#1
whenever i record songs with my good monitors, the mix usually sounds pretty weak when i listen back to it with in-ear headphones. is this normal? should i try and mix with both and go for a mix that's somewhere in between? if not, what should i do?
#2
try it out on as many systems as you can to get the best mix
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whenever i record songs with my good monitors, the mix usually sounds pretty weak when i listen back to it with in-ear headphones. is this normal? should i try and mix with both and go for a mix that's somewhere in between? if not, what should i do?


I would advise you to use the speakers you will probably listen to it through. If you actually plan on distributing it, you will need to do more professional mixing, which will probably use the better quality speakers or headphones.
#4
Never mix on in-ear headphones, they're crap.

You could have some acoustic problems in the room thats causing your mix to not translate well. Have you tried the mix on different CD players, in different rooms, cars etc.?
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#5
Don't use headphones/in-ear-phones, etc as monitors. I can't remember, but I'm sure I read an article somewhere, and it advised strongly against headphones. I think it has something to do with the sound not having to travel to your ear as it usually would.
#6
^ WRONG

this really should be in riffs and recording but for the record, i have a friend who took many a recording/mixing lessons and everything he's learned states that :

a quality mix will have everything leveled equally and properly regardless of what it plays back through. so a playback through headphones should be the same as a car stereo, clock radio, home stereo, computer monitors or anything else.

good mixing takes a LOT of practice. even after completing his course on it he still had to work with it for about a year to really start getting good at it.
#7
^I'M VERY SORRY.

I don't really know much about recording, mixing, etc.


Was looking at this though, TS might want to read it. http://www.bluebearsound.com/articles/headphones.htm

What TS said about the mix sounding poor through the in-ear headphones though, I would probably put down to the headphones being poorer quality (but I'm no expert).
#8
a quality mix will have everything leveled equally and properly regardless of what it plays back through. so a playback through headphones should be the same as a car stereo, clock radio, home stereo, computer monitors or anything else.


Except you will almost never achieve that goal by using headphones for the reasons stated below.

@agreth - what are you using, more specifically, than 'good monitors?'

Good commercial/consumer speakers do NOT make good monitors, as they are coloured to accentuate bass and treble frequencies. The reason for this is that the consumer perceives these kinds of speakers as sounding better (and therefore being better, despite being less accurate), and as soon as the consumer likes one better than another, the one they like gets the sale. Headphones suffer the same problem. With these distortions, though pleasing to the consumer ear, it is nearly impossible to get a mix that translates to other systems.

Good headphones for mixing would be something like AKG K240. I have a pair, and they were about $250. They're good for checking mixes, but I wouldn't actually mix with them. Good mixing speakers will have a very flat frequency response. You'll listen to them and describe them as dull sounding, and boring. That's what you want. If they are honest speakers, and you know how they behave with treble and bass frequencies (ie you've become 'unprogrammed' to want to hear more bass and treble than is needed), then you have an honest mix that will translate to anything well enough. Those distortions on consumer phones or speakers will be the distortions that were intended by the manufacturer, and that were intended to make them sound as pleasing as possible.

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#9
Quote by Fraz01
^I'M VERY SORRY.

I don't really know much about recording, mixing, etc.


Was looking at this though, TS might want to read it. http://www.bluebearsound.com/articles/headphones.htm

What TS said about the mix sounding poor through the in-ear headphones though, I would probably put down to the headphones being poorer quality (but I'm no expert).


Good link! I know Blue Bear - He runs a pro studio up in Ottawa. You should see the place. It was designed by John Sayers. Wow! Anyways, you don't run a show like he does without knowing what you're talking about. He frequents some other recording web forums and his input on those boards speaks volumes about his credibility.

CT
Could I get some more talent in the monitors, please?

I know it sounds crazy, but try to learn to inhale your voice. www.thebelcantotechnique.com

Chris is the king of relating music things to other objects in real life.
#10
Quote by axemanchris
Except you will almost never achieve that goal by using headphones for the reasons stated below.

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CT


my friend doesn't seem to have a problem with it. don't get me wrong it sounds a little different through headphones than speakers but the casual listener wouldn't notice it.
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Good link! I know Blue Bear - He runs a pro studio up in Ottawa. You should see the place. It was designed by John Sayers. Wow! Anyways, you don't run a show like he does without knowing what you're talking about. He frequents some other recording web forums and his input on those boards speaks volumes about his credibility.

CT


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CT
Could I get some more talent in the monitors, please?

I know it sounds crazy, but try to learn to inhale your voice. www.thebelcantotechnique.com

Chris is the king of relating music things to other objects in real life.