I personally like this amp is it's versatility. The Speaker change alone can really "tighten" up the sound (not as bassy or muddy.)

Check out you tube for a variety of clips...one even goes over adjusting EQ.

Peace


i find i have to raise the bass and drop the treble on mines, that maybe because i have put a v30 speaker in mines, but i cant remember what the original speaker was like, iv seen afew people complain about lack of bass with the dsl401 aswell
#26
Yeh on my stock DSL I lower treble to about 11 o'clock on the clean and 9 o'clock on overdrive. I don't have any probs with bass (I thought the OP did...ooops!!) My next mod may be the v30 speaker...how do you like it?

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i find i have to raise the bass and drop the treble on mines, that maybe because i have put a v30 speaker in mines, but i cant remember what the original speaker was like, iv seen afew people complain about lack of bass with the dsl401 aswell