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#1
Google expelled for the website. I support intelligente design, and i think this movie will make a good impact. What do you think?
#2
It looks good. I'll make sure to watch it eventually. Hopefully it makes the theory more acceptable in science.
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#3
i dont beleive in ID, but it does look like a movie thats right up my alley
#4
I don't understand...


EDIT: Ooooh...I thought you were saying that Google expelled it, and that didn't make any sense. Also I thought that title meant "Ben Stien is expelled."

I haven't heard anything about it.
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#7
its a movie that apparantly is supporting Intelligent Design, but in actuality it will most likely do the right thing and be informative on it rather than preach it as being the answer
#9
I don't really think that ID should be taught in public schools, but this seems like a movie that I'd want to take a look at just to get what the other side is thinking.
#10
Intelligent Design isn't taught in schools because it isn't actually science, most of the scientific agreeing on this. It's never taught in school that it's not true or anything of the sort.
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teaching this would be as bad as teaching scientology. warjslekdfs/d/ ilsdfkjs tr, gf.
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Intelligent Design isn't taught in schools because it isn't actually science, most of the scientific agreeing on this. It's never taught in school that it's not true or anything of the sort.

who can prove its not true?
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Quote by treehunter77
who can prove its not true?
Now faith is being sure of what we hope for, and certain of what we do not see.


That's why I don't want it taught in public schools, because it's completely based on faith in a God to exist, which should not be taught in a state-run school.
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I'm an optimistic guy, so I'd like to believe there's some being behind it. Then, of course, there'd be an afterlife. Unless this creator is a sick asshole who just wants to **** around with us.
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Quote by treehunter77
who can prove its not true?
Now faith is being sure of what we hope for, and certain of what we do not see.


It's that there's no evidence to back it up, and therefore isn't science. If you read my post, you'd see that I said that it's never taught in school that ID/Creation Science isn't true, just that it isn't actually science. There's not some mad Atheist conspiracy to make kids lose their faith.
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#16
thats like saying saying the big bang theory is completley based on faith in a big bang to have exisited, so why is it taught then?
#17
Hm, that's interesting. I had no idea that Ben Stein was such an idiot.
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what's the point in being "philiosophical"?

Interesting question...
#18
Okay, so after watching the trailer, I'm not compelled. He's arguing that the Darwinist are "afraid" and that there are obvious links found to intelligent design that some scientists have found. And then he says if we were in the time of Galileo, we wouldn't have to worry about expressing these opinions? lmao. If I remember correctly, the scientists were the ones getting killed for going against religion a long time ago, not the other way around. Regardless, these different opinions and theories have been around for a long time. If the movie actually contains a reasonable argument supported with evidence and logic, then it might have some merit to it.
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Quote by Vornik
Hm, that's interesting. I had no idea that Ben Stein was such an idiot.

well he WAS a speech writer for nixon....
#20
I just watched the trailer, I was pretty uninpressed. It wasn't to bad untill the end when he started going on about how religon is persecuted and religon is one thing thats not aloud to be spoken up about. I dissareed intirely. Anyone remember that girl who got away with wearing increadbly offencive clothing in school because it was her religon?
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You keep seeing songs like KoC, SMBH, and Hysteria showing up on games, but I want Micro Cuts on either Rock Band or Sing Star. I want to see numerous masses of kids staring at the tv wondering what the hell they're supposed to do.
#21
I Think we should be taught everything in school. We are getting an education not some robotic brain specification the government decides. No matter what you beleive in you are more acknowledge when you understands all sides of the argument. This fear of God or on the other hand Fear of No God is what makes people look so stupid. We should be truly educated not just given what we are told.
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#22
Quote by nt1440
well he WAS a speech writer for nixon....

Really? I guess it's no surprise, then.
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what's the point in being "philiosophical"?

Interesting question...
#23
ID = Creationism - Creationism became ID in 1987 when the courts rule that it was illegal to teach creationism in school science classes, because it's not science but religion. They changed the name of it to give it the aura of having some basis in science, but it's just the same thing with a different name.

Ben Stein is a jackass and a fool.
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Quote by treehunter77
thats like saying saying the big bang theory is completley based on faith in a big bang to have exisited, so why is it taught then?


In depth research has been done on this, coming up with the Big Bang theory. Whereas Evolutin, etc., has actual evidence to back it up, ID has none. Not bashing your faith in anyway, believe whatever you want, that's cool, but for something to even be considered a theory there has to be some modicum of evidence in support of it.
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Quote by Sumthing Catchy
I Think we should be taught everything in school. We are getting an education not some robotic brain specification the government decides. No matter what you beleive in you are more acknowledge when you understands all sides of the argument. This fear of God or on the other hand Fear of No God is what makes people look so stupid. We should be truly educated not just given what we are told.

Everything? Are you actually foolish enough to think that you can learn even a fraction of "everything" even if you were to attend school every day of your life from birth 'till death?

To avoid embarrassing yourself, think about what you say before you say it.
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what's the point in being "philiosophical"?

Interesting question...
#26
Quote by Bubban
In depth research has been done on this, coming up with the Big Bang theory. Whereas Evolutin, etc., has actual evidence to back it up, ID has none. Not bashing your faith in anyway, believe whatever you want, that's cool, but for something to even be considered a theory there has to be some modicum of evidence in support of it.


ty
wait, if theres evidence and all, whys it a theory?
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Quote by Sumthing Catchy
I Think we should be taught everything in school. We are getting an education not some robotic brain specification the government decides. No matter what you beleive in you are more acknowledge when you understands all sides of the argument. This fear of God or on the other hand Fear of No God is what makes people look so stupid. We should be truly educated not just given what we are told.


Nothing wrong with teaching about religions in school. Just don't teach it in science class. That is all any one has a problem with. ID/Creationism is not science. It is religion and religion can be taught in a different type of class, like social studies.
#28
Quote by treehunter77
ty
wait, if theres evidence and all, whys it a theory?


theory, n.: A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.

That implies evidence.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/theory
#29
Quote by treehunter77
ty
wait, if theres evidence and all, whys it a theory?


please learn what a scienctific theory is. Evolution is not in dispute. It is accepted. What is in dispute is exact ways it works.


The word theory has a number of distinct meanings in different fields of knowledge, depending on their methodologies and the context of discussion.

In science, a theory is a mathematical or logical explanation, or a testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise verified through empirical observation. It follows from this that for scientists "theory" and "fact" do not necessarily stand in opposition. For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet, and the theories commonly used to describe and explain this behavior are Newton's theory of universal gravitation (see also gravitation), and the theory of general relativity.

In common usage, the word theory is often used to signify a conjecture, an opinion, or a speculation. In this usage, a theory is not necessarily based on facts; in other words, it is not required to be consistent with true descriptions of reality. This usage of theory leads to the common incorrect statements. True descriptions of reality are more reflectively understood as statements which would be true independently of what people think about them.

According to the National Academy of Sciences,

Some scientific explanations are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them. The explanation becomes a scientific theory. In everyday language a theory means a hunch or speculation. Not so in science. In science, the word theory refers to a comprehensive explanation of an important feature of nature that is supported by many facts gathered over time. Theories also allow scientists to make predictions about as yet unobserved phenomena.[1]
#30
Quote by GoDrex
Nothing wrong with teaching about religions in school. Just don't teach it in science class. That is all any one has a problem with. ID/Creationism is not science. It is religion and religion can be taught in a different type of class, like social studies.


I'd have to disagree. Keep religion away from the classroom, unless you go to a religious school of course.
#31
Quote by Platodium
I'd have to disagree. Keep religion away from the classroom, unless you go to a religious school of course.


I think that there should be a World Religions class to expose kids to many religions, but not dedicated Christitanity, etc. classes.
#32
Quote by Platodium
I'd have to disagree. Keep religion away from the classroom, unless you go to a religious school of course.


There is nothing wrong at all about learning about religions in school. When I was in school we learned about other cultures in different countries and that includes learning about the various world religions. I'm not talking about religious indoctrination here.
#33
Evolution happens. End of story. You can literally see it happening. There is no reason for teachers to say "evolution happens. Oh and by the way, some people think god did it".

That would be like if your history teacher said "Then Napoleon was exiled to a small island in the middle of nowhere. Oh and by the way, some people think God made that happen".

Or if your math teacher said "Pi is roughly 3.141592654. Oh and by the way, some people think God made pi".

It's ****ing stupid. If you want to believe in god, fine. Not teaching ID in schools does not bias the school system in favour of atheism, it's impartial and secular.
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ty
wait, if theres evidence and all, whys it a theory?


Problem of induction.
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what's the point in being "philiosophical"?

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#34
Quote by LinkManDX
I think that there should be a World Religions class to expose kids to many religions, but not dedicated Christitanity, etc. classes.



+1

Ether no religons or all religons, "Kids need to be taught how to think, not what to think"


It'd be tricky though, you wouldn't be able to study about all major religons in detail with out altering a normal time table, there'd have to be religion specialist schools.
El-Danny

Quote by americnidiot
You keep seeing songs like KoC, SMBH, and Hysteria showing up on games, but I want Micro Cuts on either Rock Band or Sing Star. I want to see numerous masses of kids staring at the tv wondering what the hell they're supposed to do.
#35


I hope it presents intelligent design in a fair light too. Then we can dismiss them as loonies and get on with our collective day.
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#36
If you're really interested in this subject (ID and Evolution) then watch this video - it's rather long but it covers the topic extremely well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg

Ken Miller (a biologist and catholic who believes in God) basically destroys the ID arguement. It was his testimony that was a big reason why ID lost big in the Dover case.
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Everyone who truly supports "intelligent design" (creationism with a different name) is a moron. Period. There's no way someone can't be an idiot if they look at all of the proof for evolution as well as the other scientific things that conflict with the bible, and then decide that it's all false and that creationism is true.
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Quote by GoDrex
If you're really interested in this subject (ID and Evolution) then watch this video - it's rather long but it covers the topic extremely well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg

Ken Miller (a biologist and catholic who believes in God) basically destroys the ID arguement. It was his testimony that was a big reason why ID lost big in the Dover case.



Thats a little long, this short extract pretty much sums it up. https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=13545956
El-Danny

Quote by americnidiot
You keep seeing songs like KoC, SMBH, and Hysteria showing up on games, but I want Micro Cuts on either Rock Band or Sing Star. I want to see numerous masses of kids staring at the tv wondering what the hell they're supposed to do.
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Quote by GoDrex
There is nothing wrong at all about learning about religions in school. When I was in school we learned about other cultures in different countries and that includes learning about the various world religions. I'm not talking about religious indoctrination here.


Well yeah, if you're talking about teaching kids about all sort of religions and their impact, like the World Religions course someone else suggested, than I have no problem with that.
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