#1
As a guitar teacher, it's interesting to me to hear what other musicians think about this question.

I'm self taught myself, but looking back I can see how a teacher would have helped my progression and saved me from a lot of mistakes, bad habits and re-inventing the wheel.

On the other hand, because I am self taught, I was free to go in directions that appealled to me.

But then again, even Neal Peart takes drum lessons, so...

What do you think?
Last edited by ParaTed2k at Mar 28, 2008,
#2
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#3
it depends how good the teacher is. My old teacher was awesome, but my new one is rubbish. if you find the right teacher, then teacher all the way. but if the only teacher available is crud, then self-taught is the way to go.

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#5
i had a teacher when I was young, from 4 until like 12. From then on I went the self taught route as my current teacher at that time was a bit of a fraud (I could pwn him by the time I was 16). Self taught was nice as you said because I was free to do anything. I do not wish I had a teacher from the ages of 14 till I was around 22 as I really enjoyed learning on my own and took a sense of pride from that. I'm 25 now and I really do wish I had a teacher now but everyone I goto hears me play, and then offers me a job, cause they can't help me. My town is a bit limited in musicians I guess.
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#6
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#7
I think it really depends on the person who's learning. I'm self-taught and I have to agree that while a good teacher would surely have sped my learning process, knowing myself I probably would've had a lot less interest in guitar at that point. I know that I learn best when I'm forced to figure things out on my own, but the main attraction was the freedom to do as I pleased and that probably led to my obsession with the instrument.

On the other hand, I'm teaching several people the basics and I've noticed that everybody learns differently. E.g. - my good friend learns best when he sees things being done in front of him and he can ask questions about it. A teacher is pretty much a necessity for him.

SO what it all boils down to, imo, is the needs of the student. If you've got one who's more of a "rebel" type like myself- give them more freedom and more ideas to tinker with. Guaranteed they would appreciate the open-mindedness!
#8
A good teacher is around 20 years worth of music experience. Anyone who would pass up that source of knowledge is a fool!

Of course, a bad teacher can do as much bad as good, or even worst, do all bad. When I condone getting a teacher...which is always, I suggest for the individual to search around at the local university as the professors will often times be able to give you private lessons or to point you in the direction of a good teacher most suitable for your skill level.
#9
I think you only need a teacher if the teacher is going to teach theory with their lessons
If not.. they're useless

I took music theory at my school.
and I taught myself guitar.
and I can play songs like Vela, Together We Await The Storm by The Human abstract after playing for 1 year.

I just watched youtube videos or two on "harmonics" or "sweep picking"

So my conclusion,
No you don't need a teacher.
But yes you need to know music theory to be a good musician.
#10
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it depends how good the teacher is. My old teacher was awesome, but my new one is rubbish. if you find the right teacher, then teacher all the way. but if the only teacher available is crud, then self-taught is the way to go.

edit: should that picture not be in you're sig, coz i think it might count as spam otherwise...


Hmm, didn't think of it that way. Thanks for the heads up. I edited it out.
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it depends how good the teacher is. My old teacher was awesome, but my new one is rubbish. if you find the right teacher, then teacher all the way. but if the only teacher available is crud, then self-taught is the way to go.

edit: should that picture not be in you're sig, coz i think it might count as spam otherwise...


I agree. A teacher that doesn't know what they are doing can be worse than no teacher at all. Too many people think that, because they are really good with their instrument, they can teach.
#12
[quote="'Anno[fzk"]']I think you only need a teacher if the teacher is going to teach theory with their lessons
If not.. they're useless

I agree, which is why my card says, "When you're ready to learn guitar, not just songs."

If a person calls wanting me to just teach them a few power chords or riffs, I direct them to a few online tab sites. If I know them, then maybe I'll spend a few minutes showing them some fingerings, but I don't take them on as students.
#13
teacher is definately the way to go. moreso for technique imo than anything, i've had to stop and redo my technique after 11 or so years and wish desperately that i had learned the proper way from the beginning. it was difficult initially revamping my technique but looking back i think about how good i COULD be if i had done it right from the beginning. i might border on paul gilbert greatness had i spent the last 12 years playing like i should have (anybody could if they practiced for 12 years with a proper technique, im nothing special)
#14
In the beginning I took lessons.

Even as i started on my journey towards world domination, I had a teacher teach me the small technicalities that make a great musician. Without a teacher, I would've have fallen in love with jazz or acoustic and classical guitar and I would've become something I would've hated.
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Quote by ParaTed2k
As a guitar teacher, it's interesting to me to hear what other musicians think about this question.

I'm self taught myself, but looking back I can see how a teacher would have helped my progression and saved me from a lot of mistakes, bad habits and re-inventing the wheel.

On the other hand, because I am self taught, I was free to go in directions that appealled to me.

But then again, even Neal Peart takes drum lessons, so...

What do you think?



personally i dont see it as a "VS" issue. I think you can get alot out of lessons, but you can also accomplish alot on your own.

If you've never played before, I would highly recommend studying with a teacher to get you started.

Also if you want to study a specific style, working with someone experienced in that style can be very helpful.

I always enjoyed taking lessons, and learning as much as I can. I've studied with quite a few different teachers, and had a great experience with each one.

I've also spent quite a few years on my own, and they were rewarding as well. Its important to note though, that because I had taken lessons, I had something to build off of and explore on my own.
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#16
I encourage all my students to pursue things on their own, I am more of a sounding block for the more advanced students. No one can teach anyone anything, However you can suggest different areas of study and concepts. The learning has to be done by the student, it cannot be done for them. A good teacher can simplify a concept and make it easy to grasp and apply.

Beginners have to be supplied with very simple steps to follow to allow them to achieve something quickly so as not to lose their enthusiasm.

A teacher is more of a coach, someone that can supply ideas and then help others achieve them.
#17
Beginners have to be supplied with very simple steps to follow to allow them to achieve something quickly so as not to lose their enthusiasm.


Lies. I get really pissed off when teachers simplify things... 'coz you have to go right to the end of the subject to get the actual truth of the matter. For example science, where matter decomposes from a mush of stuff into atoms into protons and neutrons into quarks as you go up the subject.

Anyhow, back to music... I find it a lot easier to teach myself, 'coz that way I can look at things from my own perspective instead of looking through the teacher's eyes. Same applies universally, I want the absolute and complete picture, not what I need to know at the time.

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#20
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A good teacher will teach you so that you are well-equipped to pursue greatness on your own.

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Well said

+1
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#21
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Lies. I get really pissed off when teachers simplify things... 'coz you have to go right to the end of the subject to get the actual truth of the matter. For example science, where matter decomposes from a mush of stuff into atoms into protons and neutrons into quarks as you go up the subject.

Anyhow, back to music... I find it a lot easier to teach myself, 'coz that way I can look at things from my own perspective instead of looking through the teacher's eyes. Same applies universally, I want the absolute and complete picture, not what I need to know at the time.

[/rant]


So you played "The Cliffs of Dover" the first time you picked up a guitar?

I don't understand your point.
#22
Anyhow, back to music... I find it a lot easier to teach myself, 'coz that way I can look at things from my own perspective instead of looking through the teacher's eyes. Same applies universally, I want the absolute and complete picture, not what I need to know at the time.


How ridiculous that you'd mention science in the same post as this. You enjoy teaching yourself because it allows you to for skip the rigors of objectivity and the controls that it takes to eliminate your own subjective biases. You're intellectually lazy.
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#23
Quote by ParaTed2k
As a guitar teacher, it's interesting to me to hear what other musicians think about this question.

I'm self taught myself, but looking back I can see how a teacher would have helped my progression and saved me from a lot of mistakes, bad habits and re-inventing the wheel.

On the other hand, because I am self taught, I was free to go in directions that appealled to me.

But then again, even Neal Peart takes drum lessons, so...

What do you think?


You can do both.

You should do both, is what I mean.

Even if you have a teacher, you should be teaching yourself things all the time whenever you aren't with him / her.
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You're intellectually lazy.
Though, in a way, he's ambitious. He wants to figure out the last 4000 years of musical development on his own!
#25
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Lies. I get really pissed off when teachers simplify things... 'coz you have to go right to the end of the subject to get the actual truth of the matter. For example science, where matter decomposes from a mush of stuff into atoms into protons and neutrons into quarks as you go up the subject.

Anyhow, back to music... I find it a lot easier to teach myself, 'coz that way I can look at things from my own perspective instead of looking through the teacher's eyes. Same applies universally, I want the absolute and complete picture, not what I need to know at the time.

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You are talking about arrival and no journey.

Journey is what gives you experience and makes you who you are.

So a small 3 year old child should be forced to read an Encyclopaedia and stuff learning the alphabet and making letter shapes?

Maybe leave education to those that know what they are doing.