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#1
This is the thread for real old fogies, indeed. Doesn’t it feel strange listening to d**d musicians? Let me explain. Many classic rockers are already gone, the living ones are too old and the new generation of musicians isn’t worth it. Isn’t that confusing and embarassing to face the fact that you collect and listen to the records of solely or primarily departed persons? What are you going to do? To call yourself an "antique lover" and enjoy yourself? Perspective?
#2
...I just enjoy the music, regardless of who made it.
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#4
I'm not an old fogie but I listen to loads of dead peoples music, AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Sex Pistols and loads more
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#5
Why do you feel the necessity to censor the word 'dead'?

Well I listen to Death, and Chuck seems pretty dead to me. I think he'd be proud to know his music has outlived him.
#6
I don't naturally associate the art with the artist - I only think about it if I try to. Same way I listen to Nick Oliveri records without thinking about the fact that he beat his wife.
#7
Quote by Realist
...and the new generation of musicians isn’t worth it.


you, my dear fellow, are an idiot.

music is music. beethoven, mozart, bach... they're dead. kids get taught about their history and music from primary school.

if 6 year olds can handle listening to music from 200+ yrs ago, i'm sure you can handle with music from 40 years ago.

modern music shouldnt be frowned down on. i'm sure theres just as many 'bad' musicians now as there was then percentage wise. that means theres just as many great musicians now as there was then.

get ur head out of the sand.
#8
Modern music has some fantastic stuff, you just have to explore more. It may sound different, but hey, people aren't recording on analog equipment anymore, it won't have that "old" sound. Just get over it and move on. A life without discovery is a life without excitement I think.
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#9
if santana died he would be in the position hendrix is now. at least so says my perspective. im probably horribly wrong but meh. dead people are usually the ones who spent there life at the fullest. they wrote and performed to the best they could. modern musicians see music as a career where as back in the 60's and 70's it was different. i cant really describe it because im too tired to use my vocabulary, but they usually didnt just do it for the money or the accompanying sex and booze.

also i think what he means to say by modern musicians arent worth it, are the ones we hear about all the time. most good modern bands are metal which not everyone is into, or they dont get any airplay or even get picked up by a label. or they get hell for copying an older bands style like wolfmother do. honestly pop punk musicians are useless songwriters and all their music sounds the same. between alot of new bands its hard to define who it is. almost any GNR song is pretty easy to identify. same with led zeppelin. but i struggle to tell the difference between pairs of pop punk bands because they play in an almost identical style. and bands like nickelback are supposed to be hard rock. they are effectively the pop punk stuff with a growling singer and more distortion on the guitars.
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#10
what makes it strange? Randy Rhoads, Bon Scott, John Bonham, Jimi Hendrix, John Lennon, and many, many, many, many, many more have died. It's a fact of life.
You read books by dead people don't you?
The only bit I think is weird is when you have only ever seen a band recently, then you see videos of them 40 years ago and they look sooooo different but sound the same, that can be a bit weird...
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#11
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Why do you feel the necessity to censor the word 'dead'?

Well I listen to Death, and Chuck seems pretty dead to me. I think he'd be proud to know his music has outlived him.


No, not necessarily. Just for your comfort. I used an euphemism in my post as well.

About the subject. I thought that might be a problem. Say, we can wait for a NEW release from our beloved artists so far. But they ALL are too old. So, every CR fan is virtually an "antique lover". That's it!
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#12
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you, my dear fellow, are an idiot.


No, no. I wrote: FOR FOGIES!
#13
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modern music shouldnt be frowned down on. i'm sure theres just as many 'bad' musicians now as there was then percentage wise. that means theres just as many great musicians now as there was then.


I agree, there are good modern artists. The main problem is that most of the popular modern artists aren't good, can't write any of their own material...(and some dont even sing it )
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#14
Modern music is noisy, banal, digital and amateurish. They even can't hold the guitar properly, not to mention ideas and sound.
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Modern music is noisy, banal, digital and amateurish. They even can't hold the guitar properly, not to mention ideas and sound.


You obviously don't actually listen to any modern music, mmmkay?

Oh, and about 'not being able to hold the guitar properly':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOb6JSQd-Qw
#16
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You obviously don't actually listen to any modern music, mmmkay?

Oh, and about 'not being able to hold the guitar properly':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOb6JSQd-Qw


I love just the 60-70s music. The 80s are s**t. In the 90s there was some revival but in vain. Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Oasis, Alice In Chains, RATM etc are not for me. It's the same old story and I wouldn't like to kick it around.
#17
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Modern music is noisy, banal, digital and amateurish. They even can't hold the guitar properly, not to mention ideas and sound.

Eat this then.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYxrdrzmuUw
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#19
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Modern music is noisy, banal, digital and amateurish. They even can't hold the guitar properly, not to mention ideas and sound.


I don't get fogies trashin new music. Hell look at the **** that passed for rock music back then.

There are bands that still know how to play. Sure, what's popular sucks, but listen to some Mars Volta, Pearl Jam, Tool, or Radiohead and tell me that they aren't far superior musicians to all the ****ty older bands, and when I say "****ty older bands" I don't mean Zep, Beatles etc etc, I mean bands like Boston, Journey, Foghat etc etc.
#20
You should love the Allman Brothers Band, Eagles and Dr. John before confronting me! Don't mess with the garbage like Aerosmith and Kiss!
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You should love the Allman Brothers Band, Eagles and Dr. John before confronting me! Don't mess with the garbage like Aerosmith and Kiss!

What's wrong with Aerosmith? They've been playing since the Paleozoic Era and still play the fuck out of their instruments and sell out shows. Joe Perry's a beast, man; and Steven Tyler is still able to sing.
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What's wrong with Aerosmith? They've been playing since the Paleozoic Era and still play the fuck out of their instruments and sell out shows. Joe Perry's a beast, man; and Steven Tyler is still able to sing.


Aerosmith, Whitesnake, Journey and (Oh, no!) Foreigner?!!

That's not music at all. Harmonically and sonically.
#23
Where are feel, groove, tradition, sophisticated and CLEAR harmonies? Where did the hell The Beatles go?
#24
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Where are feel, groove, tradition, sophisticated and CLEAR harmonies? Where did the hell The Beatles go?

Where'd the Beatles go? Two of them are dead.

Where do you think they went?
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Where do you think they went?


I mean in general. Figuratively speaking

Sorry, I didn't mean to distract from the subject. This is for stick-in-the-muds as it reads.
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I don't naturally associate the art with the artist - I only think about it if I try to. Same way I listen to Nick Oliveri records without thinking about the fact that he beat his wife.



+1 on Nick, his music is badass
#27
This is such an odd thread. The simple response is that music lives on. Doesn't matter if the writer/musician is dead, departed, deceased or d**d.
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I don't get fogies trashin new music. Hell look at the **** that passed for rock music back then.

There are bands that still know how to play. Sure, what's popular sucks, but listen to some Mars Volta, Pearl Jam, Tool, or Radiohead and tell me that they aren't far superior musicians to all the ****ty older bands, and when I say "****ty older bands" I don't mean Zep, Beatles etc etc, I mean bands like Boston, Journey, Foghat etc etc.

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#29
Not really. A lot of the dead people have more talent than some people who are alive.
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#30
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This is such an odd thread. The simple response is that music lives on. Doesn't matter if the writer/musician is dead, departed, deceased or d**d.


Don't feel confused, pls. I like unconventional topics sometimes, not very often The question is not in THEM. The question is in our attitude to collecting CR records and self-awareness as a CR collector. OK, I'll put it short:
At present, we can witness their works but one day we can find out that the WHOLE THING is ALREADY a legacy. It takes effort to get used to treating them the way you treat the books (a good comparison was above).
#31
^Do I find it odd that people collect music from people who are deceased...no...why should I? It's good music, most modern music (as I said before) is made by people with less talent in their whole person and backing musicians than many of the musicians back in the 70s had in their left big toe....(creatively speaking). Of course there is, and always will be, the exceptions who are talented musicians. These people were popular back in the 70s and as a result their work is well known and easily available, whereas nowadays you have people who don't even write their own songs at No 1 in the charts...this makes the good musicians more difficult to find, the main problem is the modern market which is a load of teenagers who like rave music

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EDIT: I'd also like this oppurtunity to point out that most popular modern music has no meaning behind it's lyrics whereas CR has thought provoking lyrics which are an expression of the lyricists feelings. CR lyrics are a bit like poetry whereas most modern lyrics are the scribblings of a six year old by comparison....in my opinion anyway
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#33
Sigh.

I could name modern bands/artists that have meaning, etc. but I shouldn't even have to and it'll do nothing if I did. This guy's in full close-minded mode.


I'm not bothered in listening to people who are dead. I get what you're saying, but I don't think that affects anything. The bottom line is that the music lives on. You can say that this is about our attitude towards them because they're dead... but I don't know anyone who looks at a Doors record and says "eww, stay away from that... Jim Morrison is dead!". I have never treated music differently because of how old it is or whether the person who made it is dead. Good music is good music, whether it be from today, yesterday or tomorrow. The artist being dead doesn't change the way it affects me or how I think about it.
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#35
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I could name modern bands/artists that have meaning, etc. but I shouldn't even have to and it'll do nothing if I did. This guy's in full close-minded mode.


Indeed it's just that what is popular nowadays by and large isn't good
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I could name modern bands/artists that have meaning, etc. but I shouldn't even have to and it'll do nothing if I did. This guy's in full close-minded mode.


I’d sure prefer this mode than wasting time & money on that horror the real broad-minded guys (they believe) choose. Didn’t you still get the idea that I respect serious songwriting and playing rather than jerks on stage?
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#37
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Don't feel confused, pls. I like unconventional topics sometimes, not very often The question is not in THEM. The question is in our attitude to collecting CR records and self-awareness as a CR collector. OK, I'll put it short:
At present, we can witness their works but one day we can find out that the WHOLE THING is ALREADY a legacy. It takes effort to get used to treating them the way you treat the books (a good comparison was above).

I don't go out and buy a classic rock record because it's classic rock, I buy it because I know or I think I will like the music on it, not just to 'collect' the records as you implied there.
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I’d sure prefer this mode than wasting time & money on that horror the real broad-minded guys (they believe) choose.

Being open-minded doesn't mean you have to go out and try to explore every 'genre' possible in music (inverted commas used because I hate the way it seems almost every band now has their own 'genre'), I think he meant you were in full close-minded mode because of statements like modern music is crap.
I know you didn't say those exact words but I'm sure it was something like that, I cba going back to check.


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#38
^ You got me absolutely right. Simply grasp the difference, everything else has no sense. That's the way of the world: dear and cheap, genuine and fake, good tradition and pure marketing, high and low... Just appreciate that sound, approach and technologies. At least, listen to the names I mentioned. If you're eager for modern records, get Robert Plant & Alison Krauss'07, for instance (if not yet). Oh! I've nearly forgotten: GOV'T MULE! Great people! No modern indie or grunge band has similar potential.
#39
^ Sorry man it may be me but I hardly understood that post. I've heard some of Plant & Krauss and didn't really like it. And just because it's Robert Plant I'm not going to listen to it..
Now I cba getting into labelling modern bands I like but there are many, you just have to look for them. Don't ignore them because they're new and stick only to the oldies or whatever, and if you're really adamant that you can't do that then why not listen to bands that hark back to that era like The White Stripes or The Black Keys or something?

Also what you have to remember is when you listen to Classic Rock, you're listening to let's say, Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Free whatever and these have stood the test of time because they're all great bands. There are a few bands around today that people will still listen to in 20, 30 years time and refuse to listen to anything else. But no doubt that the 60s and 70s had their own lot of **** bands, you'll have to ask one of the older folk around here

And statements like "The 80's are s**t" make me wonder why I'm even bothering with your thread tbh.


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^ Sorry man it may be me but I hardly understood that post. I've heard some of Plant & Krauss and didn't really like it. And just because it's Robert Plant I'm not going to listen to it..
Now I cba getting into labelling modern bands I like but there are many, you just have to look for them. Don't ignore them because they're new and stick only to the oldies or whatever, and if you're really adamant that you can't do that then why not listen to bands that hark back to that era like The White Stripes or The Black Keys or something?.


Why don't you understand? I told you about good and bad things because they do exist in terms of quality (of music). The White Stripes? Think what you're saying! I know them, of course. I heard many.

Also what you have to remember is when you listen to Classic Rock, you're listening to let's say, Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Free whatever and these have stood the test of time because they're all great bands. There are a few bands around today that people will still listen to in 20, 30 years time and refuse to listen to anything else. But no doubt that the 60s and 70s had their own lot of **** bands, you'll have to ask one of the older folk around here



No. it's not a matter of time. There were numbers of cheesy performers in those years too, but far fewer in contrast to nowadays.

And statements like "The 80's are s**t" make me wonder why I'm even bothering with your thread tbh


Yes, I know what I'm talking about. It's entirely up to you though.
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