Poll: which is more oppressive?
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View poll results: which is more oppressive?
chromatic scale
59 50%
religion
96 81%
Voters: 118.
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#1
Which concept do you find to be more backwards and outdated?

Personally, I believe that the chromatic scale's place in contemporary music theory to be extremely debilitating. Much like religion, it lays down a set of rules (notes) which a vast majority of musicians and listeners choose to stick to, in the process vastly crippling the sonic palate available to the creator.

Much like religion, users of the chromatic scale tend to lack intelligence and creativity, and this shows in their work.

At least religion tends to promote good core morals and values, unlike the chromatic scale.


What do you guys/gals think?
#4
People don't come to my house to inform me of the greatness of the chromatic scale, so I think the chromatic scale is better.
#6
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#7
massive fail?
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#8
omg TS that was the most genius thing i have ever heard. honestly that was ****ing awesome. InvaderTSN, you are also ****ing awesome for your post.

now, on to my oppinion. I think religion is more oppressive because generally, it does not bring us happiness. However, the chromatic scale gives us a chance to create music, which makes us happy cuz it's fun.
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#10
I thought it was funny

I accept both, so what the hell!? I don't get opressed.
#14
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#15
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i click both because i could, i love teh chromatic scale, everything needs rules and guidelines, with out them, there is complete chaos


Why does everything need rules and guidelines?
Do you think art needs rules and guidelines?

I think that if you told a painter there were only certain colours or certain brushes he/she could use then I think you'd be told to go f yourself pretty damn quickly.. why don't musicians show this same integrity towards their art? Could it be that they're brainwashed? Or could it just be that they're lazy and following rules and guidelines is the easy option?
#16
nah man art has no boundaries, don't listen to western theory whores and play whatever you want (I may sound a tad sarcastic, but I'm dead serious here)
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#17
You're on way better drugs than I am.
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#20
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nah man art has no boundaries, don't listen to western theory whores and play whatever you want (I may sound a tad sarcastic, but I'm dead serious here)


I'm all for progression, but the chromatic scale and chromatic music has given me some of the most beautiful music I've ever heard in my life.

Hammer Smashed Face by CC

That's an insane peice of music, so chromatic.

Unless, by chromatic you all mean 8-note music where the octaves are the same, as opposed to eastern music where octaves don't match pitch?
#21
yeah I'm sort of talking about eastern music where there are a lot more notes essentially. I'm a big fan of atonal stuff too.

following the normal rules of harmony yields good stuff, but so does breaking them.
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#22
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Objectivity, rationale and logic are hardly drugs.


You're arguing that his hatred of the chromatic scale is based on objectivity and logic?
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#23
Quote by Kid_Thorazine
yeah I'm sort of talking about eastern music where there are a lot more notes essentially. I'm a big fan of atonal stuff too.

following the normal rules of harmony yields good stuff, but so does breaking them.



Chromatic music is so atonal. Every other note is wrong. This is going by actual music composed by the chromatic scale.

And I agree, I adore Atonal music, Greg Ginn is my biggest influence. He mixed free jazz, punk, and heavy metal.
#25
Quote by teegman

Much like religion, users of the chromatic scale tend to lack intelligence and creativity, and this shows in their work.

So are you saying that every western composer of all time [e.g Beethoven (he used the chromatic scale right?)], lacked intelligence and creativity?

Correct me if I'm wrong there.
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#26
Religion, because the chromatic scale is not factual.
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#28
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Yes, and also my love and respect of music.


Good God.
You can't make that argument while simultaneously believing that music is an art form. If objectivity and logic apply to musical conventions, music is a concrete system based on laws. We're not dealing with reality, we're dealing with subjective experience. The chromatic scale is a single convention and a single approach to music. It is not "oppressive", and certainly can't be compared to doctrines that make statements about natural phenomena.
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#29
Quote by teegman
Which concept do you find to be more backwards and outdated?

Personally, I believe that the chromatic scale's place in contemporary music theory to be extremely debilitating. Much like religion, it lays down a set of rules (notes) which a vast majority of musicians and listeners choose to stick to, in the process vastly crippling the sonic palate available to the creator.

Much like religion, users of the chromatic scale tend to lack intelligence and creativity, and this shows in their work.


At least religion tends to promote good core morals and values, unlike the chromatic scale.


What do you guys/gals think?


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#30
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Good God.
You can't make that argument while simultaneously believing that music is an art form.

why not?

If objectivity and logic apply to musical conventions, music is a concrete system based on laws.

correct.

We're not dealing with reality, we're dealing with subjective experience. The chromatic scale is a single convention and a single approach to music. It is not "oppressive", and certainly can't be compared to doctrines that make statements about natural phenomena.

why not?
#31
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#32
Noone has ever used the chromatic scale as an excuse to torture or kill people. At least, not to the scale that religion has been used as an excuse for those activities.
Also, I'm pretty sure you get less kiddy fiddlers out of music teachers than you do priests.
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#36
Quote by teegman
correct.


So, which genre is the correct one? Since music is a concrete system based on laws, one genre must be superior to all others. Which is it?
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#37
Quote by Archeo Avis
So, which genre is the correct one? Since music is a concrete system based on laws, one genre must be superior to all others. Which is it?


What are you gibbering about?

Here, let me clarify a few things for you:

Quote by wiki def of sound
Music is an art form in which the medium is sound. Elements of music are pitch (which governs melody and harmony), rhythm (and its associated concepts tempo, meter, and articulation), dynamics, structure, and the sonic qualities of timbre and texture.


Music is an art form in which the medium is sound - as sound is nothing more than a waveform, it is bound by the laws of wave physics. Hence music a concrete system based on laws.

The interpretation of these waves (still following their concrete system based on laws, btw), however, is subjective to the listener. Hence it is impossible to label a genre as correct.
#38
Music is an art form in which the medium is sound - as sound is nothing more than a waveform, it is bound by the laws of wave physics. Hence music a concrete system based on laws.

The interpretation of these waves (still following their concrete system based on laws, btw), however, is subjective to the listener. Hence it is impossible to label a genre as correct.


We're not talking about sound, we're talking about structured sound. The chromatic scale is a concept within music theory, which explains conventions within music. We are not talking about physics. Comparing the chromatic scale, a concept created to describe a particular element within the twelve tone system (itself nothing more than a cultural convention regarding the way sound is generally structured), to a doctrine that makes statements about the nature of the Universe and nature, is ridiculous. Music theory is not science, and objectivity and logic have nothing to do with it.
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Last edited by Archeo Avis at Mar 30, 2008,
#40
Quote by Blackholesun00
Chromatics scales are fun, they're great for practice.


The chromatic scale is a twisted and provably false doctrine comparable to religion, apparently.
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